America is Not Iran, Get Over it

The moral bankruptcy of the Left  – epitomized by its backing of Islamic dictators and extremists over moderate Muslims – saw it defeated across Europe in recent EU elections. From what I read yesterday, the Huffington Post, and American liberals, might want to take a lesson from that.

In one op-ed piece, Frank Schaeffer tells us that “the real lesson of Iran” actually has nothing to do with Iran, and everything to do with American conservatives.  Neoconservatives and the religious-Right are – so we’re told – trying their best to establish a Christian, pro-Israel dictatorship, replete with Old Testament law.

According to Schaeffer, Republican “hypocrites” would introduce “capital punishment […] to punish a variety of crimes including being gay.” It would also ban “gay men and women from serving in the military” (when they’re not being executed, of course). And would roll back “civil rights for blacks, women, gays [again], [and] unions […]” And “Gay men and women would be hounded and if they were murdered [rather than being officially executed] there would be leaders saying they had it coming.” And this from a man who says Republicans talk “crazy.”

There are plenty of other colorful accusations here. Republicans would initiate “a neoconservative led and religious right backed holy war against Islam,” though this never happened under the Bush administration, who always made it perfectly clear that the “war on terror” was a war against “Islamofascists,” not moderate Muslims. For example, in 2005, president Bush said this:

Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism. Whatever it's called, this ideology is very different from the religion of Islam. This form of radicalism exploits Islam to serve a violent, political vision: the establishment, by terrorism and subversion and insurgency, of a totalitarian empire that denies all political and religious freedom. These extremists distort the idea of jihad into a call for terrorist murder against Christians and Jews and Hindus – and also against Muslims [my italics] from other traditions, who they regard as heretics.

Nevertheless, Huffington Post’s psychobabble expert RJ Eskow, diagnoses “narcissistic frenzy” and “contradictions” in the “’clash of civilizations’ crowd” (that would be you and me).
 
“Why, Eskow wonders, “are the people who've been insisting there's a monolithic evil called ‘Islamofascism’ suddenly backing one Iranian faction over another?”
 
Well, its because not every Iranian is an Islamofascist. And not every government, candidate, or leader is the same – that’s why we, and they, have elections. That’s right. It’s not all relative.
 
But let’s take a step back.

 
The Bush administration – and “the coalition of the willing” – invaded Afghanistan after the attacks on New York and Washington in 2001, and, later, Iraq, replacing the governments of both countries.
 
The government of Afghanistan – though very far from perfect – is now more moderate (or less extreme) than the previous Taliban dictatorship. Girls can get an education, instead of being murdered for wanting to achieve. And women can protest, instead of being the mere mute property of their male relatives. But, no, it’s not perfect because, yes, Taliban remnants (or Islamofascists) still exercise some influence, and still attack little girls that want an education and a better life.
 
And, yes, it’s still a patriarchal and ultra-traditional society. Neither café latte nor cultural relativism are in big demand yet. But then maybe Afghans just aren’t as sophisticated and as smart as America’s “liberals”.
 
Then there’s Iraq’s government. Like the Afghanistan government, it’s essentially Muslim. And we back it as well. There have been elections since the Iraqi dictatorship was toppled. And given a choice between a government that might help usher in a stable democracy, and a dictator like that of Saddam Hussein, who ordered the torture of civilians (including with a human “meat grinder”), who ordered the poison gas attack on civilians at the city of Halabja, killing thousands, and who used mass rape as a weapon of control, then we should back the former and oppose the latter. Or am I just talking all “crazy”?
 
Back to Iran. Unlike the US, Mr. Schaeffer, it actually does execute homosexuals – by hanging – for being homosexual. It also sentences people to death by stoning. For example nine illiterate people (eight women and one man) convicted without proper trial in 2008. Or the two sisters convicted of adultery – also stoned to death last year. Then there’s the murder of political prisoners. The imprisonment of foreign reporters, such as Roxana Saberi. And the morality police who routinely arrest women for wearing clothes that backward clerical fascists deem too fashionable, too Western, or too attractive.
 
And Mr. Eskow, you might really believe that Obama’s robotic yet fluffy statements about the Iranian protests “[…] went as far as they could wisely go,” even if “opportunists and fantasists will both say it wasn't enough.” But, personally, I’m with Joshua Muravchik, who said in Commentary, that Obama’s “Failure to use the bully pulpit to give the Iranian people as much support as possible is morally reprehensible and a strategical blunder for which he will not be forgiven.”
 
I’m not suggesting that we bomb Iran, or do anything neoconish or “crazy.” But those “opportunists and fantasists,” Mr. Eskow, include the Iranian protestors risking their lives, fighting for the chance of democracy, and for the little things that Westerners take for granted, such as being able to wear what they want to wear without being arrested. And if they can’t count on us to stand up and to articulate why they’re right, and why we support them unequivocally, then shame on us.
 
(For up-to-the-minute info on the democracy movement in Iran, check out Anonymous Iran, Iranbaan and TehranBureau.)



Re: First Priority

I mean that the first priority of the office of POTUS is foreign policy. Obviously, it's not one that Obama cares for. Actually, I read an article a few months ago that someone from the WH said that Obama is averse to dealing with foreign policy, and that he dislikes protocol.

You're more circumspect than I am. But I fear that in four years I will be proven correct in my assessment.

cheap words # 2

@ Atheling

I had never heard of the expression "golden calf" to refer to Obama, but it seems an appropriate one for the moment (particularly as it relates to the media), and it is understandable to anyone with some acquantance with bibilical language. 

If Obama is so busy with domestic socialist policies, how can you claim that foreign policy is his first priority?  I suspect the word "not" is missing in your text.

I think that it is much too early to declare him the "worst US President in history", just like it is too early for lefties (and for many conservatives too) to hang that label on GWBush.  People tend to attach excessive 'weight' to the present, relative to the past and the future. And that is understandable. For Obama, much will depend on circumstances.   They can help make a President great, and they can also destroy him and in the process do great damage to his country.  But, I agree, that the early 'signs' are very bad today, and Obama may well earn that title of worst President over time.   As always, in a democray, the people 'deserve' the politicians they get.  If they couldn't see the bad 'signs' (about Obama) before they elected him, it is not surprising that it will take a lot of time before they will be able to see the damage that he is doing to his country, to the free world, and to the aspiring-free world.  Today, it is a time for totalitarians and racists around the world to rejoice, once again, and the bill for that calamity of their advance, wil be paid by all of us.  

@marcfrans

I am much more interested in learning about concrete actions, if any, that he plans to take to stop nuclear proliferation to the ayathollah regime.

I am interested too, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. I don't think the Golden Calf plans to stop nuclear proliferation, nor does he have any interest in doing so. He is far more concerned with foisting socialist domestic policies on us than dealing with his first priority, which is foreign policy.

I do believe that he will go down in history as the worst president in US history - hopefully he will serve only one term.

cheap words

@ Atheling

I started off by saying that I would have liked your four things too and, yes I think that withdrawing such an invitation is not a very meaningful action and amounts to not much more than "cheap words".  I agree with you that the invitation should never have been extended in the first place, given the absence of diplomatic relations between the US and Iran and given the vitriol that is regularly (at least every Friday at 'Friday Prayers') coming from the theocratic regime.  I also think that there will be quite a number of diplomats in attendance on July 4 from other similarly unsavory regimes in the world with which (whom?) the US does have diplomatic relations, beginning with representatives from the Putin-autocracy and the Chinese Politbureau, and from there on downwards.

I fully agree with the 2 sentiments expressed in your second paragraph, but I also believe that 'the world' is already quite aware of the American people's "disapproval" of the thuggery in Iran.  This does not mean that the world generally would care much about American disapproval of anything. On the contrary, the more the US government verbally condemns foreign governments, the more sympathy they tend to get from other foreign governments.  

Foreign governments most often don't like US governments (long story), but they do fear and in that sense 'respect' strong US Presidents.   In the case of 'weak' presidents (like Carter and Obama) that fear is wholly absent abroad.  Hence, Obama's belated verbal 'condemnations' are unlikely to count for much.  

While I do not object to Obama's verbal condemnations of the Iranian authorities, I am much more interested in learning about concrete actions, if any, that he plans to take to stop nuclear proliferation to the ayathollah regime.   

re: Cheap Words

@marcfrans:

So you think withdrawal of the absurd "hot dog" invitation from the State Dept. is merely "cheap words"? What if the invitation had stood? Wouldn't it constitute complicity with the Iranian government by recognizing their legitimacy? It's bad enough that it stood for days, and the silly invitation should never have been extended in the first place, but at least a withdrawal indicates disapproval.

Condemnation of the current, illegitimate regime does not automatically mean we are propping up another one, but what we should be condemning is the violence and murder of Iranian citizens who are protesting the fraudulent election. That's a principle - one that America has stood for in the past, but apparently no more.

mpresley # 2

@ Atheling

I would have liked your four things too.  But, let's recognise it: the first three amount to cheap words.  They are not meaningful actions.  And the fourth is not going to happen, because it would expose the fallacy and hypocrisy of the 'worldview' which helped to get Obama elected.  It may happen in the end, but, first, things will have to get much worse in Iran.

Mpresley makes a lot of sense in his commentary and caution is warranted.  The other day I was watching (on C-span) the press conference given by the son of the former shah in Washington.  And one of the Iranian (-American?) questioners was implying that he should be wary with his 'opposition' to the current Iranian regime because he would/could be acting on behalf of "foreign interests" .  Reza Pahlavi dealt deftly with the question, never mentioned the US, but it shows you how paranoid many Iranians in the West still live in the past, how blind they can be to current realities (including to American generosity towards them), and how much they are brainwashed by the leftist western media.      
 

@mpresley

You keep on asking the same question.  Here's what I would have liked:
1.  An immediate, wholesale condemnation of the Iranian government's violence against its protesting citizens;
2.  A withdrawal of the State Dept.'s ridiculous and juvenile invitation to the July 4th hot dog barbeque to Iranian diplomats (which has been rescinded as of today, probably in light of the harsh criticism it has garnered - and on which you have been silent);
3.  Threat of expelling Iranian diplomats from the US (and a withdrawal of our own in Tehran); and,
4. A refusal to engage in any "dialogue" with the current government of Iran.
How about them apples? 

again, what is wanted?

I’m not suggesting that we bomb Iran, or do anything neoconish or “crazy.”Then what are you suggesting, other than "standing up and supporting them unequivocally?"  What could your statement mean?

I still do not understand exactly who "them" are, and it is not clear to me exactly what we are supposed to be supporting, in all of this.  Is this really a push for democracy, or is it simply something else?   Could this just be trading one bad situation for another?

It seems to me that, more than anything, people in the US are frustrated, and feeling powerless that things are not going their way.  They more or less recognize the evil nature of the current Iranian regime, and simply hope that change, any change, will turn out better than what came before.  This is really an Obamaesque mindset exhibited by conservatives who would never consider their behavior similar to those who actually supported and voted for him.

As far as our domestic protesters go, I have no sympathy for them.  They abandon their former country, not wishing to stay and fight for change, but then use their newfound "freedom" to agitate against the old.  In my view they have lost the moral ground.  Why should I, or anyone else for that matter, take these people seriously?  They forsake the home-land, the mother country, but act like they are still Iranian citizens with an axe to grind now that they are safe and sound, out of harms way.

I remember during the Revolution when Iranian students in our universities "protested" against the Shah, and US support for the old regime.  I thought, if it is so important to them, why not give up their student visas and take part in the new government?  It never happened, or if it did, it was on a small scale.

Then I recall, during the Iraq-Iran war, similar protests in our streets decrying US support for Saddam.  I thought, why not walk the walk, go back to Iran, and fight for what you believe in? 

Today, in our cities, we have Iranian-Americans agitating for some kind of action, but like many commenting here, they are not particularly explicit in what they want.  A lot of slogans, but nothing concrete.  Again, in my estimation, these Iranian expats have no moral standing, given their abandonment of their beloved country.  What is worse, their actions do not appear to have their new homeland's interests first and formost.  Like so many immigrants, they are Americans second, and wherever they came from, first.     

Lesson? We don't need no stinkin' lesson!

I hate using psychobabble, but, "Projection, they name is the American Left" applies.
I overheard some lefties talking about how the "fascist" Rush Limbaugh deserves to be imprisoned for his "hatefulness". 
They were completely oblivious to the irony of their opinion.
 

Neda, in Farsi, means "the voice"...

I was under the distinct impression that the voice of the American Left, Supreme Leader, Barack Obama, had already removed this half-sold duck from the political menu when he told them that this tired strategy of using old tensions to scapegoat others won't work anymore, and that this is NOT about the United States and the West, it is about the people of Iran and the future that they - Islamic, or post Islamic (i.e. Huffingtonian liberal)  - will choose.