Raped in Oslo

The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital Oslo is six times as high as in New York City. I’ve written about the issue of rape and Muslim immigration so many times that I am, quite frankly, a bit tired of the subject. But as we all know, problems don’t disappear just because you are tired of talking about them, so here goes.

There has been an explosive increase in the number of rape charges in the city of Oslo, but both the media and the authorities consistently refuse to tell us why. They did do so, however, in 2001, when two out of Norway's three largest newspapers, Aftenposten and Dagbladet, reported that most of these rape charges involve an immigrant perp, which again mostly means Muslims. Both newspapers have since then conveniently “forgotten” about this, and have never connected the issue to Muslim immigration although the number of rape charges has continued to rise to historic levels. They are thus at best guilty of extreme incompetence, since their former articles about this issue are still available online.

Norway’s Minister of Justice from 2001 to 2005, Odd Einar Dørum, mentioned the problem in 2001 but has later gone quiet about the issue. The reported number of rapes in Oslo is now six – 6! – times as high per capita as in New York City, yet the media keeps warning against Islamophobia.

According to Aftenposten, the clinic (voldtektsmottak) at the emergency hospital known as Legevakt has never had so many rape victims to treat. Its ability to care for them all is being severely tested. The number of reported rapes has skyrocketed this year.

Two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily. Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in 2001 said that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

the core reason

arabic/north african/persian/asian non-white men are genetically inferior to european men. bottom line.
that is an upsetting statement because we all know it is true, if it wasnt, it wouldnt cause a reaction.
they fear women, all women because they are weaker physically, mentally and to their horror, sexually, especially to european women. they hate this, they fear it and this is the core reason behind the development of their oppressive and abusive 'culture' and religion. they have established laws and rules to subdue women because they are ashamed of their genetically inferior position. without these perverse laws women could easily assert their dominance over them.
blame mother nature or god, whichever, but is just a fact. the oppresive nature towards women in many asian cultures is based in the same thing.
before christianity, european women had all the same rights as men. pagan women could rule, own property, divorce at will etc. why? because we dont fear our women, or any women for that matter. we are very confident in our mental and physical genetic nature. it is just a biological fact. we are genetically superior. the nazis bringing these claims to the forefront was threatening because it was true. the japanese claimed the same genetic superiority as the nazis did but nobody was bothered by that because it was a laughable claim. if arabic men were to claim racial superiority the planet would laugh, especially european women, they know this and they hate this. the rapes are the manifestation of their anger at their inadequacy. they are a scourge to our superior society. we easily could brush them aside and end this perverse subhuman behavior, they could not stop us, but it is up to us alone. western civilization has done nothing but progress and grow. do we allow this cancer to grow amongst us? superior genes produce superior intelligence and thus culture. do we really want these weaklings assaulting our women and ruining our standard of living? they cant help that they are weaker and vile, nature cursed them, but it is not our fault, but if we allow them to continue it becomes our problem. the lion can easily swat the fly from his eye, but will he choose to do so?

Correct

All it takes is the right person to start a movement against all this crap. And then they will be history. I hope to see it sooner rather than later. It is close.

Muslim rapists need to be castrated

    Moslem apololists like Unni Wikan should be fired from mainstream universities and only be allowed to teach in madrasses where they can continue to kiss Muslim ass. Only a raghead sycophant would blame Norwegian women for their own rapes because they dress provocatively.

   As for the rapists themselves, I wouldn't  mind seeing the loved ones of the rapists cut off the rapists dicks and shove them into the rapists' mouths, followed by a mandantory prison sentence of twenty years to life depending on the amount of violence involved.

    And if there is any confusion as to how these thugs should be treated in prison, I encourage the Norwegian authorities to contact the brave Americans in charge of Abu Ghraib. 

Obtaining statistics

Where can one obtain the official Oslo rape statistics? Just need to obtain them for someone I know who only follows MSM.

@ Yggdrasil

I should hope that Norwegian women don't expect their brothers and fathers to fight for their honor.  Norwegian women have spent the past four decades insisting that they can be as independent as men and are in no need of special protection.  I only hope that, having talked the talk, they will now walk the walk and stand up for themselves.

Frank Lee

I wish it would have been enough just to stand up for ourselves, but unhelpful women like Unni Wikan telling others that we are the ones in need of adapting to muslim culture are really spoiling it. In the 70's they marched but today the very same feminists are not showing any interest in basic rights that muslim women are denied from their husbands, nor the increased danger of being a female infidel. Those of us who do utter our dispair are branded as racists in PC Norway. I cannot see how increased policing would help either unless we fill the streets with coppers. It is the attitude that needs changing and this can only be done by stopping the number of spouses being brought into Norway. 80% of Pakistanis in Norway marry someone from Pakistan. Most of them are first cousins. There is even a village there called "Little Norway" where they are just waiting for their marriagevisa. By keeping this going we are never getting out of the "first generation" problem. They don't integrate "over time" nor do they suddenly start to appreciate our wonderful democratic and open society. They do not want their women to have that much power because it will be too difficult to control them. So by our current open borders we are reinforcing the culture gap until of course, they become so numerous, that we are the minority. The Danish got it right by increasing the "bring your spouse to Denmark" age to 24. But then, they were always just that little bit tougher than us.

Are the rapist muslims and the victims white women?

For those who didn't follow the link to Norway's main newspaper "Aftenposten", please see the article here. This article was from 2001 and we know it has gone a lot worse since then...

"Oslo rape statistics shock
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.

Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context.

"Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation," Larsen said."

As far as I know they no longer make these figures available to the public. Possibly out of fear of potential reactions. But anybody reading the papers cannot have failed to notice that the frequency of horrific gangrapes of Norwegian girls has intensified to such an extent it is hardly regarded as big news any more.

Norwegian girls don't expect their fathers and brothers to fight for their honour, they just want the freedom they once enjoyed to walk safely around the delightful city of Oslo back. Norwegian girls want a decent and non-violent people to inhabit Norway and they were never asked whether it was ok to drown Oslo in muslim immigrants. No wonder Swedish girls have started to dye their hair dark. So if we all veil up, dye our hair and lock ourselves up in our homes, we should be just fine. And many muslim men would certainly agree this would be the only sensible thing to do since muslim men cannot control their urges and women are asking for it by being out without a male escort. Perhaps we are naive, but we dont' believe the "whole" society has gone bad. Norwegians are still not committing more crime than they used to. But when asylumseekers can gangrape their caseworker and STILL be allowed to stay, you could really blame us for asking for it...

Are the rapist muslims and the victims white women?

For those who didn't follow the link to Norway's main newspaper "Aftenposten", please see the article here. This article was from 2001 and we know it has gone a lot worse since then...

"Oslo rape statistics shock
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.

Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context.

"Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation," Larsen said."

As far as I know they no longer make these figures available to the public. Possibly out of fear of potential reactions. But anybody reading the papers cannot have failed to notice that the frequency of horrific gangrapes of Norwegian girls has intensified to such an extent it is hardly regarded as big news any more.

Norwegian girls don't expect their fathers and brothers to fight for their honour, they just want the freedom they once enjoyed to walk safely around the delightful city of Oslo back. Norwegian girls want a decent and non-violent people to inhabit Norway and they were never asked whether it was ok to drown Oslo in muslim immigrants. No wonder Swedish girls have started to dye their hair dark. So if we all veil up, dye our hair and lock ourselves up in our homes, we should be just fine. And many muslim men would certainly agree this would be the only sensible thing to do since muslim men cannot control their urges and women are asking for it by being out without a male escort. Perhaps we are naive, but we dont' believe the "whole" society has gone bad. Norwegians are still not committing more crime than they used to. But when asylumseekers can gangrape their caseworker and STILL be allowed to stay, you could really blame us for asking for it...

Rape

I would like to see more details on these rape statistics.  Just to say the numbers of rapes have risen dramatically can be misleading.  We need the complete story; who was the victim, the accused's relationship to the victim, and what constitutes rape in Denmark. 

Several years ago there was a poll that claimed that 1 in 4 American women were or would become victims of rape in their lifetimes.  But the authors of this poll characterised many things as rape, such as the 'victim' having consumed any kind of controlled substance, such as alcohol; a woman who gave into her husband's continued advances even though she didn't feel like having sex; etc. 

My guess is that many of these rapes occur between Muslim men and Muslim women.  I would not be surprised if many of the Muslim victims did not consider themselves to have been raped.  This may be labeled as such after the fact by Danish authorities, who have much more liberal views on sex and marriage than do foreign born Muslims. 

@LA

I think your guess

"that many of these rapes occur between Muslim men and Muslim women. I would not be surprised if many of the Muslim victims did not consider themselves to have been raped."

is completely wrong. You haven't been following the stories out of that region or you wouldn't be applying American "logic" to the situation.

Not that your point is not valid, but it is valid in the US. Idiocy of the left has prevailed there for too long. It prevails in both Europe and the US, but there is too much evidence of aggression from immigrants from Islamic countries in Europe. Statistics and facts are released in a time and manner the leftists in control in Europe want them released. Their present stance is to underreport and minimize in order to obscure what is happening. Meanwhile, more and more of their citizens are being raped and assaulted.

@ Yggdrasil

Do we actually know that this surge in rape is victimizing ethnic Norwegian women?  Isn't it more likely that the victims tend to be other Muslims--may, in fact, be women who are raped by the "husbands" their families have chosen for them from Pakistan, against their will?  If this is truly as big a problem as it sounds, and if it in fact is against ethnic Norwegian women, than I have to say that Norwegians are even more pathetically passive and self-defeating than I thought, if they've let the problem grow this bad.

What a stupid person, if you

What a stupid person, if you can't stop yourself from raping a woman because she shows her hair, you should go back to living in Saudi Arabia. I hear they punish rape victims there, you'll like it, scumbag.

I mean, seriously, the christians are bad enough with their moral policing, and now muslims are saying that it is the woman's fault when she is RAPED by a man? We need to do something to get these religious freaks out of the dark ages.

Repeat after me: Rape victims have NO responsibility for rape, the ONLY PERSON RESPONSIBLE IS THE PERPETRATOR.

What's next? Blaming a beheaded journalist for having such a juicy neck? "They couldn't stop themselves from beheading him after seeing that great neck. Beheading victims must take their share of responsibility for these beheadings."

It is just as absurd.

Immaturity & Ignorance & Hysteria

hagg ... you are displaying either gross immaturity, or a streak of AC/DC thinking.

In law, there are many shades of rape. If you don't know what I mean, then we can only conclude you know little about life, and even less about women.

To suggest rape victims have "no responsibility for rape" is almost the same as stating you believe women should not be considered mature adults, capable of adjusting to environments and situations, and making judicious use of their sexual powers. To you women are irresponsible creatures, so we should not attempt to thrust any responsibility upon them whatsoever.

As I don't wish to tax your brain, we'll limit the discussion here to male on female rape, and not include homosexual rape (of young men) which is also prevalent.

Clearly, you want a world where young and sexually attractive women can be left free to walk down the street wearing outfits that were really designed for the boudoir: displaying clitoris rings, rouge-enhanced nipples, and micro-dresses styled to attract admirers' attentions to their anal areas. You want women to feign fellatio or thrust their pelvises in order to attact the attentions of young men. You think one sign of a progressive society is the tolerance of young girls getting blind drunk then falling over in the street, with their legs wide open revealing tiny or no nickers under skirts that were too short to begin with.

Sound strange, unreal? Am I turning this into a caricature? Well, I don't know how old you are kid, but I can tell you, women living in Western cities have tried all these behaviours or fashionable options at some time or other since the late 1960s. I know because I have witnessed many of them.

Most men, on seeing such stimulating sights, would conclude such girls were gagging for sex that very night. In which case, hormones would kick in that are supposed to alter the male brain. That is what evolution means! That is how male sexuality works (which is not how limp-wristed wimps of The Guardian want you to believe). Such provocative female behaviour raises the potential for "rape" immeasurably. That is a fact of life, even in a socialist state.

If you are male, and confident he would remain unaffected or unmoved by such sexually provocative sights, then I must conclude you are a leftist girly-man who masturbates a lot, perhaps wears eye-shadow regularly, and likes to kiss his male-friends bye-bye.

So, what are you then? A Gin & Orange, or a Malt Whisky on the Rocks? Or, don't you know yet?

Sheer nonsense.

Mission Impossible ... People should be able to dance around naked if they want, without fear of being raped. You should stop blaming the victim, and stop justifying the rapists. You remind me of that sick Muslim preacher in Australia, talking about how women not wearing the hijab are "raw meat", and that this "crime" somehow justifies their rape.

I could care less if it a man or a woman that is raped, it is always abhorrent. Go back to Saudi Arabia, and take your rapist friends, since your kind are obviously not civilized enough to live in a 21st century society.

@ see #1

No I didn't as I was busy formulating a reply to Frank Lee, man did that hurt, and in the process I missed it, What was it?

@hagg

Your evident hysteria blinds you so much, you cannot read, interpret, and understand what people are actually saying on these comments pages.

Now, I am sure you are feeling all the better for your "hysterical scream in the corner." You have attracted attention; well done. But once we separate noise from the content, you are actually saying little or nothing that hasn't already been said on these pages on the topic of rape.

Nobody was blaming the victim, especially me. But you are not going to accept that, so we'll leave you alone to continue foaming at the mouth ... being reminded of sick Muslim ... eh?

Except for Fjordman's thesis that Muslim immigrants are disproportionately guilty of rape in European countries, what has Islam got to do with this discussion? What has Saudi Arabia got to do with the topic of rape? And, what is civilized about dancing in the street naked, especially in the 21st Century?

And finally, when you employ HTML tags in a comment, kindly remember to close them out, so you don't make a mess of everyone else's earlier comments. You failed to close out a 'strong' tag placed in your comment. See what hysteria does to your ability to think and act properly?

Restoration

Revolution as it is normally thought about would not be necessary to change the course that the world finds itself on.  The utopians are numerically smaller and they do not have a tremendous philosophical following.  They primarily have the advantage of hiding within multi-level interconnected and interdependent structures which they themselves have built and they maintain control of their first objective, communications and media.  They have the advantage, too, of knowing that disruption in one country will result in support by others of them internationally.

 

The requirement to accomplish overthrow of the existing order is truth and the ability to communicate it without interference.  That is their main fear and they go to outlandish lengths to suppress truth and the publics ability to hear it for a sufficient time.

 

Leadership which is concerned with maintaining social order and inspires trust is necessary in addition to truthful communication.  Leftists would not hesitate to start a war to maintain their control.  They can and do control extensive military resources along with tremendous financial assets.  Thinking that overturning them in one country would be sufficient is folly.

A primary consideration is maintenance of good structures in society while preventing in fighting which might erase gains. Some of what was instituted by them has had good results and the alliance of good people. Replacing while not keeping positive values for society is short term thinking. Restoration of historic personal freedoms for individuals and their supremacy over collectivists must be the goal.

 

 

What does the Head of the British Army think?

Below is an extract from an interview that Sir Richard Dannatt, the Head of the British Army, gave to Sarah Sands of The Daily Mail on 12 October 2006.

“We can't wish the Islamist challenge to our society away and I believe that the Army, both in Iraq and Afghanistan and probably wherever we go next, is fighting the foreign dimension of the challenge to our accepted way of life.

 

We need to face up to the Islamist threat, to those who act in the name of Islam and in a perverted way try to impose Islam by force on societies that do not wish it. In the Cold War, the threats to this country were about armies rolling in. Threats now are not territorial but to the values of our country.

In the Army we place a lot of store by the values we espouse. What I would hate is for the Army to be maintaining a set of values that were not reflected in our society at large — courage, loyalty, integrity, respect for others; these are critical things.

I think it is important as an Army entrusted with using lethal force that we do maintain high values and that there is a moral dimension to that and a spiritual dimension.

When I see the Islamist threat I hope it doesn't make undue progress because there is a moral and spiritual vacuum in this country. Our society has always been embedded in Christian values; once you have pulled the anchor up there is a danger that our society moves with the prevailing wind.

There is an element of the moral compass spinning. I am responsible for the Army, to make sure that its moral compass is well aligned and that we live by what we believe in.

It is said we live in a post-Christian society. I think that is a great shame. The Judaic-Christian tradition has underpinned British society. It underpins the British Army."

British Army's First Loyalty

The recent unprecedented public announcements, first by Sir Richard Dannatt, and then by his predecessor Mike Jackson, suggests to me, something is simmering in the background.

Mike Jackson also said -- when indirectly addressing New Labour's MoD -- that the British Army's first constitutional loyalty is to the Crown (the Monarchy) and not to the Government.

Those words were more than unusual; they could be construed as a veiled threat.

The British should take a leaf from the Thai experience, and encourage domestic use of their Army to kill off this creeping Communist insurgency, which is all that "New Labour" represents.

The much maligned General Pinochet of Chile is another example of how the leftist scourge always manages to force extreme reactions from those who happen to disagree with their world views. With the true left, it's always kill or be killed.

Simmering

What's "simmering in the background" is the fact that the forces have no appetite for fighting and being killed in Muslim lands. Which rather goes against some of the sentiments expressed here.

You will also doubtless have noticed the recent recruitment campaign to get more Muslims into the British Army!

@the combobulator

Dear Mr Doney

 

You do not need to trust me, with regard to a revolution. The only people capable of it are the military.

 

Back in the 70's there was a real fear that the British Communist party could come to power. In the event that they had been voted in there was a highly organised contingency plan which had been put in place by the military. I will not give the name of the General  who was tasked with organising this, but can say that every county in the country was divided up into areas, with each area coming under control of officers made up from the army, navy and air force.

When I talk of revolution, do not be misled into thinking that I exclude the military today.

Democracy V Revolution

For the reasons I gave earlier today, I do not believe we live in a democracy in the UK. When marcfrans states that democracy enables idividual freedom I would argue that one is only free providing one agrees with the ruling othodoxy. As we are all presumably aware, laws regarding freedom of expression have been passed which if transgressed mean re-education or imprisonment. Ergo, we no longer have individual freedom or democracy.

 

Whilst I agree that a revolution of the mind is necessary I do not believe this can happen at the present time, due to the near stranglehold the left has over the means of information. I cannot see this changing for many years and firmly believe that by the time it does, the demographic balance between whites and non-whites will have swung in favour of an ethnic block vote, thereby relegating electoral democracy to it's grave, from a white point of view.

 

This is why I am in favour of revolution. As to unintended consequences, who knows? All I can say is that whatever they may turn out to be they will be better than their alternative - sharia law.

 

The slow motion islamic coup that Europe is undergoing may be in slow motion, but time is rapidly running out if we wish to preserve what our fathers and grandfathers fought to preserve for our sake.

 

Can we vote our way out of it? I doubt it, the time for words and votes was 20-30 years ago, we were never given that option then and now it is too late.

 

 

@ Revolution

"This is why I am in favour of revolution. As to unintended consequences, who knows? All I can say is that whatever they may turn out to be they will be better than their alternative - sharia law."

This is a very dangerous thought indeed and a pessimistic one at that, what if (just for the sake of argument) the result of any such ill thought out revolution hands the advantage to the ‘Islamists’ then what?, although the problem is staring us in the face but thankfully, the rude awakening of 9/11 and 7/7 has applied the brakes, and the beast has slowly taken the turn towards the right direction, I don’t feel that it is necessarily all that gloomy if we all take positive steps towards eradicating this cancer amongst us, but at the same time, we cannot stand idle and be mere bystanders and allow it to happen elsewhere in the world to some other nations either and gather momentum, as it will only come back to haunt us.

"the demographic balance between whites and non-whites will have swung in favour of an ethnic block"

This would be cause for concern to many, are you seeking to remove all non whites from the UK or just the Islamists and Muslims? Are you advocating a white race based country?

For those who are interested in statistics;
Total UK Pop @ 2001 = 58,789,194 as per 2001 Census
Net Migration since 2001
Ethnicity Population %
White 54,153,898 92.1
Mixed 677,117 1.2
Indian 1,053,411 1.8
Pakistani 747,285 1.3
Bangladeshi 283,063 0.5
Asian Other 247,664 0.4
Black Caribbean 565876 1.0
Black African 485,277 0.8
Other Black 97,585 0.2
Chinese 247,403 0.4
Other Ethnics' 230,615 0.4

Non Whites 4,635,296 7.9%
Net Imm 02-04 %
Total 528,000 0.9
IND/BD/SL 121,000 22.92
Pakistani 40,000 7.58
Carribean/Blacks 119,000 22.54
Old EU15 39,000 7.39
AUS/NZ.CAN 77,000 -14.6
S.Africa 58,000 10.98
USA 7,000 -1.33
M.East 54,000 10.23
Rest(Inc New EU) 259,000 49.05

Net Immigration 05 185,000

Tot Growth> Im'gt Pop by Immigration only (exc Births) since 2001e.g.Pak was 747285, is 787285 now

TYPE Total Net %
IND/BD/SL 1,457,474 2.45
PAKISTANI 787,285 1.32
CARRIB/BLACK 1,267,738 2.13

The Total Net of Non White immigration from 02-04 = 334,000 a net increase of 0.57% of the total of 58,789,193 @2001 and a net % increase of 0.62% of the White Population of 54,153,898

The Breakdown by age groups is as follows and the interesting thing to note here is that the people from age group 45+ who might be thought to claim Benefits is actually a net outflow.
Note: Unable to columise, so please read across in rows,(2002 being 1st & All Ages as the first column)

Year All Ages 0-14 15-24 25-44 45+
2002 155,000 13,000 93,000 70,000 -21,000
2003 150,000 6,000 126,000 31,000 -13,000
2004 223,000 10,000 140,000 93,000 -20,000
TOTAL 528,000 29,000 359,000 194,000 -54,000

The above age analysis is a total figure including all immigration; one could pro-rata the various ethnicity figures accordingly using the breakdown given in the Net Immigration data.

London's Ethnicity: @Mid 2006

Figures have been extrapolated to Mid 2006 using Mid 2004 Population Figures and applying constant % change over 2yrs

Ethnicity %
White 69.05
Mixed 3.43
Indian 6.71
Pakistani 2.35
Bangladeshi 2.27
Asian Other 2.02
Black Caribbean 4.31
Black African 5.60
Other Black 0.83
Chinese 1.50
Other Ethnics' 1.91

Total Population 7,519m

So the indigenous Britons can breathe a sigh of relief, the non whites are still a drop in the ocean. Now what percentage of the Muslims are 'Radical Islamists'? I don't know where to get those stats from.

Backtracking KC?

King Cobra ... if I am reading this latest comment of yours correctly, then you appear to be backtracking from your earlier, lengthy comment (made about 1 week ago?) that I applauded.

Regarding your statistics. Remember, such figures can tell you everything, and yet nothing at all.

Most Brits would find a 69% white ethnicity in their capital city far from encouraging. When that figure was over 90%, London was a far more welcoming place, and more law-abiding.

You should be careful of lecturing people who can trace their English / Scottish / Welsh ancestry back to the Middle Ages about what should be considered an appropriate, non-White population in their own country.

Paul Weston's comment, to which you must be referring, did not call for the expulsion of non-whites. That is a figment of your imagination. Although, any expulsions that do occur at some future date will inevitably include non-Whites, because these are the main trouble-makers.

Trimming the Jamaican population would be good, as this would reduce the influence of the crime-syndicate, known as the Yardies. Culling the Pakistani immigrant population (which is incidentally something you have already called for) would greatly reduce the Islamist problem. Ousting Nigerians would put an end to at least 60% of the scams doing the rounds of the country. And ousting Bangladeshis would raise the average IQ level of Britain by at least 10 percentage points. All in all, fully justified acts of self-preservation and cultural assertion I would have thought.

You then ask, Now what percentage of the Muslims are 'Radical Islamists'?

Please un-confuse yourself! All Muslims are a problem. Radical Islamists just happen to be a large proportion of the young male population of Islam. They weren't born with different brain structures, or Type 'F' blood. It is Islam itself which is radical, not small groups of people within it. Islam is a free radical. It is a poison, and it is one-day going to be eradicated from Western countries.

As for other elements of Weston's desired "revolution," I believe he was alluding to the fact it is becoming just about the only feesable option we have left to deal properly with the Cultural-Marxist and Soft-Totalitarian menace. Meaning, the main thrust of any such revolution (i.e., directed against whites) would cause it to be predominantly political and only negligibly racial.

Clear now?

@ MI - Clarify

”That is a figment of your imagination. Although, any expulsions that do occur at some future date will inevitably include non-Whites, because these are the main trouble-makers.”

Are you back tracking or is it a figment of my non alcoholic state of imagination?

What are you saying my ‘non white’ wife a trouble maker? Damn man, she hid that one, from me, do you think, that is sufficient grounds for ‘divorce’?

“Now what percentage of the Muslims are 'Radical Islamists'?”

That was a double edged question, (like you I do keep an eye on the silent visitors) firstly, to ask any Muslims who might be visiting the blog, a soul searcher and secondly, just keep the discussion going about the Muslim problem and the solutions, in case some of the politicians visit the blog.

As to the point made by Weston, I personally don’t feel that despondent, I have been working on this issue for sometime, I have even written to the PM and his recent speech, has encouraged me, be it ‘gesture politics’, I am going to keep at it, providing facts, but you must accept, I can’t be of a closed mind hence my attempt to openly discuss matters, otherwise, I could be accused approaching matters with a one track mind by the Muslims.

My personal opinion (2 pence worth) is that all these people including Sir Green, to whom I have recently written (no reply, now there is a surprise) have their own agendas and they have no intentions to actually resolve matters. Lot of Talk No Action.

I am prepared to call a spade a spade (not in a derogatory fashion, as that would be a slur on my character) and have never backed down, I don’t advocate violence as I have made clear before, but I am ready to go to prison for my principles.

I often say to a lot of Islamic Radicals, you can never convert my ‘Soul’ to Islam; therefore any victory you might claim by forcefully converting anyone will indeed be a hollow one.

A victory is a true victory, when the Soul is won over. Try winning people’s mind and souls by your actions, just like what I was brought up with “One can only command respect not demand it”

And to a lot of disillusioned good people I say ;

If ‘Evil’ stays true to its nature, then ‘benevolence’ should double its effort to outwit evil, not come down to evil levels, as it is exactly what evil desires, to tarnish good, to fall from the 'Dias of Grace', then Evil prevails.

PS you are right, I find a lot of people raising the issues but no constructive,structured and pragmatic solutions (except violence) are debated, as I said in my previous (bananas#1) No amount of hiding behind the 'blogs'(Niqab) is going to help.

klarifikation

Yes King ... both you and I well know just how damned desirable and satisfying certain (Durga/Parvati style) non-White ladies can be. Talk about poetry in motion! Trouble? Well, that's women for you everywhere isn't it. Can't live with them (sometimes!) and surely cannot live without them.

Heck, if your goodly lady is still hiding things from you, then I guess you've still got many glorious evenings of discovery ahead of you. Hehe. Better stay clear of the alcohol!!

I'll let you into a secret ... I still think the Sari is the most fantastical creation that ever adorned a lady.

As for the present state of Britain; you may recall that a French bard once quipped (during the 1980s actually) that ... "England has become the laboratory of Europe."

@ MI

I agree on all counts, the only trouble is whenever mine goes out in that 'fantastical' creation, she gets picked on, so it now has been confined to the museum of art affects in the attic, only those who understand the deeper aspects of this creation and it's seductiveness will appreciate its true potential, as they say anything 'novelty' is an acquired taste.

If by becoming a laboratory means to lead the way, then I don't mind, however, it is the French kind of laboratory that would be of more concern to me.

I haven't been near that mind polluting stuff for almost forty years, I am a control freak, need all my faculties functioning, in order to be on 'terra firma'.

Backtracking No Chance#2

@MI

Contd...

"The other major weakness within the makeup of Muslims is that they don’t develop as free thinkers (admittedly not all) and apply their own judgement to any given situation as to them Islam is the thought and Mohammed did the thinking for them, they live and breathe Islam, they have never tried thinking outside the box, hence they are inward looking people thus limiting them in being progressive i.e. outward looking. Yet, there are some extremely intelligent and progressive Muslims who are gagged by the minority of thugs and loud mouth religious leaders with huge following of the masses of brainless followers, their unfounded fear is, that things will get out of control and their own positions within the community will be untenable, so the stick is used in the form of ‘Fatwa’ and religious bigotry.

The most pertinent thing that is at the heart of all this, is that the Muslims have shunned modern Education in preference of their outdated religious ideology, due to ignorance preached by the Imams and other such religious leaders, one is not allowed any free flight with one’s views etc, they are consistently, tortured in a mental capacity and physical atrocities aren't far behind.

A case in time is the Author Salman Rushdie, who misjudged the climate so badly that he is still paying for it even today.

"Rahman

I agree with your assessment about the issues raised, but what I would like to ask is who is going to stand up to the so called Nutters within the Muslim community other then the Muslim community itself? It is something that has to be eradicated from within and the decent law abiding Muslims must face these lunatics and throw them out of the community.

Does Islam have such provision within its domain? Do you agree with the statement that “Muslims must do more” to fight the radicalisation of Islam and stem the flow of Muslim youths being brain washed by the extremists and using them to fulfil their agenda?

I think people would welcome an inclusive and informed debate but the one thing that becomes apparent very quickly when debating “Islamic” issues is that no one can voice any thing against Islam as perceived by those participating, as the opinion of non Muslims doesn’t matter. Rarely, have Muslims entered into debate on a rational basis it has always been “In your Face Aggression” type of participation, followed up by a demonstration and some kind of threat (Fatwa) or burning of flags and riots, this makes me despair that how can someone ever engage with the Muslim community on a rational basis?

You seem to be a rational type so you wouldn’t take it as an offence when I say that people generally pussy foot when dealing with matters “Islamic” as they fear the threat of violence and associate the Muslim community as an inward looking one as they do not encourage debate or change, a recent Dispatches documentary on Channel Four about the rights of Muslim women to pray in the Mosques in British cities demonstrated this.

In light of the recent highly publicised issues like the “Veil” and so forth, the response from the Muslim community, - a common statement emerged that the rest of the us don’t “ENGAGE with the Muslim community why is it that the ONUS is left on the shoulders of the rest of us and why can’t they make an effort and ENGAGE with the people of this country.

The other ethnic minorities have successfully engaged with the rest of us and have no problems, the Muslim community accuse others in this country to pick on them but do they ever look in to their behaviour and understand why?, they don’t make it easy for anyone to engage with them, as they are a “Closed Community”.

Why is it, that Muslims never condemn, other Muslims who carry out terrorist activists as they disclaim responsibility of terrorism by other Muslims? Also why would Muslims not inform the authorities if they came to know of terrorism being planned by their fellow-Muslims? Could you help clarify some of these concerns that I have and shed some light "

MI> You can call the above a lecture, I'm hurt!!!!!! that could you even doubt me?

@ King Cobra

Hey the King, I was just checking. Just my nature. Stay cool man.

Despite the metaphorical pin-ball ricochets, we still appear to be making good progress on the Brussels Journal.

Ever noticed (see Who's online panel) how many "silent visitors" routinely tune in to BJ? The figure seems to be always above 200. Maybe they're all looking for inspiration ... or guidance.

Backtracking - No Chance

@MI

No Chance, on the contrary, I was giving out factual data to cheer up P. Weston, as to me his comment reflected a picture of extreme doom and gloom, and with too much pessimism, all most suicidal.

Just, as you have pointed out the key areas of action, it will make the likes of P. Weston a bit more hopeful, however, unless I misread it, and unlike you he was implying a Britain for the natives only, but if I somehow misunderstood it I will retract my question to him.

I haven’t attempted to lecture anyone, whatever gave you that notion, God forbid. And further more I can’t be confused about Islamists, I have studied their nature and ways for over nine years specifically and experienced it over 30 yrs or so, and as I said, I had been beating this particular drum for longer than most, rest have just woken up after 9/11.

Here is an extract that I had debated with a Muslim on a different blog but on the same topic, hope this will put your mind at rest and stop doubting my intentions.

“REPLY "HALAL"

The Difference is that your method is long and drawn where the animal suffers a slow and Torturous death, not a quick and humane death, in any case you conveniently left the rest of my questions out, haven't you got anything to say about the most pertinent and relevant abuses.???? Look up the dictionary for the meaning of progressive.

Why do you always consider the Muslims as purveyors and guardians of ‘Morality’ when the evidence the world over is to the contrary, your lot are up to their eyeballs in anything loose morals just that they hide it even from themselves, as they haven't the courage to own up to it , at a XMAS party on Sunday, I witnessed the morality of Muslims, there they were drinking, smoking, and letching after women (difference was that they weren't Muslim girls, they had conveniently left their spouses at home) so it makes it OK, and as it was done in the name of Christianity it make it right?

And as far being sexually promiscuous is concerned, not all Christians are either, and yet in your society, everything is suppressed and leads to heinous acts of barbarism against the person, in sexual terms, it is one thing, to have a book that forbids it and another to actually follow it, why then are the statistics of Rape and gang rapes in abundance pointing the finger at the Islamic community, the more something is suppressed the more evil, oppressive and immoral it becomes, and the more open it becomes, it stays clean and un oppressive. Is that why you lot keep your women in the veil, and oppressed so that the truth doesn’t surface.

You never had any answer to the previous acts of Islamic Morality that I put to you…

Muslims are still at it all over the world, they are involved in forcefully converting Hindu, Sikh and Christian school and college girls making them do shameful acts and videoing it and then blackmailing them to get their sisters and friends, or else they would go public with the material, this happens even in this country. So the Muslims shouldn’t accuse others of such demonic activities when they are the leaders in this field.

Please answer my question, can your lot ditch the barbaric activities inherently inscribed within Islamic texts and become progressive or not?

Can you say it openly that your lot will renounce violence against non Muslims?

And by the way no one is asking you to give up any morals, but only to dust off the preaching’s of hatred and violence from the Koran and come to the 21st Century. I wonder if you can be that first one and lead your people to the present instead of living in the Dark Ages?

Andrew,

Shan is just trying to defend the indefensible, and therein lies the problem with most Muslims, they can’t take constructive criticism, instead come out with some of the most obvious and blatantly ridiculous arguments in defense, instead of accepting the truth that there are bad Muslims as well as good ones, like any other community and condemning the wrong they inadvertently end up defending the guilty ones, hence exacerbating the situation, this seems to be an inherent weakness of Islam and its people.

And an example of this is demonstrated in Shan’s reply to my question, he comes out with accusations in his defense rather than either defending the argument by agreeing with it or condemning it by disagreeing with it, this is generally, the case when people feel angry with themselves for the actions of their kin folk in letting them down and feel, that the whole ‘religion’ is under scrutiny, and this is particularly applicable to people of Islamic faith, because ‘tolerance’ is not one of its strong traits."

...more

Doney makes sense.....

...once in a while.

@ Weston

The point of democracy is not "elections", but the maintenance of individual freedom.  Elections are just a tool on that road, but do not guarantee that outcome.  The only "revolution" that is needed is a revolution in the minds of people.  A 'mental revolution' that frees them from the ruling orthodoxy of moral relativism and sentimentality in contemporary western media and education.  

And Doney is right too about Zimbabwe.  The notion that someone like Mugabe would care about "his own people" is very naive.  Unless you were to interpret "own people" very narrowly as his immediate cronies who will do anything to keep on the gravytrain of his being in power.  Mugabe has misused age-old tribalisms (Shona versus Matabele, as well as anti-colonialism) to gain power.  But that power, once obtained, like most other African leaders he will never voluntarily 'give up', which means that elections there have become largely irrelevant and 'unfree'.  

 

Info on victims please

Mr Fjordmann, do you have any sources on the victims of these rapes, and whether the makeup has changed in recent years. In other words, how many are known to the perpetrators (partners, husbands, friends), how many are "white", how many are themselves Muslim? Anything like that. I only ask because in the UK most reported sex offences are perpetrated by family members or people known to the victim. This applies also to rape, and I wondered if that was also true in Norway/Oslo.

Can Norwegian citizens carry tear gas or other weapons?

If citizens could legally carry tear gas or pepper spray, it might deter some attacks. In America, some pepper sprays have a dye to mark an attacker. Some American states have ‘concealed carry permits’ that allow them to carry a pistol. If a rapist were shot, the news would travel back to his friends. They would think twice about raping some blonde Infidel woman, if they might get shot.

I know that carrying a pistol goes against most of the conventional wisdom in Norway and the EU, but times have changed. It’s a New World in Norway now.  Why be a victim?

Steynism

As he said regarding Switzerland and the US:

"An armed society is a polite society"

Crime and gun ownership would appear to be highly negatively correlated in developed countries (and probably developing ones as well).

Since I follow Fjordman, I know that Norway has heavily restricted free speech (the soft authoritarianism of PC necessary to enforce multiculturalism). In the US, we have the first amendment (free speech) and, should that fail, the second amendment (gun ownership). I don't think it's an accident that two follows one.

iceberg

" only a tiny fraction of rapes are declared by its victims "

And the number of rapes is only a fraction of what it would be if Norwegian women still went out as freely as they used to, before mass immigration brought cultural enrichment.

" The punishment for rape should be death. "

Although it is only wishful thinking, I would like some immigration lobbyist to be punished each time an immigrant commits a crime.

Not as free as we used to be...

20 years ago, I lived downtown on the east side of Oslo. It was the partytime of the 80's and every weekend was a good occasion to get severely drunk and walk unsteadily home on high heels in very short skirts. Today, this would be suicidal or "asking for it". However, many of the rape victims today are not drunk nor dressed in miniskirt. But they are the women of the infidels and therefore it is regarded as ok to rape them. Norwegians have never had a tradition for gangrapes, but muslims do. It can be done because they regard Norwegian girls as worthless. And they have fathers and older brothers and imams who will keep bringing them up with this attitude. As we seem unable and unwilling as a society to change this attitude, the rapes will continue. Oslo is ruined for blond girls who just want a fun night out. The party is over.

Tweeds

Weston, you must realize that there are still many tweeds who live in denial, which is why so much of this became established to begin with.  Tweeds are so open-minded that they cannot form a mental moral compass and they will invite those who are their own enemies into their own homes.  They don't realize that they endanger all their neighbors by doing so.  Their values are so relative that they are of kin to everything.  They are emasculated mongrels to intelligent thought.  Don't waste a lot of time feeding them when they bring up collateral issues of little significance.  They only disrupt serious focus.

Many are becoming aware but are overwhelmed by the magnitude and scope of the issue. They find it difficult to identify how it happened though they can open their eyes and see that it has. It is against most of what they have learned and been taught. The next generation will find it more difficult. You provide good thought.

Adaptation

The tools are being placed for transition from soft to a hardline.  Your speech rights are being limited, whether you consider it as aimed at you or at someone else.  The state can now enforce thought by limiting access to information as it has for many with the controlled media.  The individual is being reminded in not so subtle ways that their well being comes after the need to adapt to ways chosen by the state.  Businesses and individuals who do not comply with directives face financial burden and ruin. 

 

Many individuals who are capable of thought and resistance have chosen not to do so.  They feel they can escape by ignoring what has become obvious.  Leftist influence now faces them in their workplace, in their ability to walk safely down their street, in all social activities and every conversation they engage in which is not about sport teams or celebrities.  They cannot take a swim without checking as to whether average citizens are allowed at that day and hour.  The house you now own is truly being rented by your taxes which go in payment.

 

Some attempt to escape the problem by moving from their homes to another.  They soon find the same problems facing them there or soon will.  The individual is expendable in the search for global enlightenment.  Utopians are finally finding their utopia.  If you are one attempting escape, you had better do it by the rules and denounce your fellow citizens who attempt to resist(you will earn a mention in their publications).  Your turn will come if you dare express thoughts you learn to have.

 

We men are learning that we live in a multicultural society and that we must adapt to it.

@Pedantic Bob

Really, Mr Doney, you do let yourself down intellectually from time to time.

 

The right to vote in a democracy is so self evident it does not really need to be stated.

 

Zimbabwe is a case in point with regard to self destruction, but this is simply a side affect of Mugabe's desire to rid the country of whites, not his desire to deliberately ruin his own people. It is also a dictatorship in Africa and removed thereby, in my opinion, from intellectual discourse.

 

As to whether you can name hundreds of such countries I doubt very much this is the case. You appear to be overextending your capacity for discombobulation here.

 

By "us" I mean non leftists. Again, self evident I would have thought.

 

If you wish to pedantic with regard to "it would take a revolution" you have not, unless you were alive in the 19th century actually "heard" such rhetoric, although I grant that you may very well have "read" about it. In addition I think you will find that the Bolshevik revolution occurred in the 20th, not the 19th century.

 

And no, clearly I do not call for a "Bolshevik" revolution I call for a revolution from the right, not the left, or more pertinently a counterrevolution from the right to depose the slow motion, bloodless, ongoing revolution from the left that is the cause of so many ills currently affecting the West.

 

I thought my previous post was a good basis for intellectual discussion, your reply was certainly not that. Let us hope that others, if they wish, can add some informed opinion/argument rather than your usual pedantic nitpicking which as per usual ignores the main thrust of the text.

Nits picked

You say the right to vote is so self evident that it does not need to be stated. I only mentioned it as I am not clear what you think the point of a democracy is, and why you think a revolution would be desirable. Same thing with "we". If you are serious about calling for a revolution I wonder how you propose to control who takes part, and what its ends would be. Hence my comment about the Bolsheviks - a very small number of people who had very far-reaching effects. In organising your revolution what guarantees do the rest of us have that the Law of Unintended Consequences won't apply, and that the outcome won't be very different to the ones you desire? I need to know who "we" are before I decide whether to trust "you"! Quite a reasonable request, I would have thought.

I don't agree about Mugabe, by the way. He is waging war just as much against black Zimbabweans as white, and seems entirely reckless as to the outcome for all his countrymen. But maybe that's a discussion for another day and another forum

Oslo rape figures

If the rate of sexual assault in Oslo is six times higher than in New York City, and two-thirds of the rapists are immigrants, doesn't that mean that native Norwegians in Oslo are raping at a rate double the rate in New York City?  Since that is highly doubtful, we have to consider the possibility that these numbers reflect (in part) a surge in victims' willingness to report rapes, not simply a surge in rapes.

@Mission Impossible

You ask if we live under democracy or a soft form of totalitarianism. From the perspective of the UK I think it is quite clear that we do indeed, as you imply, live under the latter.

 

If the ideology of the elites in the UK and the EU were compared to any previous form of governance in the last century, then it could only be that of Communism.

 

Although, at present, it is obviously not hardline, it is Socialist, an ideology described by James Burnham in his "Suicide Of The West" as merely a stepping stone to Communism proper.

 

In order to have a fully functioning democracy it is necessary to have the following ingredients:

An educated electorate.

A free press.

Freedom of speech and thought.

An apolitical police force.

An apolitical educational service.

A cohesive society.

A society independant of government largesse which votes not out of self interest, but for the overall benefit of the country.

An honest government that tells the brutal truth rather than relying on lies, evasion, propaganda and brainwashing.

A government that represents the best interests of the indigenous population.

 

As we have none of these it is clear that democracy is just a token word in the UK today.

 

Furthermore, unlike Communism in Russia, our elites actually seek to degrade our culture and institutions. This a double whammy, I do not believe that any country, in the history of mankind, has ever had to deal with an undemocratic elite that actually seeked to destroy that which it presided over.

 

When one takes into consideration that an unelected EU commission (out of which 21 commissioners, 7 are ex communists) passes 70-80% of laws in the UK and that mass immigration was never voted for by the British electorate, democracy seems further and further to be simply a mirage.

 

I think that a fairly sure sign that a country is run under totalitarian lines is when the elites that control ALL the institutions relating to the dissemination of information - eg, Schools from primary to university level, and the media, engage in a process of propaganda and brainwashing based around marxist ideology, (which over the course of the last century murdered close to 100 million people). Even worse, any resistance to the social engineering program is met with threats of "re-education" or arrest.

 

So, yes, we live under totalitarian rule.

 

As to overthrowing it via democratic means, I believe this to be impossible. The cultural revolutionaries of the 60's and 70's know exactly how they gained power at the expense of the politically naive, tweedy old buffers previously running our institutions. They will never allow us to do that to them.

 

The scale of change is simply too large to be undertaken by democratic means, especially when one considers that there is no longer an electoral majority in the UK large enough to vote for change, assuming that is, that they are even aware of the necessity.

 

An entire layer of leftists need to be removed from the civil service, the media, the educational system, local governments, social services and the police.

 

IF this was possible a subsequent revolutionary mindset needs to be accepted by the populous at large in order to do what must be done to regain their country, culture and civilisation.

 

Could this be done democratically? Of course not. It would take a revolution.

 

I rest my case.

 

 

Democracy and revolution

Paul Weston: "In order to have a fully functioning democracy it is necessary to have the following ingredients"

You don't include the right to vote in this list.

"I do not believe that any country, in the history of mankind, has ever had to deal with an undemocratic elite that actually seeked to destroy that which it presided over."

Really? I can think of hundreds. Starting with Mugabe's Zimbabwe...

"They will never allow us to do that to them."

Who is "us"?

"It would take a revolution."

Now where I have I heard that sort of rhetoric before? Ah yes, nineteenth century Russia. Is that the sort of thing you mean? A Bolshevik revolution?

Who are the enablers

Who is it who joins in the rape? Leftist policy invites those who have that propensity, sets them loose within our societies, gives them benefits free of work to obtain them, excuses them before any crime happens and defends them when the crime occurs.  Leftist policy also punishes those who talk about them(leftists or criminals) by making "hate laws" to restrict and deny your speech, or at least make you think seriously about the consequences to you.  They muzzle those who are said by leftists to be your only approved source for free press and have made media and news into covens for leftist viewpoint, suppression of facts and entertaining propoganda for us and our neighbors.

 

You are the ones who allow them to continue the leftism which blind all of us and tie our hands.  You know how to stop it, but you don't.  You continue your support for their little rules and meekly accept their imposition.  You are afraid to stand up and stop it since there seems to be more of them.  You prefer to blame a pretty young girl from your own neighborhood who is enjoying her life and her individuality and who is a blessing for all mankind.  You don't place the blame where it belongs.

Deport Deport Deport!!!!

 That is the answer...Deport these goat f-kers and while were at it, deport Unni Wikan also, with his "tolerant" view!.....Hey Unni, It's not THIER COUNTRY!!!....It's NORWAY'S!!!.....Fjordman is right, this subject is getting tiresome...especially when nothing has changed for the better.....

 

 

Gang rape in London

http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_011904.htm

 

The above article links to the original in the Daily Telegraph. Subscription is required for the Telegraph, but the VDare article includes most of it.

 

That this was not a massive talking point in the UK is testimony to the power of speech control and media dis-interest/censorship.

 

When a black girl claimed she had been raped by Asian men in Lozells, Birmingham, riots immediately erupted on the streets. This was a one off report and was subsequently proven unfounded, yet the differing reactions between blacks and whites is startling.

 

When confronted with factual evidence of gang-rapes EVERY DAY in London, carried out in the main by blacks against whites the reactions were as follows.

 

The police tried to excuse the ethnic side of it, whilst claimimg it was irrersposible to have been printed in the first place.

 

Black spokesman/feminist spokesman said...nothing.

 

The Government said nothing.

 

The BBC and msm said and did ...nothing.

 

The whites, did nothing.

 

And so goes a civilisation, wrecked, decadent, emasculated, spoiled, uneducated, dependant, brainwashed, timid, corrupt and quite possibly utterly deserving of all it has coming to it.

 

OR, it is time, indeed overtime for counterrevolution...

 

Fjordman asks whether Islam is compatible with democracy. I would like him to write an article about whether he thinks liberalism, the consequences of liberalism, or even our very survival can be solved within a democratic framework.

 

 

 

Failure of Liberal Framework

'Paul Weston' ... you have asked Fjordman to apply his analytical and literary skills to the question of whether or not the consequences of liberalism, or even our very survival can be solved within a democratic framework. I am sure it would be a worthy read, although I believe he has already made several references to this problem in some of his earlier articles.

I am already on record for stating (as per the evidence currently available) it could never be.

But, when I did so, I made no reference to the obvious question: are we living in a democracy now; or are we already living under a soft version of totalitarianism?

For example, Tony Blair has attempted to denounce multiculturalism in public, but rhetoric will not remove the deeply entrenched multicultural influences in our Universities, our Board Rooms, the BBC, our Schools, Courts, Charities, NGOs, and of course the EU and UN.

It's getting near to that time when all we will have left to do is fight fire with fire.

The tip of the iceberg

We shouldn't forget that rape charges are only the tip of the iceberg.
Usually only a tiny fraction of rapes are declared by its victims - for shame.
Consider this and add a multitude of physical harassment and even more verbal harassment and you get the picture.
It's devastating and sick - and not just restricted to Norway...
Is the behaviour of a far too great number of today's male muslims to be accepted in our society - for the sake of the freedom of religion and equality of whatever culture?? Is the moral grounds of Westerners and Muslims really the same when it comes to condemning such acts? Sadly, in islam there are enough examples which do not inspire. Look at Mohammed and his followers. Anyone thinks that the wifes and daughters of the beheaded males of the Quraish clan were happy to "get married" to Mohammed and his followers right after the execution of their husbands/fathers?
Such shorttime "marriages" were a common thing to happen, once the Mohammedans had raided a carawan or locality...The mere conception of females as male properties which far too many Muslims adhere to and declare as part of their religion is sick. That's  why many Muslims prefer to put their daughters/wifes in sacks and females who don't walk around in a sack simply signal to them they got no owner, are "uncovered meat".

The choice is simple - Muslims have to decide to accept Western values or not.
Up to now many have decided not to. There was no need for that. Our governments kept and keep welcoming and granting social benefits to anyone, regardless of the benefit - and if at all - they contribute to our societies. 

One Step to the Sharia

“Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes”

Leftist idiots can be proud for having made the first step to Sharia with this sort of thinking. Just a matter of years and the rape victims will be jailed and/or harassed like in true-muslim countries.

@Bruno

Leftist idiots can be proud for having made the first step to Sharia with this sort of thinking. Just a matter of years and the rape victims will be jailed and/or harassed like in true-muslim countries.

Not only that, Bruno, but they will be stoned too!....

On Immigrant Rape in Europe

Immigrant rape in Europe is almost always distinct from intra-European rape, because it is communitarian in nature based upon:

  1. Differences in phsyical characteristics i.e. White victims, non-White perpetrators
  2. Differences in religious affiliation i.e. Christian, Jewish, atheist and agnostic victims, Muslim perpetrators
  3. Differences in socio-political values i.e. liberal and social democratic victims, authoritarian and theocratic perpetrators
  4. Group fetishisim i.e. of fair girls, especially blondes

Thus, this rape phenomenon should be viewed by us as it is viewed by those that commit it - as a group struggle, rather than merely as a crime committed against an individual. Indeed, every rape is a political act, one that is hostile; just as terrorism is distinct from a disgruntled employee "going postal."

@ Kapitein & @ Bruno

Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes

YES, they must! Young women everywhere ALWAYS have SOME responsibility for rapes in a peaceful society (i.e., that is free of war).

But, of course, what we are looking at now, in the case of Norway, is a simmering one-sided conflict, where the Muslim immigrant population have already declared war, and are using rape as a weapon of humiliation.

Kapitein, I do not disagree with what you have just posted. I think we have just both clarified some important points on this issue. You are indeed correct, this is a "group struggle." Fjordman need not feel embarrassed about writing on this topic again as it is indicative of so many other problems.

Another point, which might interest you, is that all this reminds me of the rape (of white women) epidemic that went on in England during the 1970s and 1980s, where the perpetrators were black immigrants from Jamaica, and other such places. Remember how that was swept under the carpet?

@MI:

Evidently, we do not have the time nor space to rewrite Western legal codes, especially those pertaining to crime. However, I agree that false rape accusations should be punished, although I stand by my reprise's severity w.r.t. murder and rape. I also agree with your discriminatory measures against rape committed by foreigners and newly naturalized citizens. Outside of the Americas and Australasia, I do not believe in "naturalized" citizens, for ethnic nationalism prevails beyond those so-called melting pots which can at best grant them the status of landed immigrant.

Reprise on crime and punishment...

Rather, first-degree murder, or the equivalent of murder with intent should receive an automatic death penalty, with life imprisonment (for the full duration of the person's natural life not 30 years) for second-degree murder, and 30 years for manslaughter.

 

With regards to rape:

  • 10 years imprisonment for each sexual act
  • 20 years imprisonment for each sexual act if it is deemed to be aggravated
  • Life imprisonment for the full duration of the perpetrator's natural life if the victims number more than one
  • Any charges of assault, etc., to be added on to the sentence imposed

W.r.t. early release on probation:

Reduction of up to one third of the prisoner's sentence if they are deemed to have "reformed" themselves according to a panel including representatives of the judiciary, police, government, criminology and psychiatry. "Reform" must go far beyond being a quiet prisoner...

  • The agreement to wear a tracking device at all times
  • The agreement for one's criminal record, personal information, and residence be publicized

W.r.t. "mitigating circumstances":

The only ones available are self-defense or defense of another, otherwise the perpetrator must take responsibility

Norwegian women responsible

"“Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes”"

He is right after all they are a the ones who vote in large majority for the socialist nanny multicultural pro-immigrant polits.  Maybe the answer is to have more goats in Oslo as decoys and let them roam free like they do with cows in India.

Punishment for Rape

Only when rape is followed by murder should the penalty be death.

The punishment for non-aggravated rape only (remember how easy it is for women to bring false allegations of rape ... several recent legal cases in British Courts have provided classic examples of this) should be roughly as it exists now, at least for indigenous males.

For all immigrants (illegal, recent, or legal within first 5 years) rape of an indigenous woman should mean imprisonment, compensation to the lady' family, followed by revocation of nationality, followed by repatriation to country of ethnic origin and a permanent ban on travel back into the country.

In any case, rape or no rape, all Islamic immigration into any EU state must be halted, and soon. Else, our ruling elites are going to face being strung from lamp-posts in the not too distant future. The people are getting angrier by the week.

Turkey's entry into the EU can GO TO HELL!! The idea is dead. You have to be nuts to still argue in its favour.

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P.S. I have never understood why a married woman, pushing a baby in a pram, should feel the need to wear a mini-skirt when going to the High Street to purchase groceries. This is precisely the kind of behaviour many western women are guilty of over three decades or more. We don't need the childish cult of Islam to tell us what is right or wrong. We have known all along. Western women have taken things too far, and they are going to be made to get back in line, or else there will be serious consequences. The proper place for mini-skirts is in nightclubs, private parties, and the like: not in the streets during daytime. It is high time older and more experienced men (helped by mature women) re-asserted their authority and put our societies back in order. That means putting our young women (under 35) back in their proper place in the pecking order.