Will the French Grasp this Nettle?
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Wed, 2006-11-22 13:10
It has now been found that in Australia an A$4,000 (about U.S. $3,600) maternity payment introduced by the Government in 2004 has helped to accelerate the nation's birthrate with more than 10,000 extra babies born in the past year. […] [Implementing a policy like this], however, would call for a great deal of political courage in Western Europe if it were to be helpful and not harmful. The survival of national identity would be the major purpose of the exercise. To avoid being counter-productive, [maternity payments] would have to be given only to people who are an authentic part of the nation and its culture.
To give grants to unassailable and hostile immigrant communities as a reward for breeding more would produce the opposite result to that intended. […] At present I can't see any Western European government grasping that particular nettle (except possibly the French, who for all their fault have a streak of realism when the chips are down).
Sterilize them...
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Thu, 2006-11-23 17:08.
...as soon as they come off the boat. If they don't like it, they can crawl back to that a**hole of the world from whence they came.
Of course, no government is going to do this, however, it is a better alternative to civil war.
Authentic
Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2006-11-22 15:27.
"people who are an authentic part of the nation and its culture."
So in the UK cricket-lovers would get the grant, jazz fans wouldn't? Is that the sort of thing? I hope he knows that Britain's favourite food is curry!
Bob Doney
survival of national identity
Submitted by Armor on Wed, 2006-11-22 14:36.
As long as western governments keep organizing mass immigration, I don't expect them to look for ways to lower immigrant birth rates and increase European birth rates.
birth subsidy
Submitted by markpetens on Wed, 2006-11-22 14:26.
If you want strong families to survive, it is best to have no birth subsidy at all, since these strong families will be the ones paying for most taxes anyhow. By giving out only maternity payments to a certain class of people, you will only increase resentment between different societal classes, not really a nice side-effect to be happy about. In short, let the natural order of society thrive, by being hands-off as a government.
Easy solution
Submitted by Chris Bering on Wed, 2006-11-22 18:22.
Give medium bonusses for the 1st and 2nd birth and a huge bonus to mothers when they have their 3rd child. Nothing for children after that.
Give the bonusses as non-transferable tax reductions.
For the 3rd child, I really mean a *huge* bonus.
Like exempting half the work income from taxation for several years, beginning on the child's 1 year old birthday. This could continue for 5 years, maybe with the tax exemption being reduced every year.
This should be combined with a general reform of the daycare system. The subsidies should be removed and daycare should be completely privatised.
The result would be that high income women would earn money bearing children, and low income women would break even or earn a little money if they could get grandparents and older siblings to do child care.
Freeloaders, including 80+% immigrant women, would get nothing.
The brilliant thing is that it hits muslims the hardest. On top of their general fear of work, the men have this idea that their women absolutely shouldn't work.
First of all these programs
Submitted by sonomaca on Thu, 2006-11-23 00:30.
First of all these programs (ie, Australia, Estonia) aren't going to make a huge difference, just postpone the inevitable.
If you insist on designing such programs, clearly the rich would have to get much bigger bonuses than the poor.
If your intent was to avoid a concomittant increase in Muslim fertility, but in a PC way, you simply mandate that eligible citizents will be only those which have a minimum of 3 native born grandparents.
Done right, it *will* make a difference
Submitted by Chris Bering on Thu, 2006-11-23 18:21.
Sonomaca, I'm talking on the order of 100k+ euros in total bonusses to a middleclass working woman, if she has 3 kids.
Sure, a rich business woman with a huge salary will get even more, but what's wrong with that ?
It's always the middleclass that matters.
The removal of all other child subsidies and the public daycare system will pay part of the program, while giving families the freedom to use their enginuity when deciding on daycare. This makes the childcare industry lean and dynamic with higher reliance on the family as an added benefit.
Btw, there's nothing PC about your "3 native grandparents" requirement.