What I Believe: Washington as Dangerous as Brussels

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Ten years ago, I was vehemently pro-American. Like many British Conservatives (I use the capital ‘C’ deliberately, to denote supporters of The Conservative Party), I regarded the United States as almost the ideal society. More importantly, and also like many Conservatives, I regarded any questioning of the Anglo-American alliance as a taboo which was broken only by those whose views were dangerously and irredeemably left-wing. I believed that the main threat to my values came from the quasi-socialist political tradition of the European continent (a subject on which I wrote a book) and that the “Atlantic community” was the right response to, and defence from, that threat.
 
Now, ten years on, I have become completely the opposite. I am a consistent critic of American (and British) foreign policy and I have long since despaired of the Eurosceptic movement in Britain, especially on the Right, which excoriates France for an allegedly servile attitude towards Germany while at the same time demanding that Britain behave with the same servility towards Washington. British Tories say they defend British sovereignty against Brussels but they see nothing wrong in having Britain’s foreign and defence policy subjected entirely to America’s. Indeed, any suggestion that Britain should have an independent military policy, for instance by not belonging to NATO, is regarded as the wildest heresy.
 
The change, for me, began with the bombing of Iraq in December 1998 and was completed by the Kosovo war in 1999. I opposed both operations, partly out of a revulsion for militarism but mainly because the latter war was patently incompatible with the doctrine of national sovereignty. (Indeed, it was deliberately intended to be so.) I quickly came to the conclusion that Washington wanted to create a supra-national New World Order as dangerous for the freedom of nations as the equally supra-national super-structure being set up in Brussels.
 
I also had the opportunity, through my membership of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group (now defunct), to observe political developments throughout the post-Communist world from 1998 onwards. I saw how American political operatives, from the Left and the Right, worked to ensure the victory at elections of their favoured politicians, often at the expense of the popular will and often thereby bringing back to power old Communists or people involved in organised crime. Whether these operations were conducted by the left-wing National Democratic Institute or the right-wing International Republican Institute, they pursued the same policy of doing down patriotic politicians keen to protect their countries’ interests and instead brought to power those who were only too ready to sell them out, usually to American corporate interests. That they pursued the same policies is no surprise: both NDI and IRI and funded by the same government body, the National Endowment for Democracy, which must now count as one of the most professional “regime change” agencies in the history of the world.
 
It was of course Bill Clinton who fought the Kosovo war. But the same policy of aggressive foreign policy has been continued, and massively amplified, by George W. Bush. Where Clinton invoked the (bogus) claims of universal human rights for his wars, Bush invoked U.N. Security Council Resolutions (as his father had done in 1990) to justify his drive for absolute American hegemony in the name of an international system based on a complete confusion between international relations and policing – the “war on terror”. These plans have been amply laid out by politicians on the Left and Right in America, from Zbigniew Brzezinski to Paul Wolfowitz. But, just as each French president is worse than his predecessor, so the Clinton years now seen like a golden age.
 
Have I changed or has the world? To be sure, I have partly changed. Many of my political friends now are on the Left. My book on the Milosevic trial was published by a very left-wing publisher (Pluto Press, the former publishing house of the Socialist Workers’ Party) and the preface was written by the notoriously left-wing former US Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, who has embraced every anti-American cause from the Sandinistas to Saddam Hussein. Ten years ago, this would not have happened.
 
But the change in me is not that I have become left-wing. It is that I have ceased to think (I hope) in terms of taboos. Much of what passes for thought on the Right in Britain is in fact nothing other than the searching out of intellectual tram-lines on which to base one’s views. Opinions are severely hedged around with taboos. If someone is critical of America, for instance, he must be a Marxist. Having defended a number of deeply unpopular causes (especially that of the former Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic) I believe that I can say that my thinking is taboo-free and that I instead analyse matters not tribally but instead on the basis of the facts.
 
The facts, as I see them, is that the cause of conservatism has been decisively abandoned by the Right in Britain, America and elsewhere. The Right in those countries is simply in favour of big business and turbo-capitalism which, as Chesterton said, is simply a way of centralising power (and capital) on a par with Communism. In America, the link to the arms industry is particularly worrying, since of course the arms industry entertains a particularly close relationship with the state. The Right in America under George Bush has become statist both in the sense that it believes in ever greater defence spending, and also in the fact that it bases American national identity on the country’s military in a way reminiscent of Germany-Prussia in the late 19th and early 20th century.
 
Even more profoundly, I am convinced that the neo-conservatism which unites both Bush and Clinton (including Hillary) is a revolutionary creed which has nothing whatever to do with conservatism. I have argued this view at length in The Spectator and The American Conservative. To put it briefly, neo-conservatism is a profoundly revolutionary ideology which betrays all the characteristics I, as a Catholic and a conservative, hate most. It is militaristic and millenarian; it is moralistic and Manichean; it is revolutionary and ruthless. Not only does it have its roots in Trostkyism (Irving Kristol boasted in 1983 that he was still proud of having joined the Fourth International, two years after Trotsky founded it); it remains an overtly revolutionary force with all the potential for wreaking havoc which many other revolutionary movements in history have displayed. Until that ideology is destroyed, until the stranglehold which the military-industrial complex has over the political class in America, and until a counter-weight to American hegemony emerges which permits the re-emergence of a multi-polar world order and the balance of power, the world will never be at peace.

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@ Monarchist

And socialism will save mankind.
You've made strong assertions without proving your points. Pathetic.
 
Moreover, you have not answered my questions, remember. Your clueless assertions just intend to be provocative. It has worked, I concede. At least so far. And I agree with you as regards my lack of judgement. I've just come to realise that you are trying to infuriate me. Sorry, my boy. Speak to my hand now. Your next message to me will be ignored. Byyye. No offense, of course.
BTW: have you heard about the Neo-Conservative Christian Right?
No? See these links then:
http://nccr.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5F8571F504717D9D!1543.entry
http://amnation.com/vfr/archives/000640.html - Jonh Paul II as the Pope of Neo-Conservatism

You will notice that your assumption about Neo-Cons and e.g. homosexuality is a bit flawed to say the least.

PS: what bothers you so much if I am a Neo-Con or not? Who cares? For example, I don't care who you are and what you think.

@Sagunto

Perhaps this is hard to name this properly, Zionism, jewish nationalism or radical pro-Israelite. I seriously doubt whether their policy in middle East will be profitable for Israel in longer run. However I care less about Midlle East...

Real conservatives in Europe have no access to mainstream media outlets, parliaments are filled with parasites whom care less about conservative cause. Beside of that conservatives are mostly concentrated on their own countries and prefer to abandon sticking their noses in somebody else problems.

@Norman

This was proved many times in history that small group of people can effectively control the country.

Actually there is no such thing like "far right", this label was invented by left wing media that you criticize so much yourself.

I would like to see evidence where neocon establishment fought with issues like abortion or homosexuals agenda? This is essence of conservatism and those people stand on the other side of barricade.

I don't even think you are neocon, in my opinion you are very weak political observer, without offense..

Arty

Come on you guys, "John Laugh Land", Joe Clark (joke lark). April Fools Day was over a week ago.

"conservatism is dead"

johnnycanuck said: " Western conservatism is dead"

I don't suppose you are a leftie. If you are not a conservative either, what are you?
Personally, I would define myself as anti-leftist, which is similar to being conservative, except there is now little left to be conserved in the Western world. I would like to recreate society on a human, smaller scale. It means that I am recreative rather than conservative. But one thing that needs to be conserved is the European population. Every former field of effort of the conservative cause is now made irrelevant by the population replacement, and we should concentrate our efforts on opposing it. If you are an environmentalist, it is a waste of time to promote waste recycling: you should promote immigration control. It will be more effective in protecting the environment. If you are an intellectual who regrets the destruction of intellectual life in the Western world, don't lose your time trying to bring culture to the masses, just fight immigration. If you think public morality is going down the tubes, don't preach to the young, fight immigration. If you think your parents' generation spoke better English than your children's generation, stop lamenting and fight immigration. And so on. Unfortunately, the leaders of our conservative institutions would rather say nothing against immigration. In fact, they participate in its organization. That is why they have become irrelevant. The leaders of our conservative institutions now conform to the ideology of the far left. It doesn't mean that "conservatism is dead" among other people, though.

@ Monarchist & JohnnyCanuck

Very briefly (let's try at least):
@Monarchist:
1) Neocons are not a small group of people. Otherwise, Neo-Conservatism would not even bother you.
2) I've never been a Leftist. However, if those Leftists you referred to have become Neo-Conservatives, it means they have managed to abandon marxism for good. They were able to go beyond their Leftist ideology. It is a good thing, which should be welcome. Neo-Conservatism does not belong to the Left. Neo-Conservatism is Conservatism put in practice, that's all.
3) We don't hate Muslims. We hate Muslim violence. Believing in God, I respect their faith in God, not their violence in the name of God. That is the big difference.
4) Patrick Buchanan is no reference at all: that's the American far-right. Sorry. Talk to my hand.
5) Neo-Cons are no longer Leftists. They despise the Left. What you're telling me is: "Once you've said you 're a Leftie, you're supposed to be a Leftie for the rest of life". Come on. 
@Canuck
1) "Ignorance on the Right is obviously a major problem. Neocons have taken control of much of the English-speaking world's 'conservative' press so well-meaning people of the Right often end up being useful idiots for neoconservatism".
Well, I did not know the NYT, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, BBC, NBC, Time Magazine, Newsweek, The Economist, Financial Times, etc, were held by the Neo-Cons. If that's the case, that's good news then. But I don't think so. Where do you buy such rubbish? In China?
2) "Almost all the influential neocons are Jewish ex-communists or, at the very least, ex-liberals, who retain the hostility toward the ethnic majority in their country that made them leftist in the first place".
Sorry for this crass ignorance but I didn't know that GWB, Karl Rove and Rummy were "Jewish ex-communists". But ok, Wolfowitz was. So what? It's never too late to become a decent person (I think about the ex-communists, not the Jews, of course). 
3) "There is no intellectual consistency to their ideology".
This allegation is ludicrous. BTW, is there any consistency in yours? I wonder, mate.
4) "When Westerners want immigration control the neocons call them 'racists, 'nativists', etc, yet they support an ethnically based nationalism for Israel". 
This is simply not true!!! Again, Neo-Conservatism is more sophisticated than you think. You will of course argue to the contrary. But, my friend, I don't care what you think.
5) "If neoconservatives do not believe in national sovereignty and oppose attempts by nations (other than Israel) to preserve its historic population from outside competition then what are they trying to conserve - from a Western perspective?"
This is absolute nonsense. Are you doing this on purpose or what?
6) "Western conservatism is dead".
I agree with you entirely. Western Conservative is dead, because it is not Neo-Conservative. Very simple. Even simplistic. Western Conservatism is dead because the so-called Conservatives have been asleep for too long. Neo-Conservatives are active. Join us, if you want to revive Conservatism.  
Both of you do not like Neo-Cons for sure. It is your most legitimate right. No worries at all. You probably hate us. Fine. Like I 've said above, I don't really care what you think. I don't want to be loved. Now, when you come up with arguments such as those below, well, try to be consistent. This would at least enhance your credibility. I will no longer waste my time  answering your stuff till we get something more "ballish".
As regards the books you've proposed us to read, what a waste of time and money. Pat Buchanan? Anything else?
Thank you.

@Monarchist: Zion rulez!

;-)

Thnx for the reading tip. For good old fashioned info about real conservatism I'd always recommend Burke & Lord Acton. Well, enough from the realo-con bookclub..

I share most of your remarks @Norman, apart from the use of the label "zionist" as an invective. Two things about that:
- I don't think a "pro-zionist" policy adequately describes the core business of the neocon leadership. Moreover, I think other political powers might also qualify for your definition of being "pro-zionist".
- Let me roughly equate your "pro-zionist" with being pro-Israel. If it was established beyond doubt that the neocon agenda really and unequivocally supported Israel, then i.m.o. that would be about the only thing them crypto-leftists got right. But as anyone who reads a newspaper now & then will know, the neocon agenda also supports warm ties with the Saudi "government", state sponsor of Salafism all around the world and not exactly a close friend of the state of Israel.

I regret the fact that strong criticism of the neocon foreign agenda has been - certainly in Europe - the almost exclusive domain of the left. Over here, it fuels cheap, self-righteous anti-Americanism, always the favorite passtime of socialists, and it leaves genuine conservatives with a lot to explain. Why are conservatives so easily put in the Bush-camp by leftists? Where's the European realo-con who is willing to stand up and explain to the misinformed public that international adventurism, trumpeting top-down (United) State planned-democracy is a typical Wilsonian, "progressive", i.e. leftist mode of action?

Anyway, when was it that Hilaire Belloc wrote his evergreen "the Servile State"? About the effect of socialism on capitalism and the disastrous "third way" it would generate? That's the EU we live in, I'm afraid.

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

If you want Turkey to join

If you want Turkey to join the European Union, permanent open borders, and endless wars in the Middle East then neoconservatism is for you!

Norman said: Europe needs an

Norman said: Europe needs an intelligent Right, not pseudo-Conservatives, people who have been contaminated by Leftist ideologies

Yet he also claims to be a neocon!!!

Ignorance on the Right is obviously a major problem. Neocons have taken control of much of the English-speaking world's 'conservative' press so well-meaning people of the Right often end up being useful idiots for neoconservatism.

Almost all the influential neocons are Jewish ex-communists or, at the very least, ex-liberals, who retain the hostility toward the ethnic majority in their country that made them leftist in the first place. But it is crystal clear that neocons are primarily motivated by their ethnocentric worldview. (Look up why the elder Kristol and Podhoretz split from communism and why the middle aged neocons split from American liberalism. It had nothing to do with communist atrocities or Leftist hatred of the West).

There is no intellectual consistency to their ideology. When Westerners want immigration control the neocons call them 'racists, 'nativists', etc, yet they support an ethnically based nationalism for Israel. When Serbia offends the so-called international community Bill Kristol says the US might have to 'crush Serb skulls' but when Israel is equally guilty of offending international opinion (ie. defending itself) the Kristols of the world want the US to support the most hardline pro-Israel response. As many long time conservatives have found out you can disagree with neocons on many issues and remain 'respectable in their eyes but if you go off the reservation on Israel or America as a proposition rather than an actual nation you become their sworn enemies forever more. Anyone subscriber to conservative journals who has observed them as long as I have - about 20 years - knows all this, but most conservatives get their news in soundbites from neocon influenced media sources.

Western conservatism is dead. If neoconservatives do not believe in national sovereignty and oppose attempts by nations (other than Israel) to preserve its historic population from outside competition then what are they trying to conserve - from a Western perspective?

@Sagunto I would add

@Sagunto

I would add another book to read for neocon supporters, "Where the right went wrong" by Pat Buchanan, he pretty well exposing neocon agenda.

@Norman

You mentioned some conservative values that I care about however what you write have nothing do do with those people. Sagunto rightfully pointed out Marxist origin of neocons. Buchanan in his book describe necons as a small group of people on the top, ordinary people are not neocons. I agree with such view. Some ordinary people who share conservative values are simply so blinded with their hate to Muslims and the left that they fail to notice that neocons are leftists themselves. The US slowly introduces European socialists solutions like "free" health care, public schools or IRS. When Pat Buchanan tried to win Republican nomination,a neocon Irving Kristol lectured him that "ideological wars ended and the left won". Neocons are at war because of their radical pro-zionist agenda and influential lobbies supporting this business. Promoting democracy in Iraq is a crime! Those people will elect Jihadists sooner or later.

@mcfrans

Mr Laughland is anti-American? I cannot believe that you believe what you write, even majority (accept this Mr democrat!) of American dislike neocons.

About Europe filled with democrats I meant people in particular not politicians. Correct me if I'm wrong, in democracy bad politicians are removed by voters and the new better replace them. If this is not the case this mean either majority of Europeans are Marxists or honest idiots in the best case. Both answer disqualify them from having any influence on state politics and this is what I support.

Please no more...

If Mr. Laughland decides to break a few more "taboos", I don't want to know it.  Next article will probably be about how he traded in his wife of 25 years for a newer model.
 
 
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

Washington/Brussels

There is a legitimate sense of the repudiation of Conservatism these days that is lamentable, indeed.  One can also say, with some degree of truth that left-wing liberal corporate types are just as bad as right wing corporate types.  Everyone should know that Corporations will sell their grandmothers if it were profitable.  Left and right are identical, here.  This is economics 101, it is really elementary and not-at-all surprising.  Authentic Christian theology is not pacifistic. Neither Roman nor Orthodox, Reformed or Anglican eschew violence totally.  In fact, defensive wars...like the Crusades, are considered a sacred duty.  Then again, if one equivocates between Christianity and Islam...it is easy to see how one would do so with respect to Washington and Brussels, and how easy it would be to lose sight of the over-arching struggle between Good and evil.  Nevertheless, when Brussels actually invades Iran, Lebanon, or the Magreb, instead of pillaging and decimating their own population, THEN you can suggest that Brussels ascends to the level of a lonely Washington.  America does things...Brussels  restrains.   The best thing that could occur is the liberation of Europe by an American Invasion...while there still are a few Americans left.   

@ Sagunto

Thanks for these enlightened references.
As regards pro-war Catholics, you must understand two things.
First, the Church, with all her flaws, will always be against any wars because she is the depository of the Message.
Second, Catholics like me are not martyrs. I am not pro-war. I dislike war, but think that President Bush made the right decision because there was a job to do after all those wasted years of unnecessary appeasement. The West negotiated with Saddam for 12 years of quasi-angelical patience (or blindness?), to no avail.
The West is now defending itself and its interests. The West, at least the US, is dotting the "I"s at long last. What's wrong with that? We were attacked first.
Even those countries which opposed this conflict in Iraaaaak, such as France, were attacked several times well before both Irak wars. Remember the eighties.
Now Mr Sagunto the Moralist, just pay a visit to these sites and/or articles:
www.thereligionofpeace.com - full list of terror attacks perpetrated by the religion of peace freaks around the world since September 2001. This list is updated on a daily basis!
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=1386949#http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/iraq_al_qaida_ties/2008/03/20/81851.html
Your intellectual blackmail on pro-war Catholics does not work with me, sorry.
Anything else?
 
 
 

Kosovo

Attributing the Kosovo war to a global U.S. strategy is exceptionally odd. Clinton was pushed into that military campaign by Blair and other European leaders, who saw the need for military action but, of course, lacked the ability and the will to carry it out themselves. It was Europe that would have faced yet another wave of Yugoslavian refugees if NATO hadn't acted. America's interests in Kosovo were minimal and remain so.

Mr. Laughland's Self Indulgence

"Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice."  - GK Chesterton.
 
 
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

Look in the mirror....

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who don't do anything about it."  --Albert Einstein

It's the corruption and impotence of UN and EU leaders that put us all at risk more than anything else.

Thnx NC 304: yes! reading stuff..

Hey that's nice: reading suggestions.

Here's one for you: "The Betrayal of the American Right" by Murray N. Rothbard

And another rather nice one from Thomas Woods Jr.:
Making Sense of Pro-War Catholics

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

@ Sagunto - Neo-Conservatism is anti-free market?

Compared with traditional conservatism and libertarianism, which may be non-interventionist, neoconservatism not only emphasises defence capability, challenging regimes hostile to the values and interests of the United States, but also presses for free-market policies abroad.
Neoconservatives also believe in democratic peace theory and the proposition that democracies never or hardly ever go to war with one another.
So what is so wrong with that?
As regards Jonah Goldberg, he's responsible for his own words after all. He's just a journalist and we don't like him anyway. As regards other remarks, just read "The Cube & the Cathedral" by George Weigel. It's all about relativism. Very interesting. Even captivating. This book strengthened my belief in Neo-Conservatism (NC = Norman Conquest).

@NC 304: just ask and ye shall receive..

"..The author of the text you've posted here quotes Jonah Goldberg but fails to provide any link to what Goldberg really said or wrote. It's a bit easy to tell readers that it comes from the National Review.."

Well, if you're unfamiliar with the writings of Goldberg, just send an email to Thomas Woods and ask him (he usually replies to relevant questions).

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

Unhinged

Just as Mr Laughland was "vehemently pro-American ten years ago", so he is now vehemently anti-American.   It is in that word "vehement" that one can see a hint of his biggest problem: a lack of emotional and intellectual 'balance' and of sceptical caution.  He is the sort of ideologue who tends to join 'causes', but does not appear to adhere to genuine principles. Hence, the rather senseless namecalling  (Hillary is supposedly a "neoconservative"? She would be shocked to read that!) and the meaningless charges (like "Britain's foreign and defense policies subjected ENTIRELY to America's", or Washington is supposed to want a "supra-national New World Order", etc...).  There are numerous, even countless, observations that contradict such ridiculous charges, but Laughland takes them to be 'true'. 

Norman Conquest has presented a link to a rather difficult (and lengthy) article written by Robert Kagan, which should help clear up some of Mr Laughland's confusions about the term "neoconservative".  In Kagan one can find that awesome combination of both great historical insight and mental backbone, both of which are lacking in Laughland.  He may think that his thinking is "taboo-free", but anyone who can write such utter nonsense - like "each French President is worse than his predecessor" - is certainly not taboo-free.  And, anybody who 'allows' a foreword (in his book) by a perverse self-hater like Ramsey Clark, certainly can not take on the mantle of the "doctrine of national sovereignty".  Finally, if Mr Laughland naively thinks that " a multipolar world" would advance the genuine universality of "human rights" or the cause of sovereignty around the world, he obviously has learned little-to-nothing from the specific history of the United Nations, and more broadly from world history over the past 2 centuries. 
 

@Sagunto

The author of the text you've posted here quotes Jonah Goldberg but fails to provide any link to what Goldberg really said or wrote. It's a bit easy to tell readers that it comes from the National Review.  
Moreover, Conservatives do not have the monopoly of Conservatism. There are several types of Conservatism: social Conservatism, libertarian Conservatism, paleo-Conservatism, even Liberal Conservatism, etc.

@ Monarchist

I think to have answered your question.
I don't have much time to deal with this at length. Actually, your question is a non-question. It would be like asking: "why are you (still) a Christian?" or "why do you love your children?".
These things are part of you or aren't. What I like most about Neo-Conservatism is its great sense and awareness of the values I care for. 
Neo-Conservatism is much more sophisticated than you may think. You may laugh at this, so what? I haven't said that you must share the same views. It's not the point and I don't care anyway.
Now, why are Neo-Cons real Conservatives? Because, for example, we are not afraid of promoting these values in our own lives and we call a cat a cat and a terrorist a terrorist even if he's a Muslim. No bullshit.
We are Conservatives because we are pro-life, we are for small government. We really are. No lip service. Of course, one may argue that this Administration has not really promoted small government. This is more or less true but there were legitimate reasons for this.
Now, if Americans complain about some of this Administration's big government policies, they will definitely not enjoy what the next Democrat administration (if a Democrat is elected) has in store for them. 
Neo-Conservatism is also very pragmatic. This usually passes for arrogance.
Now answer me: what don't you like about Neo-Cons? Apart from the slogans you've been brainwashed with, what is so disgusting about us? What should a real Conservative be in your view then? I am not really interested in your points, whether they are right or wrong. I just want to read what you will write and how you will put it. Don't be too long and please avoid slogans.
 

@Monarchist: Who's Conservative?

"..Those pseudo-conservatives know very well that they are not conservative. Those American neocons are the same, just they care about their own personal business even better. What is really conservative about neocons?.."

Good question, I agree with the point you're making.

I.m.o., equating neocons with conservatives is to know nothing much about real conservatism or to forget everything about it.

Several neocons have stated more than once that they are leftists at heart, like the following quote from Podhoretz: "We didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left us". In my opinion, todays neoconservatism is chiefly about big - anti-free market - corporate capitalism looking after it's own interests. It's about oligarchic "empire". The "Revolt of the Elites" all over again.

Also for some of the Catholics amongst us, here's an interesting link (Thomas Woods, author of "How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization"): Who's Conservative?

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sagunto

@Norman

Yes mainstream media is everything I care about, they love me too... They are well known monarchy sympathizers, you cannot deny this...

Seriously if your post would be that long and you would bother to answer to this simple question "What is really conservative about neocons" then I would be satisfied. Actually I start to think that you don't know how to answer. Leftists started many nonessential wars, it makes them conservative? It must be something more, please show me their conservatism...

@ Monarchist

Well, you are blaming others for your own turpitudes, dear. "They're all the same eventually". Well, that is exactly the usual conclusion one gets when people run out of arguments, mate. But, no, they're not all the same.
You want to argue. What's the point? Be happy, you have all the mainstream media with you. You've been brainwashed and formatted to be a good little soldier of political correctness. 
What do you want to tell me by "Those American neocons are the same, just they care about their own personal business even better. What is really conservative about neocons?" Concretely, what's the substance?
So please continue reading your stuff and listening to your favourite radio station.
Don't worry, be happy. You're a good guy. Isn't that ok, baby?
Now put on your crown and go to bed, monarchist. Your queen is waiting for you. 
     

Those pseudo-conservatives

Those pseudo-conservatives know very well that they are not conservative. Those American neocons are the same, just they care about their own personal business even better. What is really conservative about neocons?

@ Monarchist

I like everything in Neo-Conservativism, because it corresponds to my temperament. I think I've always been like that, even before the word was coined. So what? I've said I am a Catholic. Yes. Not a martyr.
You don't like the war in Irak. So what, dear? Neither do I. Who likes wars? I mean, what is the problem with you, guys? What do we do with the Oil for Food scandal? Where were you? Strange we did not hear your voice, Mr "Peace"? 
What do we do with the UN? What do we do about Saddam's WMD programs? "Nothing was found". "There was no link between Al Qaeda and Saddam". Well, are you so sure?
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=1386949#
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/iraq_al_qaida_ties/2008/03/20/81851.html
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=-vefD3WSiis
I think that the newspapers dominated in their vast majority by leftist propagandists have won by and large. The news about the US President, his administration and even his country is completely biased: it is one-sided. Where are the interviews of GWB? Strange that the European media never interview him, don't you think? The guy is an idiot and that's it.
You should have watched all the reports about Comrade Castro's recent retirement on CNN and the like. If I had not been anti-Communist, I would have had tears in my eyes. Jeez, the poor old man who fought for freedom and justice in the world.
By the way, the same can be said about the current turmoil in Tibet. Why all the anti-Chinese demonstrations? I mean, who cares about Tibet? I am not pro-Chinese, but it is strange to see anti-Chinese demonstrations, now China has joined the club of "dirty" capitalistic (Jeez!!!) nations. That's the real point. Who cares about Tibet?
         

NEO-CONSERVATISM IN EUROPE

Europe needs an intelligent Right, not pseudo-Conservatives, people who have been contaminated by Leftist ideologies. They think they are Conservatives. But they're not. Look at those EU politicians who try to pass for Righties. They're just nightmarish appeasers! That's where the real danger is. If Neo-Conservatism is perceived as aggressive, it's their fault. Mistakes sometimes need to be corrected...before it's too late.  

@Norman

My question was apparently wrong, I should ask you what you like in neo-conservatism. I don't criticize if I'm ignorant about something. This is how I see neo-conservatism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MzdYEU0fig

My vision of monarchy is close (not exact!) to today's duty of Liechtenstein.

@ Monarchist - Definition of Neo-Conservatism

Lots of people are Neo-Cons without even knowing they are.
Now if you want a definition of Neo-Conservatism, go to wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_and_paleoconservatism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
What is Neo-Conservatism for you?
You've asked a question. Fine. I feel you're hostile. This means that by asking this you're trying to criticise a philosophy that you don't understand. Usually, ignorant people tend to dislike what they don't understand.   
And oh, by the way, how do you define monarchism? Napoleon? The Russian Tsars? The Kings of England? Hum?  

@Norman

How do you define neo-conservatism?

AMERICA, THE NEO-CON NATION

Dear Mr Laughland,
I am a Catholic myself. Nevertheless, I am also a Neo-Conservative and have never been a Communist.
Ten years ago, I was the opposite of who you were: British Conservatives have never been my cuppa tea. 
Ten years on, I again find myself to be the opposite of who you are. With Conservatives like you, Conservatism is doomed. But I am not blaming you.
Why Neo-Conservatism? Because mainstream Conservatism has been asleep for too long. It has accommodated the Left for too long. Below, there is a link to a text recently published. It'll provide you with more on Neo-Conservatism. The world is not a friendly place, my friend. 
My objective is not to convince you. My impression is that you've just surrendered to your local anti-right propaganda. I don't know. Anyway, thank you for your interesting reflection. I don't know whether I am right or wrong or whether you're right or wrong. The only thing is that I find Neo-Conservatism very appealing because it makes a lot of sense to me. Conservatism doesn't. Socialism doesn't.
Now my question to you is: what is Conservatism in your view or what should it be? Is it what we, Neo-Cons, define as Paleo-Conservatism?
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/Spring-2008/full-neocon.html
This text is a bit long, but definitely worth it.

London most dangerous of all

" What I Believe: Washington as Dangerous as Brussels"

Of all the capitals, I think London is the most dangerous.

" I believed that the main threat to my values came from the quasi-socialist political tradition of the European continent"

When in fact, it came from London.

" I quickly came to the conclusion that Washington wanted to create a supra-national New World Order as dangerous for the freedom of nations as the equally supra-national super-structure being set up in Brussels."

What about the supra-national tentacular government in London? It is engaged in the destruction of very old European nations: England, Wales, Scotland... and Cornwall ! The natives are simply replaced by immigrants, and the few remaining ones are brainwashed by the BBC.

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I don't think Britain needs to have its own independent military policy. You should simply stay out of trouble when possible (= you should say 'no' to the US Prez).

On the domestic front, I don't understand the need to blame either Brussels or Washington, when the main culprit is London. Who is responsible for all the leftism in Britain? And who is responsible for the breakdown of British society? According to most British people, it is immigration. Now, who decided to replace the native population with immigrants? It was the British government. It wasn't Brussels or Washington.

See yesterday's Daily Mail: " Immigration is also considered by the British to be the biggest factor behind societal breakdown over the past decade. " (Source)

" The facts, as I see them, is that the cause of conservatism has been decisively abandoned by the Right in Britain, America and elsewhere."

The media, political parties, and public institutions have gradually replaced real conservatives with strawmen who are conservatives in name only. There are still conservatives around but not in the top positions of any institution.

" until a counter-weight to American hegemony emerges which permits the re-emergence of a multi-polar world order and the balance of power, the world will never be at peace."

1) I don't think we should care what the US army is doing in Iraq. They are mostly squandering their money. But it is Arabs who do most of the vicious killing (between themselves).
2) When the Chinese army becomes as powerful as the US army, we won't be safer.

why conservatives fail

Did you ask yourself why conservatives always complain? Because by definition they always want to conserve the world, but the world is chaning. Thus conservatives always loose. In addition, nobody wants to hear complaints. Everyone prefers to hear a call for action. But conservatives cannot call for action because any action would change the world, and they don't want it. And if you don't say anything, and don't call for anything, your political rival will do, and he will win the attention and win politically.

Therefore, even if you want to keep the world in some ideal state, you must actively push towards this state. But that is of course a revolutionary strategy.