Danish Cartoon Affair: Letter from a Muslim

The Brussels Journal has been closely following the Danish cartoon affair. Unlike the meanstraim media, who (apart from Denmark) are not interested in the case, we think it is very important for the future of Europe. Today we received a long email from a Muslim reader explaining why he takes offence at two of the twelve cartoons (see them here) published last September in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. Islam prohibits depictions of the Muslim prophet Muhammad. When a Danish author complained that he could not find an artist to illustrate his book about Muhammad, the paper decided to ask Danish cartoonists to draw them pictures of the prophet. Our reader’s letter is published below. But first, the latest events in this ongoing case.

An influential Islamic organisation, the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (ISESCO), has called upon its 51 member states to boycott Denmark unless the Danish government “presents an official apology for the drawings that have offended the world’s Muslims.” Last Thursday, the foreign ministers of the 22 members of the Arab League also expressed their dissatisfaction with the Danish government. They demand that the Danish government change its attitude. So far Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has consistently refused to interfere, saying that his government has no power over what the media do.

Rasmussen has made it clear that people who feel that Jyllands-Posten has broken the law, should bring the matter to court instead of demanding media censorship from the government. According to Troels Lund, Rasmussen’s foreign affairs spokesman, the criticism of the Arab league will not make Copenhagen change its position. “It is important to stand our ground and say that we have a separation of powers in Denmark and something called freedom of expression,” Lund said.

Here is the letter of our Muslim reader, who lives in Canada:

Even in a democratic society with strong protections for freedom of speech and press, there are still limits that must be imposed. I have viewed all the cartoons and in terms of content, only two of them seem to me to be particulary problematic. Let me first say that I am a Muslim but I grew up and still live in North America, so I am accustomed to seeing newspaper cartoons that satirize every imaginable subject. Also, while there is a general prohibition among Muslims of graphically depicting the Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and the other Prophets, such as Moses, Abraham and Jesus (peace be on them), that prohibition has never been absolute and in certain periods there have been images of the Prophets, although their faces are either featureless or covered by a veil). Of course those pictures were made to illustrate religious texts, not to criticize the Prophets.

Personally, the simple artistic depiction of the Prophet Muhammad by a non-Muslim does not particulary bother me, any more than the depiction of Jesus or the other prophets in, for example Renaissance Art. The two cartoons that I personally find offensive are the ones that depict Muhammad as a knife-wielding terrorist and as wearing a turban that is in fact a bomb that bears the Islamic creed, “There is no divinity but God and Muhammad is his prophet”.

Of course, I have seen in my lifetime many editorial cartoons that I personally found to be offensive and almost all of them were about subjects far removed from Islam. A cartoonist has the right to draw and I have the right to be offended. Generally, nothing more needs to be said or done. However, as a society, we must take into account the sensibilities of others.

The Danish case is particularly interesting because the intention of the newspaper was to stir up controversy. The intention was to offend Muslims. The newspaper set out to provoke and they succeeded. It is strange that having succeeded they and their supporters are so incensed over the reaction. Contrast the Danish publisher’s approach with that of U.S. newspapers. In the U.S., freedom of speech and press is almost absolute. Even so, on a few occasions in recent years when an editorial cartoon has elicited a large critical outcry, in most cases, the newspaper has apologized to offended readers, pointing out that the intention of the artist was to express an opinion, that the freedom to express an opinion is guaranteed and must be protected but that in hindsight it is apparent that the same message could have been conveyed without unnecessarily insulting a significant number of readers.

In your article, you refer to Madame Louise Arbour, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, who is quoted as saying the cartoons were “an unacceptable disrespect”. Madame Arbour is a Canadian and she was for many years a respected judge in Canada. It is likely that her opinion in this matter is coloured by her experience as a Canadian jurist. Here in Canada, we have for many years had to reconcile a VERY multi-cultural society with our constitutional protections on freedom of speech and press. As a result, our basic freedoms are not absolute. We have a constitutional principal that basic rights are “subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.”

Two of those reasonable limitations concern “blasphemous libel” and “hate propaganda”. The criminal statute outlawing hate propaganda bars the WILLFUL promotion of hatred, which is defined as “communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group.” The law allows for certain defences. A person cannot, for example, be convicted “if he establishes that the statements communicated were true” or “if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit [thus unlikely to cause public disorder], and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true.” Furthermore, no conviction can be obtained if the statement was to express in good faith an opinon on a religious matter, UNLESS that expression contravenes the blasphemous libel statute.

The blasphemous libel statute has rarely been used in Canada, but it remains in full force and effect. Under it, people can still argue against and criticize religious beliefs and persons but only with tact and circumspection. The statute says that “No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section for expressing in good faith and in decent language, or attempting to establish by argument used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, an opinion on a religious subject.”

What I am trying to point out here is that in Canadian law, our Parliament has protected freedom of speech on the one hand and sought, on the other hand, to limit any disruption of the social fabric by outlawing speech that is so intemperate that it could lead to public disorder or violence.

Of course, another aspect of the Danish affair is that the cartoons were not published in a vacuum. They were published against the backdrop of widespread anti-Muslim prejudice and of incendiary statements likely to provoke hate against Muslims in Denmark. The decision to publish them came only a few months after Her Majesty Queen Margrethe II of Denmark was quoted in the London Telegraph as saying: “We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance.”

The Queen of Denmark (who is also titular Head of the State Lutheran Chruch) has called on her subjects to oppose Islam and to display intolerance even in the face of public criticism. (She obviously is unaware of the respectful position of most Christian churches, including her own, on Islam). If Her Majesty Elizabeth II, the Queen of Canada (or her Governor General) ever said such words, there would be a constitutional crisis and calls for the Sovereign herself to be charged with inciting race hatred under the Canada Criminal Code.

In a recent private letter to me, a Danish Lutheran theologian and social activist, had, in part, this to say:

“We are facing a difficult time in Denmark right now. Many people and consequently also many politicians are worried and afraid of the presence of Muslims in Denmark. We have about 4 % of the population which is Muslim today. In the 90s the rightist populist party Dansk Folekparti (Danish People's Party) campaigned against the Muslims and other immigrants, but after 9-11 (2001) other parties joined in the chorus and at the election in November 2001 it was the main theme. The press from the beginning added fuel to the fire by focusing almost entirely on the problems with Muslims/immigrants and has presented social issues involving immigrants from a religious/Muslim angle. Finally our dear Queen has joined the populist chorus by her very problematic statements concerning some of her subjects, the Muslims!

(...) A number of individual members of the Lutheran church, including pastors and sometimes also bishops (and my humble self), have again and again spoken up against this campaign against Muslims. (...)

Nine of the ten dioceses in the Lutheran Church in Denmark have set up an organization called ‘Folkekirke og Religionsmøde’ (Folk church and Religious Encounter, or Church and Dialogue). I was the chairman for this organization for the first 3 years and we have worked to create a positive awareness among congregations concerning their Muslim neighbours. We have established a national dialogue forum with leaders of Muslim groups, and we are publishing materials to educate the congregations.”

Those, like yourself, who speak out in favour of freedom of speech and press should also speak out against the raising tide in Denmark of racial and religious intolerance. The Danish cartoon affair is NOT just a test of basic freedoms, it is a concerted attack on a visible minority and that attack is being waged not only by incendiary cartoonists but also by government officials included the Queen of Denmark herself.

 

Meanwhile in Sweden a jeans manufacturer, Bjorn Atldax, has designed a jeans brand with an anti-Christian logo: a skull with a cross turned upside down on its forehead. “It is an active statement against Christianity,” Atldax told The Associated Press. “I have a great dislike for organized religion.” He says he wants to make young people question Christianity, which he calls a “force of evil.” He added that he has plans “to make something anti-Hindu because I think its caste system is awful.” But he is not considering any anti-Islamic designs because “there are already a lot of anti-Islamic sentiments.”

As a Caribbean blogger observes: “By his willingness to offend Christians and Hindus, and his hands off attitude to Islam, Atldax is proving himself to be very European.” We trust that the UN’s Louise Ardour, the EU’s Franco Frattini and the Council of Europe will respond in the same way to Bjorn Atldax’s jeans as to Jyllands-Posten’s cartoons, and demand that the Swedish government take the same actions as they want the Danish government to take. Or will they, too, prove themselves to be “very European”?



Agreement

This muslim (not cap for a reason) should consult his own bible (sic goreran). I am a CHRISTIAN and like many of us here in America
own and hold guns. There is a war coming. Just see what is happened in France. The muslim rioter where nothing but thugs. Wake up and smell the stink of hate the muslims preach.

Tom

Kungfumaster

Well, one thing is to have an opinion. But hey, don't count me in your messages of hate. :) Tone it down, little buddy. In that way, your message gets across.
Also, poor Asians if you speak in their behalf. I am pretty sure you feel strongly about your conviction. But hey, speak for yourself.
Finally, Muslims need to shut up for a minute and figure out the "why" questions. Muslims are a little too impulsive.
I sure am glad I was a decendant of Isaac and not the concubine's son (Muslims).
Muslims get offended by the cartoons. But you have to stop and look at yourselves and see whether or not your actions offend the peaceful muslims living in the rest of the world.
With that said, Screw the Dutch! Natalie Halloway all the way! Canadians, you guys are weird. Hehehehe.

Muslims?

Well, before anything else. I think that the Dutch suck. I love the cartoons they made recently. But you guys suck as a country anyways so we just laugh about it.
Canadians? You know how Canada was formed? We took the worst of Great Britain and US, then we coraled them into this cold place called Canada. There.
Just kidding. I am just poking fun at you all just like how Muslims are poked fun at.
Sooner or later the extremist muslims will learn to co-exist. They have difficulty with co-existing among non-muslims and that's a fact anywhere you go.
The only reason why muslims are quiet in America is because they are a small minority here. Muslims have castrated and killed women and children of Christian and Catholic background in Mindanao, a muslim area of Southern Philippines.
Muslims have killed Christians in Africa, a sort of genocide. Muslims were given a territory (Palestine) and autonomy. And the first thing they did was try to rid of Israel.
And now, they looked around Iraq and found that there ain't much foreign troops to ease their war freak itch. What did they do? They turn on themselves.
Now, a cartoon was done. So they turn on Denmark.
Muslims (except for a small peaceful minority in the US) are in general war freaks who cannot co-exist with non-muslims. Those are facts. Take them wherever you want in a debate. But those are the facts.
Amen.

Well - If muslims, talebanis

Well - If violent muslims, talebanis wasn't killing innocent people in the west, there would be any need for Guantanamo.

re: United EuStates Of Amercia,

Thats why we in the Denmark - and other western nations, have separated the chuch from State. The chuch - can do what the like, but it's just a part of a Democratic state - like other religions.

Some exstreme religions don't accept homosexuals - but in a democratic state, people can decide their sexulity for themselves.

Muslims are missing this understanding - since they are killing and murdering people because of their sexuality.

Strange for a us in the west, the muslim society in the arab world - accept pedofile behavior among older men.

About "Lying Preachers, Quit Saying Grace is an Excuse for Sin" well people can say what they want here in the west, but if someone is lying we confront them with their lies - f.ex. like we do in Denmark - when muslim Imams are lying - but we don't kill them

We Danes a little bit sorry for you

http://www.danishmuhammedcartoons.com/Apology.html)

Awww! Onenoson, How

Awww! Onenoson, How considerate of you to ask! No, I have not my permanent Visa yet, for his country. No one need pay me for my post though! That was very hard for me.. It hurt a lot. But I sacrificed myself to say it. No.. that was for FREE! I could never take money for the simple truth!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

To Cody! Thank You!

Have a great day also!
I am having a fantastic one!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

I will be in Sessrumnir. in Freya's Hall with

I will be in Sessrumnir, Freya's Hall's with the Valkyries, you pathetic excuse for the useless, limp reproductive unit of a typical muslim male. when the soldiers following the Alfadir comes sweeping through your sewer streets ridding the universe of pitiful specimens as offal such as yourself.

allah is a wussy lisping god and mohammed is his punk!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Please do not believe them

Please do not believe them Cody, it is carrot and stick time. Bait and swtich.. Good cop and bad cop! There is an old arab saying.. "Show them the death and they will accept the fever everytime!" They have shown violence and militancy, then if they show you something a bit reasonable you will not stand so hard against them. Once you accept the deal, the repression and cruelty will rule the day!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Re: Shame- I want EVERY

Re: Shame- I want EVERY MUSLIM DEAD ON THIS EARTH! That makes me ashamed, because no matter how hard I try. I just want it to happen and the SOONER the better!

You are accursed already and so are all the muslims in the world Onenoson. I pray every night that you will die a horrible, horrible death..Alone and in agony no one to save any of You. I do not want you all to repent or be saved or helped. I just want a large nuking over the area. but I would also be happy with another firing of I. G. Farbens old equipment up again!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

NO CALIPHITE"S ARE IN THE WEST!

NO CALIPHITE'S ARE IN THE WEST! Keep them in the east where they belong.. Better still..keep them extinct.. Why do you not just ask allah and mohammmed to come and get all of you so you can go somewhere out in to space, run into the borg and be annihilated! Then we have no need of further zakat for you!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

We ARE NOT YOUR FAMILY! The

We ARE NOT YOUR FAMILY! The struggle with radical Islam is yet another western family quarrel, I beg to DIFFER! I do not know any muslims I would class as a HUMAN BEING!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Re: Islam Doesn't Mean

Onenoson.. You have got to be kidding! You think this is all about a MAN..an arrogant, arab muslim piece of excrement. I have a man now, A wonderful man..a Scandinavian male, he is perfection to me. He directed me to this site, Because I have something to share. My past with my ex-husband, islam, etc. Now peace has repeatedly said I came here to find a man.. and it made me laugh. I think some others might have thought that as well. Perhaps one or two danes. I came because of my interest, and of course making new friends, supporting the Danish people, exposing the lies and the misinformation given, here about how peaceful and loving islam is. Well, I have enemies now amongst teh muslims who write here..so be it. I have angered one or two Danes because I have rebuffed some advances that I was not looking for.. maybe they thought I was. I am a cvery open person. It has taken a lot to grow. I have hinted before at some thing and mentioned others. this is not because of a huabnd.. this is because the religion is a LIE! As ar the tenets of faith and the secretiveness with which you go about it. Now many never really bother to read what I write they skim over it and scan. I wrote and told you I was native american.meaning native of american indian ancestry. Nermin called me a carriers of DNA of polluted blood genes that went out and destroyed, scourged and harmed the native american people and brought over slaves. Amazing! As a native american I can honestly say that was the first time i ever wanted to SCALP anyone! That and a few other choice words brought me to call her makamnaya or smells like skunk.. but calling me a polluted blood carrier and responsible for the systemic destruction of my OWN people was just that.. the squirrely and low down act of a skunk. If you cannot hit them with fact.. Make up something nasty.. That is islam. I wrote a rap song and did it authentically, had a friend who was a rap artist help me. He saw the posting when you called me a black slave woman and said.. is that due real or what.. that was not even done in enough ebonics to get me safe out of east la much less Fort Apache in the bronx. ( By the way I hate RAP music, so he knew it was a big deal for me to ask even.) I have no european blood in me.. I am the sits beside woman of a european male.. I adore my Viking. He is exceptionally good to me.. his little savage. I realize that is what many Danes think of me.. no matter. I have heard the little indian song in Danish. As I told a Dane two days ago more or less two days. I am not blonde haired and blue eyed. I have no fair skin. Sorry it that bothers them or you Onenoson. I am afraid I am still a Native american red skin. I abhor the fact that some of your ilk Onenoson have gone to the reservations and made a few coonverts. It was the alcohol thing that did it. I think. The fact that islam is against it. well , not all native american are drunks and not all need islam either. Preying on another peoples insecurities, fear or their misfortunes is something that you muslims do best. The US government have enough to deal with there and mistakes that they made. I believe that it is an A & B conversation between natives and the US government and you should C your way out of it, as muslims.

Islam is so repressive, so constraining, so restrictive, I cannot see why people would walk into the fire and embrace it, willingly without being born into it. yes, I had married a muslim arab and things were bad. Believe me though, any time that I feel I miss the restrictive, repressive, constraining bonds of being married to one.. I will simply walk out and buy my Scandinavian God,a pair of old German leather jackboots, hand him a nine tailed whip, have him slap a collar on my throat, snap on a pair of wrist cuffs and grovel at his feet then grovel at his feet calling him.."min Herre" forever. NOW that could be fun and kinky!!! Ohh yes, the little savage and the Msster Race.. I love it! Ohhhhh! Glad you made me think of it! Or may be the Viking and the slave girl. The Whips and the Squirrels! The Monk and the peasant girl! Hmmmmm! Ohh where was I? Oh yes..What I mean to say is this.. There is nothing that you can say to change my mind. You cannot make me think it was just my misunderstanding of it all.. nor will I allow you to sell such compost material to other s either. those scenarios I just mentioned are a game. But in Islam you might as well be in a totally BDSM relationship of a NON CONSENSUAL natire because that is what you have pure and simple. As I am writing this.. I am reading.. I wanted to be sure of what I was going to say next. In BDSM as I understand there are SAFE words that you and a partner may utter so as not to be harmed. But ISLAM is slavery, pure, simple and total slavery. There are no safe words to utter. Because the religion merely inerprets the surahs and hadiths as it pleases them. One would assume that under Islam and Shar'ia law all would be uniform in handing out sentences and such. This is totally wrong it is left up to the Mullahs and Imams to interpret it in whichever way they feel is best. So I would hate to be the woman in a divorce court the day they are hearing her case and the mullah just argued with his wife before hand. Worse yet, one that hates women in general. The boys exectued because a Mullah thought they were homosexual. No one had proved it.. The mullash simply assumed. Doe that not make an ASS out of U and ME, if we merely assume something. You have ASSUMED that I am upset about bad luck. Then let me explain it fully for you why I do not believe Islam is a peaceful religion. I was arrested and tortured. They read and sang quranic verses to me as they beat the ever living hell out of me. Now as for the religion. the surahs and hadith say a lot of things. about women. So I suppose you believe that they torured me fully clothed yes... Oh oh oh .. You would be so wrong. I was stripped naked and chained with my hand over my head, my toes barely touching the floor of a filth covered cell. I want you and any other idiot out there to TRULY UNDERSTAND! For you and any Danes out there harboring any misthoughts that I may have an agenda here except explaining to you what is right and not. Now Cody omega , you are a bail enforcement agent.. you know what a cattle prod is.. do you know what a stun gun is.. do you? I am sure you do.. So if any have any questions.. please see CodyOmega I am sure he will explain it to you. I wanted to leave, I had stamps, but my husbands family.. Mmmm they felt I had other things in mind. At any rate where was I again. Oh yes hanging naked, on my tiptoes, A cattle pros inserted in several regions. and turned on You can nearly induce heart failure by hitting someone in the chest with a stun device. But did you know that, water poured over a body.. icy water.. makes the shock simply UNREAL! Hmm! No. well let us continue. I have 4 floating ribs now, ribs that can move and pierce my lungs. Do you know that I have to be massaged at times to cause pieces of bone to head back into the area that they SHOULD BE, in the first place. But you see it was just rotten luck I ran into ISLAM! Hmm pulling toenails nad fingernails out with pliers is interesting and severing tendon in the hand works well also, as well as dones fingers. I have a hole the size of honeybelle tangerine in one knee. I mean the bone that makes up the knee itself. I limp on the left side now. I had my face broken by judicious use of an AKA 47. I have night sweats and awaken in anger and in rage. I would love to tell you that your fellow muslims never touched me.. that would be a supreme lie. Recant my position, accept islam, be submissive, you must be insane of the certifiable degree. Women are arrested for the most inconsequential things in islamic countries. Never , ever use such phraseology with me again Onenoson. If I was a man I would rip out your heart and the ones of the "decent muslim men" who hurt me and eat them RAW. Do not ever PRESUME to knw what you are talking to me about when it comes to that.. because YOU KNOW NOTHING! YOUR KIND ARE A BREED APART FROM ANYTHING EVEN RESEMBLING HUMANITY!

May Fenris feast on your bones and theirs!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

The extremeists of the

The extremeists of the illusionary fastest growing religion include Emeda30, Onenoson, IslamisPerfect, Aman, Bashar, Nermin etc etc etc.. Why? Because they are not listening to anything you have to say. They are extremists in that it is their mandate to get you to submmit. Their mission, that they have accpeted is to get you to convert to Islam or at least to become so confused and befuddled that thinking this is really a peaceful group of people whi are merely living their lives in a spirit filled way. THEY ARE NOT PEACEFUL! Like the Wizard of Doz , they do not want you looking at the man behind the curtain. They only want you to hear the words. The sonorous singing of meaningless babble droning on and on and on..endlessleslym unrelentingly until the sheer weight of it bows you in and you succumb to the deadly siren song. Do not believe them, do not let yourself be dragged under. There is no God but God they say. Whose God! Some might think that they mean the same God as Abraham and Moses, the same God Christians believe Christ is the Son of.. NOO! They only mean their god. Mohammed's god. The God he made paramount in that part of the world. They are talking of mohammed's god.. the god of a young petty minded, egostitical,overly fanatical, overbearing, hypocritical illiterate, camel-herding, caravan raiding thief who got lucky conned some desparate former housewife ( rich one too mind you. so he was young, maybe relatively good looking as camel and goat herders go ), who married him, took a 9 year old girl to wife ( there is a name for that in THE REST of the WORLD.. it is called CHILD MOLESTATION! Oddly enough in many muslims countries it happens whre the bride is several years the junior of the groom. Of course, he waits until she is suitable enough before he touches her! RIGHT!) In the name of his god ( one must admit many religions began violently!)...But ISLAM has stayed the course throughout it turbulent history. For the preaching and spreading of the religion has always been through war, terror, fear, injustice and pain. Yes, one can see how such a religion could have a bad reputation, but be peacefulm in its endeavors. You will buy that specious argument. It is not Peaceful! Every instance of loathing and fear, or disgust of islam is TRUE,RIGHT. CORRECT, and VALID! Just say NO is islam = just say NO to a drug! This is crack..religious crack ,,,do not get hooked on it.. better yet...Do not let them in the House! Thank You!Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

On Peace's comment ..

"so that is it..you want muslims to be like u athesist or at least christians by name only listen to me ..this will never happen .islam i s not like your faked christianity."

Did you read what I wrote at all? I don't know where you got the idea that I want you or any muslim to be like christians. Also, in no way did I insult your faith but you speak of fake christianity and the like... Not quite sure why my post would ilicit that sort of response.

All I said was... a small % of those in the muslim faith seem to be wrecking it for the majority.. which appears to do nothing about them... but makes such a big deal over something like a cartoon? Surely, these energies can be applied to a more worthy cause. Afterall, These radicals within your own religion is where you need to direct your outrage... You are being "mis-represented" by them. The atrocities they commit are unacceptable. No decent person regardless of nationality, regardless of faith could ever see what they do as being "RIGHT".

BUT, Who will be held accountable for their actions? Not them.. no way, it will be the silent majority of Islam who pays for the crimes of it's wicked few. History has a tendancy of repeating itself and so many seem unwilling to learn from past mistakes.

It's already plain to see as a stereotype of Muslims is rampant thru-out the known world and it all due to these crazy fanatic's that you people will not do anything about.

To rotten hoooker peace, so

To rotten hoooker peace, so sorry I had no idea you were gay! I do apologize, for not understanding before now. Thank you for the offer of being a servant, but I really prefer to do my own housework.. besides you muslims never really clean a house properly. But that is not the point, dear. Oh my goodness it is alright if you are ugly dear *smiles* I am sure Imran Khan will not mind. I truly apologize I did not mean to cause you to "out yourself on this forum!'
And do not worry dear, you will look just fine in drag.. though a blouse to cover the hairy stomach might be best with the sari *smiles*

bye bye

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to rotten hooooker

i am a muslim man and you are rotten sick hoooker .the cheapest one ...
you dont find any pig to look at your ugly face so u are here day an d night to compensate your frustration..imran khan doesnot accept u as a servant for him..you know his taste in woman as you see...

can someone translate this bilge for me. sentence is starting

can someone translate this bilge for me. sentences are starting to run together again!

Submitted by peace on Tue, 2006-02-14 21:09. new
what about your radicals and extremists..
what about bush who claim that god asked him to fight iraq ....
are u secular or not?.
and why you leave him utter these words like any radical extremist while u have free media u gave us a headacke with.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Lode Runner

what about your radicals and extremists..
what about bush who claim that god asked him to fight iraq ....
are u secular or not?.
and why you leave him utter these words like any radical extremist while u have free media u gave us a headacke with.

to rotten filthy hooker peace!

Oh rotten filthy hooker peace, I know it is so hard for you without a man, but not to worry I think Imran Khan has room for you now that he and Jemima Goldsmith have been divorced these two years past. Do not worry, you will find someone..maybe Iran's President is looking for a new girl.. hmm!

That is right it will never happen because no one in the West like your faked religion Islam. And no worries.. Emeda 30 has already admitted the muslims are terrorists,as well as bad people. I am not an athiest, not sure if Kalidren is? Perhaps you should ask?
Anyway sorry you are bad people and muslims are terrorists. Bye bye * smiles*

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save US!

to Kalidren an drotten hooooker

so that is it..you want muslims to be like u athesist or at least christians by name only//
listen to me ..this will never happen .islam i s not like your faked christianity.
and to rotten hooker.keep your nasty mouth closed .donot u have a man ....

Lode Runner what you say has merit!

All the more reason to take off and nuke them from site! But I am considered a racist by them so..

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Food for thought

A growing train of thought for many in the west is that muslim's are publicly speaking out against the radical's within their faith but quietly supporting them.

Some of the post's in defense of Islam are written with such zeal and I have to wonder why they don't apply that same attitude to their own bad elements.

There may come a day in the not so distant future where you have to make a choice. Do we stand with the 10% who give us a bad name worldwide or do we purge ourselves of them?

It seems like a blind eye is being turned their way.. and yet such a public outcry over a few cartoons, which in the end cannot hurt you phyiscally. The atrocities being commited each day in the name of your faith should be where your real outrage is being directed. YOU are being misrepresented by these 10% and lumped in with all of them... Why? Because, many of us in the west believe you do nothing about them.

Cartoon Violence

I have clicked to a few of foriign devil's links. They made me a "little" less upset in the knowledge that there are indeed moderate Muslims trying to throw water on the fire (and very good sites Devil). But the fact remains that these incidents go to show that this is a religion with elements so out of control, nothing can stop them. The leader of Iran wants to blow Israel into the sea. Hammas wins the election in Palestine. The problem is, the radical Muslims are winning the war over moderate Muslims in political hot spots. If they get a nuke, they WILL use it. Israel being the first target (the little Satan), the U.S. being the second target (the Great Satan), and now (for this month) Denmark (the... most congenial Satan)? Muslims indeed show tolerance, but only for other Muslims as far as I can tell. As devil showed in his links, there is nothing in the Koran about depicting the prophet Mohammed that is blasphemous- he pardoned a man from Medina who had been mocking him for a decade, and there are many fomous portraits of the prophet. Fine. What I see on TV is Muslims rampaging and burning after a few cartoons are published. I also remember watching TV after the 9/11 attacks- the only groups of Muslims I saw were dancing in joy in the streets. I'm also supposed to believe this is a peaceful religion. OK peaceful Muslims, prove it to me. I know your hearts are in the right place, but your radicals are so out of control that they have endless followers lined up to help them, and you can't do anything about it. It's a pity that the other religions of the world can control their extremists, but your religion fails to do so time and time again. If there is an armageddon within the next 20 years, I would lay 1000 to 1 odds it will be started by a radical of this very peaceful religion.

Pardon?

I'm sorry Onenoson. If I spoke Arabic I'm sure I would have understood what you wrote in English.

But Pessimist they keep

But Pessimist they keep swearing they are friends and lovers of christianity!
They revere the Jesus christ adn the Virgin Nary so!...Oh how can that be!
They are protectors of Jews, of Christians, of the tired, the hungry, the poor, the disenfranchised, the weak, the politically and religiously oppressed! *suddenly hearing them sing.....Oh Muhammed can you see, how benevolent we can be.....(sung to the tune of "Oh Say Can You See")

Yepp, they are truly full of camel dung!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Sad but true

160 000 christian killed only last year in muslim counties..
Reply on that..

Patel ! gote mu mein aa gaye!

Patel, I give you two rounds.. and I still kick your ass full of shit, by
the way.. I still know Parition so I doubly know you are full of shit! But it is true you are a sissy boy and it would not look good to get whipped by a woman. Go on, run behind Nermin and her
skirts! I give you as a present to Fenrir so he can chew you good!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To Nermin

Nermin, I am not sick nor do I need a psychistrist, but what I do need is for you to disappear forever. Because your psuedointellectual lunatics ravings about how peaceful you are is actually quite disgusting!

So could you please see a psychiatrist because no one believes in the least you peaceful bullshit or the propaganda you spout so diligently!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Uncomfortable

I am in the uncomfortable position of having to agree with Nermin again. armyscout43 is one sick puppy. I'm glad that the general position in this group is to ignore him. He is in the same place as the fellow who said for the Times that there was to be no apologies accepted by the Danish Editor but that he had to be turned over to Islamic Justice and be executed. There is not point in engaging these people.

Jesus cartoons?

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=77513&d=9&m=2&y=2006&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom

to this sick believer

go to a doctor of psychatry immediatly.

To A New Believer

Your full of more "dung" then the entire world combined.  Yeah lets this so called "Baldur" save your damn ass.  If he can. HAH

Nermin, you are all full of

Nermin, you are all full of camel dung!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Aman! Shut Up! I have

Aman! Shut Up! I have sheltered Bosnians in my home during the conflict, that stole from me and incurred huge phone bills they never paid. They used my computer and printer to formulate the worst kind of claptrap and garbage. Bombing the japanese that way was the only way to get them to wake up. They TOO had a holy mission. The Shogunate warlords of WWII had told them, we would eat their children alive! ( We meaning all the allies!) That the chinese and Filipinos, the Australians, American, British and others would maim, kill, rape and pillage their people. They told them terrible things. When american troops entered Okinawa they threw their children off of the cliffs to kill and thus save them from what they believed was afate worse than death. Then the parents jumped as well. Not all of them, but enough to cause the troops to cry, in despair because they could not reach them in time to save them. They had left orderes for people to fight to the death, and they would have until there were no more japanese. The code of Bushido would have demanded it. They dropped the bomb and killed many people and in doing so the war ended and they were able to save millions more. Before you say another word about anything that happened during WWII we knew they would not surrender. we had enigma's code. The infamous code machine. rather than let the enemy know that we knew their plans we sacrificed towns, villages, people that many cared about rather than let the Axis powers know we had the information. Talk to the people in the town of Coventry, we let them, the Axis, destroy that town. There are always atrocities on both sides Aman, that is why war is so foul. You are talking to a woman in a family with a long line of military people. I grew discussing warfare and strategems with my father. Ca ira! As the french say..so it goes! That is life. I cannot do anything about that, which happened in the past. Turks hate Greeks , Greeks hate Turks.. listen one summer in cyprus and you will understand. Algerians, Tunisians, Lebanese, Syrians, Moroccans, etc, etc.. Bah! Why do they flock to France whne they know the French look down on them. Well to be honest,the French look down on everyone but the French..And if you hear them tell it the rest of the Allies did nothing during WWII. Would you condemn the people in the NOrth in the USA for going to war with teh South during the Civil War, the loss of life was great. In Chechnya there is a war on also. Did anyone try to talk first. Bosnia _Herzegovonia ..Did they all try to talk first. Yes it is hard to talk to people shooting you. And the Serbs did just that. I lost friends there..Serbs..Croats...Muslims. Some people killed just for being married to the wrong person. but I have also had my Palestinian friend hounded from a Jordianian neighborhodd and married to a Jordanian simply because she was Palestinian and had been a refugee. Or my english friend married to a Palestinian ( he has been there with his family since 1949)living in Kuwait. they are 7th degree Kuwaitis what kind of nonesense is that. Please do not do the righteous indignation routine. It never ceases to amaze me the duplicity of the peaceful put upon spin that you try to use for your religion. Does not work here! Not buying! No way, no how!
Why would someone committ suicide? For the same reason the japanese banzai pilots did during WWII. Brainwashed? Told they would go to heaven? Leaned on until they made the ultimate sacrifice?
I vas never against anyone I vas just following order, herr obergruppenfuerher, excuse I mean mullah?Mohammed whispered in my ear and said.. 77 really hot virgins just for you..Iqbal? Do no t set the Palestinainas problems solely at teh West's feet! You r brethern , freedom loving, god fearing, charitable leadders who were spending oil money right and left humping all over Europe in the red Light districts swilling good french champagne, eating pate ( you have any idea what is in pate!) heheheh! No matter they were washing it down with alcohol. Buying solid gold bathroom fixtures, rolls royces, jaguars, lamborghinis and austin martins in 7 different colours dancing till dawn in the discos! Oh that is right! The Sabas, the Kuwaiti Royal Family, they were in Kuwait suffering during the Desert Storm Gulf War! I do not think so.. see the previous sentences. Do no t bother to sputter or go indignant! Papparazzi, the bane of Europe caught them on camera! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo! At the disco!
Playing Baccarat and Chemin de Fer at teh casinos in Monte Carlo! Ciao Babies!
They could have helped the poor disenfranchised Palestinians more. They and others did not want to. The Palestinians squawk too much, stir up too muhc trouble for them. That is why they have made sure they stayed in those
camps. waiting for something that might never happen. Muslims in Thailand are not under attack. Two stupid kids made a rap song, not a dirty one either. They got carried away by the beauty of the words in the Quran, they did not know they could not record those . But tell me what about the Qurans that are on CD and cassette tapes for the blind and the visually impaired. So that is not allowed either? Just checking. I already know the answer. The Moros in the Phillipines try to secede away form the country proper every few years or so, and each and every time they get their bums kicked nad made to get back in group. But civil War I see is cool by you as long as Muslims get their own way. You people are still on here trying to proselytze and convert othes. Stay home with that shit! If someone comes to you..well and good otherwise. Keep your mouths shut and mind your p's and q's! Why? Because for the same reason I usually want to kick the arse of every Jehovah's Witness or Mormon knocking on my door at 7 am in the damn morning. If the scummy little muslim boy who has been staying out all night long drinking, whoring and painting the town does not pass his exam, it is because the professor is prejudiced against Muslims. Go home stay there. Get out! Let the door knobs hit you where your good lord split you! You are not happy to see such things! BULLSHIT! I have seen the dancing..and singins and trilling! No it was not a film clip, it was in the neighborhood right after ANY attack against the West..and these were not poor people either! And for the love of Freya do not tell me I did not understand what they were saying! I understood very well from the sharmutta who was married to the cousin in law across the street to my brother in law the zib yelling in the street.. Telhasi Teezi Amerika! Telhasi Teezi West! Kul Khara! *trilling like some sort of diseased maddened cows*

Odin and Baldur do love me as does Freya, Tyr and Thor.. Who in the name of the Gods & Goddesses did you think whispered in my ear and said "loose that bum!"

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to this sad new believer from nermin

I can understand how u hate arabic and muslim through your bad experience of marying to a muslim arabic man..but this is not fair…yes failure in marriage is most hard thing and sometimes women or men lose faith in each other an dget complicated…but of course u cannot deny that beating women in USA and europe is well known and widespread and recently ,I have read that one third of the dead french women are killed by the hands of their husbands.
You have this awful marriage with an english man you would have hated all english men an dmay be all english nation and you may think that the french or italian are more tender ..i advise you to go to a psychologist because it seems that you suffer a lot …
but I want to tell u that if you got married from a bad man an dfrom bad family this doesnot mean to juadage all because there are a lot of happy mariages between nonmuslism women and muslim men ..
if you got married from a muslim man who is alcoholic .does that mean that all muslim men are like that while islam forbide drinking even a drop .
if u find muslim house or cloths not clean will you say all muslims are not clean and islam is a religion of uncleaning while muslism are obliged to perfor ablutiuon before tehri five obligatory prayers and sometimes they must perofrm complete washing ..
I really hope any one discuss me or reply tome about that.
It is very stupid to judje over1.5 billion from individual actions or deeds.
It is even unfair if you are a teacher to judje a classrrom of even 30 students if you find 5 of thejm are bad or naughty.
also, may be there were failure factors which were present but both of u ignored it..may this man is from low standard social culture or education.he was not a hard worker post graduate student whom u met in your own countryfor sure..
and may be he married youto get the nationality or stable visa .so this type of marriage never succeed.
Marriage failure is major crisis which occur world wide.so be wise.
by the way if you are anew beliver in anythingthat satisfy u why you are so frustrated like this..faith must bring hopes and peace of mind my dear or it is useless.rethink about this new faith of yours an d goto a doctor.

ask those people too

there are also a lot of tehm who spend their vacation in dubai.ask ex presidend clintion and madonna who have houses there .aslo ask brad bit and anglina jolie and mickel jackson about their vacation recently there.
aslo u can ask tony blair about his spending for teh third consecutive years his chrismas vacation in sharm elsheikh in egypt.
donot make hatred and blindness drive u from your senses .

To Patriotii

your filthy language shows the values you represent.

To american liberal

Go to Hell, we all against America

to patriotii

you will not be happy by the end of the crusades
Read the history again

To Brian

you said: "There are NO westerners in their right minds who would choose to live in countries like that"
You are absolutely wrong, there are thousands of americans and europeans who live in the gulf states, believe me: they kiss the sandy land under the feet of Saudis, for some Saudi Riyals.

you said: "There are NO

you said: "There are NO westerners in their right minds who would choose to live in countries like that"
You are absolutely wrong, there are thousands of americans and europeans who live in the gulf states, believe me: they kiss the sandy land under the feet of Saudis, for some Saudi Riyals.

to that infiedel

You Said: " What say we get out of your dust bowl,give you back saddam let iran build a bomb and blow the whole middle east to bits "
No get out of Iraq and Take Saddam with you, cuz he is Rumsfild's friend ,and by the way take the American and european oil companies with you. Just a small suggestion: Try to disarm Israel from its 230 atomic and hydrogenic bombs

to any athesist here

please read this

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=42

To a new believer, and rherrick

You're saying that the killing of innocents by the Japanese justify the killing of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians . Then I will use the same principle:
if you saw how the American sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis " most of them were children and infants, you will know why the 19 hijackers decided to crash the planes into the WTC and the pentagon, if you know that the Russian army has destroyed 80% of the Chechen capital Grozny, you will not blame the Chechens. If you read about how the terrorist gangs of Stern and Haganah came from Europe to kill the Palestinian villagers and terrorizing them to emigrate from their land , and how the israeli tanks were running on the Arab detainees in the desert, you will certainly find 10000 excuse to the Palestinians.
Think about this: why would somebody bomb himself to kill others ? is it a hobby ? who will be happy to kill himself and others? Muslims are under attacks in many parts of the world: Palestine , Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chechnya, Philippines, Thailand, Kosovo, Bosnia, and many other places. And because we don't have weapon of mass destruction, F16,and Toma Cruse rockets, some Muslims decided to respond in this way.
It's too easy to condemn the attacks of the Palestinians but what will you do if you were in their position? Would you gave your land to the israelis and let them kill your people with the American Appatchi helicopter and F16 war plane without trying to defend yourself or respond. It's unfair to condemn the killing of some civilians while supporting or justifying the killing of others.
AS Muslims we are not happy when we saw innocent people getting killed in any part of the world, but it's impossible to stop this explosions? You know why ? because it's the reaction of the aggression against Muslims.
The western civilians are not more valuable than our civilians, and our blood is not cheaper than yours.
May baldur and odin both love you Ms. theology

To Dan re: why boycott Danish?

Because all of the Islamic world and leaders have condemned al Qaeda actions

No, not actually. The Palestinians danced with joy when the World Trade Center fell. Islamic imams in many countries, including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen, and others, still preach the type of hatred of the West that led logically to the fall of the WTC. And many more Muslims still tolerate and promote such things as the Egyptian miniseries based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and textbooks that call for the destruction of Israel and claim that Jews use the blood of children for Passover matzah. No Muslim organizations or nations that I know of have called for the condemnation of the assassination of Theo van Gogh.

To take your phrase, if the majority of Muslim people had condemned such actions instead of celebrating or justifying or rationalizing them (just as you are here rationalizing the violence of protestors in this case), then maybe no one would have been compelled to create a cartoon that depicts Muslims as violent and intolerant.

Not deaf, not blind, not stupid

Thanks for copying and pasting someone else's conspiracy theory.

That's the trouble with you conspiracy theorists - you're always conspiring!

Bob Doney

The letter writer

The letter writer says:

Those, like yourself, who speak out in favour of freedom of speech
and press should also speak out against the raising tide in Denmark of
racial and religious intolerance. The Danish cartoon affair is NOT just
a test of basic freedoms, it is a concerted attack on a visible
minority and that attack is being waged not only by incendiary
cartoonists but also by government officials included the Queen of
Denmark herself.

Perhaps when the mass of Muslims can rouse themselves to speak out against terrorist attacks against civilians, against the murder in the street of artists, against threats to the lives of writers and speakers and filmmakers, against the horrifying images and depictions of Jews, Westerners, and other apostates in the Muslim media, when Muslims can express as much outrage against the violence and slander committed in the name of their faith as they can express against cartoons that point out all that violence, maybe then I'll share the letter writer's sentiment.  Until then, the actions of those protesting and burning Danish embassies only embody the very sentiments expressed in the cartoons, that the first response of the world Muslim community is to attack and destroy anything that does not agree with its agenda, while hypocritically refusing to turn the same critical eye on its own people.

To Imran Patel

We do not want proselytzing in the West, stay home and keep that crap there. My religion was around long before Mohammed slung camel dung for his cookfire. And I did not see a little I saw a lot. Please do not bring that holier than thou attitude to my front door or I will smash you in the face with Partition and all the tender little atrocities you mangled nattering nabobs of negativism, did to innocent women,men, children, and the elderly. Please do not get into an intellectual pissing match with me.. I will wipe the very floor with you. Save that for some fool who might even begin to believe your sordid and tawdry little lies. I taught comparative Religion. I repeat once again. I may have been STUPID enough to marry a muslim arab, but thank the gods I was not STUPID enough to become one. I was not born a jew and so, there seems little need to go through all the rigorous conversion process for a faith I am not even remotely interested in becoming a member of. My parents were Christian and my father stopped attending religious services after liberating the Auschwitz Concentration Camp! My religion suits me just fine, it feeds my soul, nurtures my heart, mind, body and soul. I truly wish all could feel as I do. But to those who knock on my door and offer me the WORD, I am right back there with them, being one of Freya's Witnesses! by the way ...Did you know that Odin hung on Yggdrasil for nine days and his his drops of blood became the Holy Runes! Praise Odin! I would talk with more of this..but I only do that if I think that you matter. guess what.. you do not matter. Now excuse me I must spread that "Truly OLD Time Religion!"
You know it is good enough for me!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!