Germany’s EU Plan: The Constitution Is Dead, Long Live the ‘Basic Law’
From the desk of Elaib Harvey on Wed, 2007-02-14 20:48
Sometimes I sit in my office and listen to the so-called debates in the Parliament chamber through a nifty little device hidden behind the ashtray on my desk. Yesterday was one of those times. The speaker was the President of the Parliament Hans-Gert Poettering putting forward what he would like to achieve in his period of office which runs until 2009 and the European elections. It appears he would quite like it to run a little longer than that, 1000 years maybe…
What got me is when through the simultaneous translation he said “Treaties are to be obeyed.”
Today I got the English transcript of the text from the Parliament interpreters who are given the text in order, sensibly, to make life easier for them,
No country, no nation of the European Union is to be left alone with its problems. But this also rules out national selfishness. Anyone who only serves the interests of his own country will ultimately squander these as well, because he will destroy the solidarity necessary for the defence of those interests.
Sorry I cannot see the causal link in this statement. If you defend your national interest you are condemned to failing in defence of those interests. I guess we should all give up and go home to allow those nice technocrats to run everything. What utter twaddle. It is true that sometimes actions that are taken in the national interest are taken without full knowledge of the facts, and sometimes these actions are counter productive, however to suggest that all actions in the national interest are counterproductive is sophistry.
We intend to help to ensure that under the German Council Presidency a road map and a mandate are agreed at the summit in Brussels on 21 and 22 June, as the outcome of which full implementation of the substantive core of the European Constitution will be in place by the next European Parliament in 2009. I would like to remind you that the Constitutional Treaty was signed by all 27 governments. Of course we have to respect the results of the referenda.
This is where things get really serious. Please note the comment about the 2004 signing of the Constitution in Rome. Essentially when a head of government signs up, really that is all there is there. As far as I can gather – and yes I do have this on good authority – the plan is as this:
Over the last few weeks German diplomats have been subtle arm twisting to get a text together for the Berlin March 25, 50th anniversary signing of a solemn declaration by the 27 heads of government. This solemn declaration is 95% written and is a great waft of well meaning guff about the continents liberal tolerant history and how all governments in the 27 are terribly nice, and how we all love fluffy bunny wunnys and kiddiewinks and motherhood and apple pie and so forth.
Then on the evening of the Brussels Council Meeting and International Woman's Day (8th March) at a dinner in Brussels the final phrases will be included. This phrase will commit the signatories to the ratification of a ‘basic Law’ which will replace the Constitution. It will be short, much less that 50 pages unlike the Constitution that weighed in at well over 300. The word Constitution will be expunged. It will, as Mr Poettering points out, contain the substantive aspects of the Constitution including the Foreign Minister, the Defence Minister, the end of vetoes in 47 separate areas of policy, and so on.
Interestingly one on the signatories to this document will be the new Dutch Prime Minister who is expected to announce his cabinet the previous week. This of course means that one of the countries with the biggest interest in the new Constitution will not have been able to discuss its position in time for him to make a decision, he will be bounced.
Poettering went on,
But regardless of that [the referenda results]: If a change of government in a country of the European Union calls into question what has been agreed, not only is society split in that nation, but our continent, which is quite complicated enough, is increasingly incapacitated. We must commit to our European legal principles: pacta sunt servenda – treaties are to be honoured. [not obeyed, but maybe the interpreter was more accurate than the prewritten text, I don’t know]
Eh, run that past me again. If a country votes for a government that opposes the Constitution – and yes he does mean the UK here, wake up at the back – then he is suggesting that the government, you know, the democratically elected one, has no right to recind a previous government’s position. Yes treaties should be honoured, but pacta sunt servenda, (article 26) though it requires good faith on the part of the contracting parties and does not require slavish devotion. Moreover, ‘no parliament may bind its successor.’
Currently the Swedish government is taking a lot of pressure to start the ratification process. Of course the only country where there is a constitutional requirement to hold a referendum is Ireland, but they do not envisage serious problems there. Poland is weakening, its Prime Minister who once said that Poland would never ratify the Constitution is now making noises about the need for a mini treaty. The new Government in the Czech Republic is no longer nearly as hostile to the idea (though how they will persuade Vaclav Klaus to sign remains to be seen). Slowly and surely all the countries will be expected to submit to the ‘basic Law’ of the community until there is one left in glorious isolation, yup that'll be the UK again. Then we will be told, ratify or leave.
Now if under the dubious enforceability of pacta sunt servenda, Mr Blair signs up on March the 25th in Berlin, and then follows this up at the June summit, he then leaves, with Gordon holding an impossible baby. He will try, no doubt, to force this through like John Major did the Maastricht Treaty. But I just don’t think that that will wash. He would be flirting with revolt. Is that what Mr Poettering was talking about when he said that societies may split.
In Response to George2
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Mon, 2007-02-19 09:19.
George2: "As far as I can see there is one thing that unites them: the Bible."
The Scriptures are but one of many facets of European culture, and for the purposes of this posting, "European culture" is the amalgamation of European national cultures rather than an actual, distinct or separate entity. Other facets include pagan traditions, Greco-Roman intellectual foundations, and the inability, for a variety of reasons, of any leader, people, government, military, religion or religious denomination, or social or ideological movement to unite the continent. Christianity adapted to pre-existing European traditions just as Abrahamic religion adapted to the realities on the Arabian Peninsula e.g. the emphasis on Mary which is derived from pagan Mother Goddesses, etc., the interpretation of God as one of war and Jesus as martial, and a focus on the three kings as a justification for princely rule in the Holy Roman Empire.
George2: "Neither the Bible nor Christianism [sic] has a patent on knowledge."
True. However, what Abrahamic religions and their monotheistic predecessor Zoroastrianism have that is relatively unique is the authority to make those aforementioned values binding. While nearly every contemporary society would have agreed with the temporal principles outline in Mosaic Law and the Bible, their values were based upon convention derived from individual agreement or the enforcement of such values by an individual or group over the rest of society. Convention could be disagreed with or overturned because it could not resort to a higher authority than a human being and a higher power other than the power of belief or of the sword. Abrahamic religions could rely on a higher authority and its delegation of power (auctoritas vs. potestias) which was literally set in stone and could not change with time or be changed by environmental conditions e.g. Roman rule.
George2: "It just happens to be that our value system, our culture is based on this book."
If so, then European culture is a transnational culture because religions are inherently globalist.
pacta sunt servenda: the value of a man's word
Submitted by George2 on Sun, 2007-02-18 14:46.
Treaties would be totally meaningless without this principle. When a nation is not sure about a treaty, then it shouldn't sign it. If you don't want to commit then stay out of it.
At the beginning of the second Iraq War, the US started moving military materiel from Germany through Belgium to the port of Antwerp to be shipped to the Middle East. The US could do this easily because they had a treaty for this with Belgium. However, there was this green bozo Belgian parlimetarian who opposed (which was his good right) the upcoming war in Iraq. So he proposed that Belgium would stop all military transport through its territory. If I remember well he even tried (and succeeded??) to prevent transports with some of his friend. F**k him: pacta sunt servenda.
Of course, everything depends on what is in a treaty, basic law or constitution. Nations across Europe are so different from each other. How can you possibly write a constitution for Europe? As far as I can see there is one thing that unites them: the Bible. Whether you believe in God, in one church (which I do not) or not has nothing to do with this. Our values and what unites us are based on the knowledge found in this book. By the way, this knowledge (or parts of it) can be found in other books too. Neither the Bible nor Christianism has a patent on knowledge.
It just happens to be that our value system, our culture is based on this book. This does not mean that we have to take the Bible as a constitution. Two weeks ago I proposed my version of the ten commandments. Ten commandments or not, the only way to come to some constitution, if this is deemed necessary, is by having some general statements that unite us. One page should be sufficient. It is something that actually would be read by the people and not only by some politicians high on political utopisms.
The resentment one can see across Europe against multiculturalism finds its roots in this: we are losing our values. We used to have a set of values and now we have (a) (many) different set(s). Change is not bad, but we shouldn't have change (being 'progressive') just for having change. If you want to murder (I am referring to the move from adolesence to adulthood) the old set of values then do it in a counscious way and all people should participate.
What we see is that so called 'progressive' parties are excluding so called 'extreme right' parties. These 'extreme right' parties came into existence just because people started to resent the changes in the value system that are taking place. And they are being ridiculed for this. The Belgian minister for foreign affairs calls these people 'shit bugs'. In stead of being respected, they are litteraly being persecuted (like the editor of this blog) by the others.
That is why a European constitution voted for by all its people would be important: the formal creation of a value system, something we can believe in. If it states, 'you cannot defend your own culture', well let's vote for it. And that's also why the Eurocrats do not want us to vote for it: it would be the end of their dream world paid for by those who are not allowed to vote.
Treaties are to be obeyed unless they are NATO treaties
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Thu, 2007-02-15 07:24.
"What got me is when through the simultaneous translation he said “Treaties are to be obeyed.”"
Unless, of course, these are NATO treaties regarding missile defense systems for Turkey when the US is getting ready to remove a genocidal dictator.