The Islamization of Europe: Vicar Sacrifices Himself. Others Sacrifice Others

On Tuesday a Lutheran vicar set himself alight in the German town of Erfurt. The 73 year old Roland Weisselberg poured gasoline over himself and set fire to himself in the Erfurt monastery, where Martin Luther took his monastic vows in 1505. Tuesday was a national holiday in parts of Germany to celebrate the Protestant Reformation. Bystanders rushed to extinguish the flames. Weisselberg later died of his injuries.

In a farewell letter to his wife the vicar wrote that he was setting himself on fire to warn against the danger of the Islamization of Europe. During the past four years the vicar had frequently expressed his concern about the expansion of Islam, urging the Lutheran Church to take this issue seriously. As the fire started the vicar cried: “Jesus and Oskar!” Oskar Brüsewitz was a 47-year old German vicar who died after setting himself on fire 30 years ago, on 18 August 1976, in the market square of the German town of Zeitz in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany. Both Erfurt and Zeitz are situated in the former East German province of Saxony.

Axel Noack, the Lutheran Bishop of Saxony, said he is shocked by the tragic event in Erfurt. Bishop Noack emphasized that the motive for the suicide complicates matters. He said he hopes that the affair and the question of how Christians should relate to Muslims will not lead to unrest. The Bishop emphasized that Christians reject a culture war. “Fear of other cultures is the result of our own insecurity,” he said, adding that since there are not many Muslims in what was once East Germany, there is not much of a debate about Islam there.

Another famous case of self-immolation in Europe was that of Jan Palach, a Czech student who sacrificed his life in Prague in 1969 to protest the Communist occupation of his country.

While some set themself alight others in contemporary Europe sacrifice others. Last Saturday Mama Galledou, a 26-year old Senegalese medical student, suffered severe burns in an arson attack by Muslim thugs, a.k.a. “youths,” on a public transport bus in the French city of Marseille. Muslim thugs have torched eight buses in France during the past days. They hijack the vehicles and empty jerrycans of gasoline into them. Sometimes they allow the passengers to get off first, sometimes they do not.

That's odd

"Before 1970 Denmark had almost no foreign immigrants."

That's odd. The entire population of the UK is either foreign immigrants or descended from them. Quite a few came from Denmark. Do you want them back?

You can do your mad sums till the end of time, but if you base your assessments on views of volk, kinder, race, tribe and all the rest of it you'll never come to any sensible conclusion.

Bob Doney

Eurabia - Europe's Future? :

“Europe is undergoing two profound changes. The first is the weakening of Christianity. The second is demographic decline. Presently, across Europe, there are only two-thirds the number of children born necessary to sustain the population. The consequent drop in population has mostly been made good by immigration of Muslims. The fast-growing Muslim population is generally not integrated into the host societies nor politically acculturated to its norms. To the contrary, radical Islamic movements are gaining in strength among these émigré populations. In addition, European governments, especially the French, have developed foreign policies aimed at winning the favor of Middle Eastern regimes…”

lilliput-information comments: Etnic fertility in Europe (1-1.2 child a woman) is half of what it is needed to secure stable populations. The reason is simply found in the ideological tax-based welfare-systems invented by the elite for the elite. The 15-18 p.c. immigrants from muslim dominated areas (inclusive naturalized and their children) have a fertility of about 3.5 in average resulting in a total fertility of about 1.5 in all the 25 EU member states. The problem is that the immigrants consume 40 p.c. of welfare resources, as they claim welfare more than 3 times as often than Europeans compared with the percentage of individuals in Denmark, for example, compare the Danish Welfare Commission, November 2005.

Sources: and page 16

J. E. Vig, Denmark,

Our European Demographic Future - interested, its easy?

This information is certainly not based on the newest sources. But that is our situation. As you may have noticed the schedule has not changed significantly. We have to do everything ourselves without any contributions from 99.5 p.c. of the population that obviously want their families to die out in order for others to take their places.
It is not that we assume you are incapable of simple mathematics, it is only that we are not sure that you recently have done the following calculation.
You should, however, do it. So, please, do correct and comment ours - i.e., give us the benefit of your views.
This is based on the newest (2003) statistics from EU’s statistical office (figures in bracketts are from other sources, such as Fischer Almanach 2002-2004), supposedly produced in the pauses between the successful embezzlement of our tax payers’ money. This press on their schedule may explain that these data are not free from contradictions, but totally free from any reasonable clues. We have to add conclusions ourselves. Here our humble contribution. (To my (Michael Koch:) knowledge, hitherto only Morten Rasmussen December 1st. 2003, Kristeligt Dagblad in Denmark, and some more Danish population scientists like P. C. Matthiessen and private persons (J. E. Vig et al.) have taken notice of this issue - for some years - which should be of interest to every European citizen.)...
Read further the astonishing figures that is not published anywhere else on :

J. E. Vig & Michael Koch, Denmark, Sweden respectively

Causal-interpretation nearly left

Causal-interpretation nearly left – except when it fit into the ideology

that is politically correct - and a spendid supplement

The big jump in the economic and political science of society happens at the transition from the phase, where you can or can not explain and foresee the behavior of the human being to the managed influence on behavior, watching and control. The corresponding model of the explanation and forecasting of the human being suites the underlying so-called empirism later on positivism, which model-apparatus uses the model of causal-interpretation that needs the past to explain the presence and the future. The experience, the past and also the cause are not acknowledged, and this is perhaps quite legitimately to maintain, when models show themselves not to apply to the outside world, even if you have made an effort with all possible interpretations, especially those in symbols of mathematical language.
Read further:

J. E. Vig

@ Joern

"You are something wrong you are not, when you write something wrong – politically incorrectness – and you really have to understand this."

I'm sorry. I don't understand this at all. What has this to do with the thread?


Sorry, I miss a full stop or a period. Has been corrected.

A tribute to Mark Steyn

“November 8, 2006

The New Appeasement by Victor Davis Hanson The New Criterion A review of Mark Steyn’s America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It. (Regnery, 2006, 256 pp.) The wider English-reading public discovered the genius of Mark Steyn after September 11, and for two reasons other than the fact that his amazing prolificacy did not come at the expense of quality…..”

Sonia & Joern

The Real Reason the West is in Danger of Extinction

You are not

Mark Steyn does not write for The Telegraph any more. You are something wrong. You are not, when you write something wrong – politically incorrectness – and you really have to understand this. When even freedom-fighters ostensibly to secure their freedom give up their freedom to die away, we all must understand – nothing but a dissenting opinion on the light values invented as late as possible for the purpose in the last forty years. And we happily don’t. Mark Steyn does not write in good faith but with good consciousness, and even though his figures have to be substantial corrected to show an even more realistic upcoming ragnarok, they still might inspire some worried ones to do something to go to prison.

J. E. Vig, Denmark

How Nuanced


How clever and nuanced you are. Such insight, such depth, such courage.

What a contrast your comment makes to those which preceded yours. Rather like an inverse of the evolution of thought.

I bet everyone leaves the room after about 2 minutes with you.


Dumb christians

What is so surprising ?

After all, he thinks god is some dead loser on a stick wearing a diaper. The insanity of christianity continues....


Sadly, Vicar Weisselberg's response was not a christian one. Setting oneself on fire is not consonant with any mainstream christian theology that I am aware of and certainly not Lutheranism. This cannot be forgotten if christianity is ever to regain its prominence among the Danes and the rest of Europe. We must be true to our own faith.

Not Impressed w/ "mainstream Christian theology"

Dear TMLutas:

You stated, "Setting oneself on fire is not consonant with any mainstream christian theology that I am aware of and certainly not Lutheranism".

I was never impressed with "mainstream Christian theology" for often times it sprung not from God's written Word but from man and his traditions.

You stated, "This cannot be forgotten if christianity is ever to regain its prominence among the Danes and the rest of Europe. We must be true to our own faith."

We must be true to God's Word, i.e., the Bible, not man's traditions or the traditions of "mainstream Christian theology" if Christianity is to regain its prominence among the Danes and the rest of Europe. It is my opinion that "mainstream Christian theology" is the problem for much of why Europe is the way it is. It has a form of "godliness", but lacks the Spirit of God.

See Second Timothy 3:1-17 and 4:1-5, an exerpt below:

2TI 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

2TI 4:1 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths. 5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

If we are to be TRUE, then let's be TRUE to God's Word for that is where our faith truly arises from.

very well phrased fllaw

I agree with what you are saying. I'm not sure what the cause is for the decline of Christianity in Europe because I am an American. However, I assume its the same as the cause for the decline in America. It would seem that man has attempted to morph God's Word into what man wants, not God. For example, liberation theology has become quite popular in churches here as have the tolerance of sin. It is to the point that there are no standards any more and the relevance of Christ is losing ground. Thus, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the decline of Christianity in the west, which to me means the decline of the west in general.

As to the Vicar...

As to whether or not Vicar Weisselberg's response is a Christian one, I will not judge but I actually admire his conviction. But whether a Christian response or not, if the Vicar was a Christian he still is a Christian and his suicide does not change that unalterable fact.

Sorry wolfpangloss, I relapsed! :)

Europe Will Be Darkened

Six Good Reasons... to fight and not commit suicide

- why all the most foreign immigrants and their descendants have to counted:

Before 1970 Denmark had almost no foreign immigrants.

Officially 337.243 foreigners and their descendants included the ones with a Danish citizenship or about 6 p. c. of the population stayed in Denmark 1 January 2006. A LIE! Associated professor Hans Oluf Hansen Copenhagen University reported in the newspaper Berlingske Tidende 20 August 2005 that the original Danes would become a minority before the end of this century, if it continues.

As on the other hand the official Danish projection of population was presented in the newspaper Jyllands-Posten 29 August 1999 (refered to in JP 21 August 2005), and it showed 13.7 p.c. immigrants and descendants totally in the year 2020, professor P. C. Matthiessen who commented the figures, was almost attacked via the media. ONE MORE BIG LIE.

The account is even in a much worse way:

Information of Denmark reports: There were already more than 690,000 most foreign foreigners, naturalized and their children 1. January 2006 corresponding to more than 13 p.c., and Danes will for certain become a minority between 2035 and 2045, if it continues: (corrected official status in English) .....

Is to be continued:

As the Danish and the all the other European population accounts concerns:

M.Sc.(Economics) Joern E. Vig, Denmark

Churches in Belgium

Actually, FLLAW, you would attend the Protestant or Evangelical churches in Belgium as they are mostly alive, just small in numbers.


The Catholic Church, as this is a Catholic country, is a state church that seems to avoid controversy and its Cardinal Daneels is very liberal himself. Those Catholics who do care about things tend to work with organizations that are more non-denominational such as C'Axent (Christian Accent), a small but growing activist group for Christians.


I cannot speak for the rest of Europe, but the Liberal Methodist, Lutheran and other denominations that you see in the U.S. are largely non-existent in Flanders.


Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

Catholicism is complicated

The Catholic Church has 23 separate hierarchies, one for each rite in the Church. By a vast majority the Roman Rite predominates but that does not negate the existence and equality of the other 22 rites. Like all hierarchies there are differences in approach some hierarchs being more radical and others being more moderate. The Catholicism of Belgium is overwhelmingly Roman Rite but there is no reason why this must remain so.

My Point

I hardly consider my questioning buccaneer's credibility as an "attack". Sheesh, hypersensitive are we?

My point is that what kind of person abandons his faith just because of crappy bishops and priests? Christianity is about Christ, not his weak followers.

Secondly, if Europeans remained with their faith they might have been able to bring about change within the weakness and corruption that challenges their community. There are many instances of lay people who brought about needed changes within the Catholic Church such as Catherine of Siena who advised Popes, Joan of Arc (need I say more about her?)...

Abandoning one's faith because of internal weakness is only indicative of a person who had no faith at all, or is too cowardly to be an instrument for needed change.

Any other questions, Flanders?

One can leave the "church" and not leave the Faith

One can leave the "church" (small c) or "denomination" and not leave the faith.

If I lived in Europe, I would probably not go to most of the churches there. I think many of them are no more relevant to the truth of the Bible than Muslims are. I know that is a major indictment, but when you read the bible, the crap coming from many of the pulpits has nothing to do with the truth of the bible and oftentimes contradicts God's Word.

I agree that Christianity is about Christ, not the building, the denomination, or the traditions of man. Christianity is NOT a ritual. It is a lifestyle being led by the Spirit and not by the doctrines of man.

if Europeans remained with

if Europeans remained with their faith they might have been

Quite a few assumptions in there...........the only evidence I hear for Christianity being sidelined in Europe is from the Media which has a vested interest.

I am not sure Church attendance is a measure of Christian piety - the House Churches are growing rapidly outside the corporate churches. Is Judaism dead because so few people attend The Temple in Jerusalem ?

If anyone tries to tell me that attendance at Episcopalian church services in New Jersey or New Hampshire is a sign of religiouis conviction I shall consider the proponent of that view insane. In many cases people have turned from the organised churches because of the mediocrity of many of its representatives and the insipid nature of its message and inability to categorise Right and Wrong.

In Western usage the Church has become like a mainline railway station - open to anyone regardless of intention to travel and prone to attract loiterers and bandits

The bishop doesn"t really believe in anything.

You are all making a very big mistake! People like the Lutheran Bishop of Saxony have no real religious convictions. For him, being a bishop is just the way he makes an easy living. The minute it looks like the Moslems have taken over, he will just convert to Islam and make easy money as a mullah. That is why he, and so many other "leaders" in Europe, soft peddle everything Islamic, that way they can just convert when they need to. And trust me, they will convert in a heartbeat! Heck, they don't even believe in a God, so why should they care which religion they belong to, as long as they survive. And the devil take the rest of us!

Jesus and Oskar

I wrote at some length about this on my blog. Reverend Roland was one of the Protestant ministers who with his advocacy of civil disobedience helped bring down the East German socialist government and reunite Germany.

My conclusions were:

It is not only clear that the provost and bishop wish to avoid controversy at any cost, but also clear that unrest was exactly what Reverend Roland wanted to provoke. Pretty words did not overthrow the East German socialist state: Unrest and civil disobedience did. Germans must stop resting and start resisting. Some unrest or restlessness or resistance would be good for Germany. Awaken to the dangers of encouraging Islam to form insular enclaves in Germany that breed more jihadists like Mohammed Atta, who was born in Egypt but radicalized in Germany.

Remember what Mohammed Atta looked like? He set himself on fire too, and thousands of others went unwillingly into a fiery death with him.

Reverend Roland was a disturbed man. He committed a mortal sin. I grieve for his widow, who did not deserve to lose her husband like this. And he embarrassed the church hierarchy by his politically incorrect words and his sinful death.

However, he was right about one thing. Islamic Jihadism in Germany is something to be concerned about.

There are no photos (that I could find) of Reverend Roland's self-immolation. We will not see his picture on the evening news with the teleprompter-reading, blow-dried, vapid descendants of Walter Cronkite. But that doesn't prevent us from seeing a picture of him within our mental camera, remembering what he did, why he did it, and that we must care.


Say a prayer for Reverend Roland Weisselberg.

Friends, Germans, all you descendants of the great European civilizations, awaken from your slumber. The Jihad is here, it's a real threat, and it's not going to cure itself.

There is no scriptural basis for praying for a dead man

Someone commented "Say a prayer for Reverend Roland Weisselberg".

Why? He is dead. Prayer can not help one once they are dead and there is no scriptural basis for such position. Nor is there a scriptural basis for purgatory.

However, if Reverend Roland Weisselberg, is a Christian, and I have no reason to say he is not-only God knows, then the man is in heaven if he is indeed a believer. The Blood of Christ covers all sins of the believer when he believes, past, present, and future. Going to heaven is not a crap shoot. It is not based on works or on what you did or did not do. It is based on your accepting Christ as Savior, being born again by the Spirit, and God does not lose those that He has elected before the foundation of the earth that the Father has given Him.

A man, who is Christian having confessed Jesus Christ accepting Him, that happens to be in a state of mental depression (assuming the man is depressed and not otherwise led by the Spirit to do what he did for a purpose that only perhaps God understands) who takes His life does not commit a sin, that is so egregious, i.e. mortal sin which is not a doctrine from scripture, not to be under the blood of Christ that was shed for him nearly 2000 years ago. The Blood of Christ is powerful enough to cover EVERY and ALL sins.

Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you SHALL (not conditional) be saved (not safe); 10 for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in (what?) salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call upon Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD will be (not might be) saved (saved NOT SAFE)."

That my friend is NOT a conditional promise.

why these interdoctrinal struggles?

FLLAW, you have your saved by Grace position and I have my Faith and Works position, both taught by our respective churches. This is no time for interdoctrinal struggles. There is a malign outside force, a heretical mixture and simplification of Syrian Christianity, Sabianism, moon-worship, and Judaism, that threatens to make slaves of all of us who have been saved by the blood of Christ.

Keep your eye on the prize. Remember, they want us to squabble.

Dear wolfpangloss & Flemish American

Sir you are correct and speak wisdom. Now is not the time to quibble over doctrine, but join as Brothers in Christ, along with our Jewish Brethern to protects our lands, freedom, and our families.

To Flemish American thank for giving my insight about what is going on over in Europe. You often hear that Europe is post-Christian, but thank God the Spirit of God is Alive and Well in Europe still.

America has much corruption within itself as well and faces the threat of Islam also. I pray that the Sprit of God falls upon both our peoples, renewing our faith, and strengthing us for what awaits.

I do join with you both in Flemish American's scripture:

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;
the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;
and the wisdom to know the difference.

Re: Buccaneer

The fact that you left the church (I take it to mean the Lutheran Church) hardly gives you credibility in your belief that Christianity can't hold up to Islam's encroachment. Maybe if people like you had not deserted your faith then you wouldn't be in this position, hmm?

Question Atheling?

I don't understand the point in your attack against Buccaneer. Many churches and church leaders have sold out to socialist causes (or in this case to fascist muslim causes). I know that the atmosphere is different with most churches in the US, at least on the local levels, but Europe seems to be a different matter.

There is at least one article in this site on actions of the churches in Belgium and I would not blame anyone for deserting them. I would applaud them. I don't know if that is most of them, but I suspect it may be.

It is very sad to see how desperate that man must have been.

It is very sad to see how desperate that man must have been. And how isolated and ignored he must have felt. Regarding his bishop's remark that  his proper insecurity regaring foreign cultures was to blame noone should wonder.

It leaves me simply speechless how dumb this bishop possibly is. Pure dhimmi - better betray his own kind and faith  than standing up for his people  and facing the danger. He would have served this poor man's soul last will in taking up what he died for.

Main stream media shuts up (the news was  banned virtually on the same day it appeared from the papers) and the Christian church does it's best to assure that this man has nothing to do with the church. And how well they all feel about islam. If I hadn't already quit church this would be a perfect reason for me to do so.

Now simply imagine a slightly different picture - some imam of the religion of peace would have burnt himself (very improbable, I know - but just assume it..) because he were afraid of the West and Christians. Would then other imams - like our bishop assure how well they felt about Christians, how isolated this imam was in his views, how ignorant about the greatness of Christianity - and simply cover it all up, with blushed faces full of shame? Seems as realistic as Captain Kirk beaming down from your TV into the living room, doesn't it?

If some people believe the Christian church  would be able to hold up Islam, I am afraid they will be up for a very rude awakening from their dreams. The  church will probably be the first to cater to Muslim needs. As it already happened in Brussels when they let Muslim asylum seekers into  churches  and covered up the crosses and shut out their community from mass to not offend any Muslim's religious feelings..



Erfurt is an interesting town it is where the SPD was formed and I remember it as rather a drab East German city. The point is that this vicar was 73 years old and had been retired since interesting year since that is when the GDR collapsed.

He worked as an occasional stand-in for other pastors.

So let's look at Erfurt as a "Workers' Town" in the Socialist State of the GDR. The Church could be a rallying point against the regime, many looked to the church for leadership - after the Wall came down and the Communists went, the churches emptied again. This pastor was born in 1933 the year Hitler acceded to power, he was 12 when the War ended, and a teenager when the GDR was created; and 57 when it collapsed.

He has seen the young leave the East looking for work and hears daily of factory closures and redundancies; unemployment is 20% officially, and the largest private-sector employer is a clinic . The rise of Neo-Nazis in the Eastern part of Germany and alienated youth. The globalisation threat seems to suggest Germany will collapse just as the GDR collapsed and individuals are impoverished with Hartz IV unemployment pay being subsistence. There is huge poverty in Eastern Germany and child poverty. He hears about Muslims and the problems - even though Germany has been relatively mild compared to other countries and Neo-Nazi gangs kill many more...............

So he probably felt despair

Self Immolation of the Vicar

"On Tuesday a Lutheran vicar set himself alight in the German town of Erfurt. The 73 year old Roland Weisselberg poured gasoline over himself and set fire to himself in the Erfurt monastery, where Martin Luther took his monastic vows in 1505. Bystanders rushed to extinguish the flames. The man later died of his injuries."

What a sad and useless act. Besides being a sin according to the Christian faith, it will surely not cause the Muslims to have a sudden Epiphany and become kinder and more gentle. As far as they are concerned there is one less infidel dog in the world. One less they have to trouble themselves beheading at a future date.

He would have served his flock better by exhorting them to take action against the destruction of one of the greatest cultures to have ever existed.


I don't think the man's purpose was to turn the muslims into gentle and kind, but was to encourage the authorities and the sleeping public to wake up to a threat. It won't be effective with the leftist secularists, who will applaud another potential adversary to their policies being gone.

It's 1963....

This horrid event is very reminscent of the 1963 self destruction of a buddist monk who set himself ablaze protesting the communist occupation and it's eventual spread in Vietnam...Does anyone see a pattern here??....Religious clergy protesting forms of totalitarianism by igniting themselves to death....The last time this happend, a long bloody conflict insued....Is history repeating itself?......As for the Bishop, he really needs to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late....I don't think he realizes that he will be one of the first the Islamoids will come after when they out-populate the current majority in EU......



Truly Disturbing

I cannot condone what this vicar did, and I am deeply troubled by it.

However, his bishop's remarks are typically PC and absurd. The comment below is correct: foolish.

Bishop has his Foolish head in the sand.

Axel Noack, the Lutheran Bishop of Saxony, said "that Christians reject a culture war. “Fear of other cultures is the result of our own insecurity,” he said, adding that since there are not many Muslims in what was once East Germany, there is not much of a debate about Islam there."

The Bishop is a fool. When a cultural war is thrust upon you, you don't have the "option" to reject it. In otherwords, when the other side declares war on you and launches attacks, you don't have the option to "think about it" or say "no thank you". You either fight back or you surrender.

The "Bishop" is not as "safe" as he thinks if Islam should eventually dominate Europe and it appears that it will, if the majority of the people in Europe think like this "Bishop" and pretend a dangerous problem does not exist, that it will go away, or that we can appease them.

Furthermore, this has more to do with reality and not with an issue of insecurity, but the insecurity is justifed and warranted. Perhaps the Bishop ought to get out of eastern Germany a bit and see what is going on in the rest of Germany and Europe and read what is going on in the rest of the world regarding the ever increasing violence perpetrated by the adherants of Islam upon anyone opposed to their domination.

I pray that the message of the Vicar, who died, in an attempt to warn us against the danger of the Islamization of Europe gets heard and heeded and therefore his death would not be in vain.

This "christian", i.e. the Bishop, if he is in fact a true genuine Christian, does not speak for this Christian, i.e. FLLaw33870.