Empty Vassals and Poisoned Chalices
From the desk of Gene Miller on Tue, 2006-11-21 11:03
Upon learning the camp of France's Socialist candidate for president has offered up a choice to the United Kingdom:
Ségolène Royal, the Socialist candidate for the French presidency, wants Britain to choose between being a "vassal" of the United States, and embracing a French-led drive for European integration, her adviser on Europe has revealed.
He demanded efforts to integrate foreign policy and cast that struggle in searingly anti-American tones. Mr Savary said: "The question that needs to be asked is – do we want to be vassals of the United States, do we want to be a 51st state?"
We are duty-bound to help in the decision-making process of our UK brothers and sisters. A couple of facts to help kick-off the debate:
Source, Eurostat
Source, OECD
Tough choices indeed. Let the nuance begin.
France has 751 colonies
Submitted by Flanders Fields on Fri, 2006-11-24 20:04.
Before accepting Royal's ambitious plan for European interegration, maybe the other countries should see what capabilities she has to intergrate the 751 parts of France that are no go zones for the government. This is explained near the center page at: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
It is only France
Submitted by Flanders Fields on Fri, 2006-11-24 03:19.
It's obvious that France has the ambition to be the sole leader in Europe. It only intends to acknowledge those who agree with its supreme leadership. It has acted that way prior to when the EU was initiated and will continue to do so.
The truth is that without France there might be room for constructive dialogs and movement, instead of stultifying insistence on unjust farm subsidies which take up much of the budget that is not wasted in more glamorous ways. It is England which seems willing to compromise in realistic fashion. If England withdrew, it would be a matter of time before other European countries would recognize France's Napoleonic aims and seek England's protection. I think England's withdrawal from the EU would kill the EU, while improving England and the rest of Europe. The EU is merely a substitute for France in its present way of operating and that is why so many reject it. France will always be lost because of it's selfishness and self-glorification, as if it is the only one to determine benefits France receives while everyone else pays the tab.
Royal Diplomacy
Submitted by Flanders Fields on Wed, 2006-11-22 21:43.
Mr. Savary certainly has a way with words. As the Telegraph article points out, he has no reservations telling that little upstart island what they must do, or else face the consequences: "We on the continent have the right to deplore the fact that Great Britain appears to consider the Channel is wider," he said.
Miss Royal was confident that "Europe can be relaunched with Germany, Italy and Spain."
At least she seems to admit that Europe is sunk.
The problem is that she wants the ones who pulled the plug on the boat to be the admiral.
Get the Concrete!!!
Submitted by FLLegal on Thu, 2006-11-23 04:01.
"We on the continent have the right to deplore the fact that Great Britain appears to consider the Channel is wider," he said.
If I were England, I would fill-in the "chunnel" with concrete. In the long run, Britain would be better off.
No Thank You
Submitted by Lazarus Long on Wed, 2006-11-22 05:59.
Dear France
Thanks but we do not want or need any more bleeding hearts. Besides we have too many draining the public teat now. By the way the so called Middle America you keep hearing of has no desire to save your country for you again. Therefore, do not be suprised to find your calls go unanswered. Good luck, best wishes.
The Average American
Your vassal or my vassal
Submitted by Flanders Fields on Wed, 2006-11-22 00:51.
With the present democratic "leadership" in the US, I think she should appropriately have called England to ally with France and the US under the tri-colors; white, off white and yellow.
Unfortunately, I think the leadership in either place whether leftist or "pretend not to be leftists", will continue to promote further immigration. There is no serious leader who proposes or shows that they are aware of the undesireability of immigration without assimillation to the customs and culture of the emigrant countries by the immigrees. Why are they disregarding that wish from the primary populace?
I don't think the population in either France, the US or England object to reasonable, orderly and lawful immigration of a number of immigrants who will learn and assimilate the culture and learn to respect the citizens and the culture. Why is it being imposed on the citizens by the leaderships of each of these countries? Are the differences real between the leaderships or is it sham, to mask common aims that are goals previously laid by the leaderships. It doesn't seem to affect immigration non-policies no matter who succeeds to leadership.
Alternate advance
Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-11-21 23:10.
"Ségolène Royal wants Britain to choose between being a "vassal" of the United States, and embracing a French-led drive for European integration."
Classic saleman's trick: "Do you like the green one, or perhaps you prefer the blue?"
Neither, thanks very much.
Blair will be gone by Easter (possibly sooner if Yates of the Yard really has got the goods on him). If Ms Royal thinks she's going to get any change out of Brown or Cameron, she's got another think coming.
Bob Doney
Prior to 1904 the country
Submitted by Voyager on Wed, 2006-11-22 09:39.
Prior to 1904 the country Britain was most likely to fight was France; in fact it ended up being allied to France to fight Germany, which had always been its ally since Frederick the Great, twice in 40 years. British soldiers under French generals in 1916; British soldiers under French generals in 1939-40. The natural ally for Britain in Europe is Germany, followed by Poland - the usual enemy is France because of its Atlantic and Mediterranean Coast.
France tried to take Britain down in May 1940 by asking Churchill to transfer the rest of RAF Fighter Command to defend France which had lots of new US fighters in hangars............Dowding stopped Churchill throwing away Britain's air defence reserve.
France wants Britain humbled; it thought it had Germany under control through the EU but since Unification Germany has become unpredictable and under Merkel more pro-US and away from Russia which looks increasingly like a Schroeder-Chirac mistake to ally with Putin.
Britain should look after its own interests - sometimes it helps to tilt towards the USA, other times towards Europe..............but it should bind Germany into an alliance with bi-lateral military cooperation over and above German paratroopers training in England.
France sees itself as leader on the non-aligned, the Third World, and anywhere it can find a scrapyard to cobble together a Heath-Robinson policy to oppose the US. Sarkozy says he is different, the world certainly is...............but Britain should start to design its own way and stop importing half-baked US policies and political advertising - it is time to return to being a sovereign state rather than a satrapy
We are duty-bound to help in
Submitted by Voyager on Wed, 2006-11-22 10:00.
We are duty-bound to help in the decision-making process of our UK brothers and sisters. A couple of facts to help kick-off the debate:
Source, Eurostat
So Britain did not even merit a mention on your graphic................well it is only a little island like Puerto Rico
UK?
Submitted by Tiny Dancer on Wed, 2006-11-22 19:29.
Why would they include the UK in the charts? The camp of Mdme. Royal made the comparison between the US and a French-led Europe. The UK should see the two choices put before them by the Socialists, the US and France.....
The camp of Mdme. Royal made
Submitted by Voyager on Wed, 2006-11-22 20:00.
The camp of Mdme. Royal made the comparison between the US and a French-led Europe.
Exactly...........as you stated EUROPE not France. You might note that France is a country, a republic like the United States..............but Europe consists of 26 countries French-led or not...........so comparing France with the US seems a bit odd....................you might also note that abbreviations of Madame are usually "Mme."
The French dream of having strong military partners to lead
Submitted by Zen Master on Tue, 2006-11-21 22:08.
It is always the French dream of having the strong army of a new ally to lead into war. They seemed to have the Germans lined-up, but the British seem to have a stronger army. The French have little interest in seeing their army get chewed-up in a war larger than the rag- tag rebels of the Ivory Coast. Unless I missed reading the equipment, uniforms, and elan of the French troops in their Ivory Coast adventure, they were Foreign Legion, not the regular French army and not French citizens.
They want to split up the US- British alliance and at the same time have a strong ally with courage. The French ‘poodle’ leading the tough British bulldog. The way the French are heading in the E. U., they will start a new trade war that will end badly for them.
Vassal of Fwance
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Tue, 2006-11-21 21:38.
I don't think we are forced to subsidized US inefficient farmers. The choice is to be a vassal of Fwance or more of a vassal of Fwance.
France is one post I wouldn't hitch my horse too!!!!
Submitted by FLLegal on Tue, 2006-11-21 22:47.
"Savary said the goals should include convergence of tax and social security systems and talks on a "European army" that would not replace national armies." Taken from Telegraph article.
If Britain joins with France, then the British taxpayer can help shoulder the burden of France's socialist welfare state and perhaps prolong the day of reckoning, i.e. bankruptcy.
Misery loves company and why go down alone.
France is one post I wouldn't hitch my horse too!!!!
I guess that is something Texan George Bush would say!!!
Both flags same colors yet French colors more prone to run
Submitted by FLLegal on Tue, 2006-11-21 22:54.
Americans are leaders in military technology.
France are leaders in surrender technology.
Tough decision for Britain.
Voulez vous couchez avec moi...
Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2006-11-21 21:03.
Considering the "successes" and failures of the French military in the past century, we all know why they would love to have Britain as part of her scheme. Who would be the "core" of this new European army?
Lions led by donkeys, mmmm hmmmm.
looks more like ummah than 51 state
Submitted by buccaneer on Tue, 2006-11-21 19:03.
With an ever increasing Muslim population (about 20 % already now and supposed to double in 20-30 years?) it looks anyway more like France is becoming a full member of the Ummah than becoming the US' 51 state.
So I wonder what they mean with embracing France's way.. becoming part of the ummah, hmm? Anyway I wonder what foreign policy they have on their mind if they can't even enforce law and order on their own territory.
A real Commie
Submitted by McMad on Tue, 2006-11-21 18:11.
This woman is Stalin in disguise. She already acts like a self-proclaimed leader of Europe. In her vision its not just European Union but Union of European Socialist Republics.
Well, a Chinese businessman (who created China's equivalent of Ebay) claims that France is more communist than China
I think i agree!
As for me personally, i'd rather live in the 51st state of USA than in a Socialist Empire led by France.
The French make it easy
Submitted by Frank Lee on Tue, 2006-11-21 16:26.
The French make it easy for me to promote my political agenda, which is to pull America out of its military alliance with Western Europe. If I were a lefty conspiracy theorist, I'd assume Madame Royal was actually an American spy planted on French soil several decades ago with instructions to impersonate an arrogant French politician bent on allienating the Americans so that they leave NATO.
Links
Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-11-21 12:53.
I'm dying to know what will help the UK's decision-making process. Unfortunately the links don't work.
Later: working now. Thanks.
Bob Doney