A Disgusting Travesty
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Mon, 2007-02-26 12:47
A quote from Daniel Hannan on his blog, 26 February 2007
Had it happened to anyone else, there would have been an earthquake of protest. A man is seized on unspecified charges, and whisked off to a court of dubious authority. He spends nearly five years in detention. He asks permission to visit a heart specialist, but it is denied. Two weeks later, he dies of heart failure, without having been found guilty of anything. Had the man in question been, say, a Guantanamo internee, there would have been angry demonstrations, questions in parliament, hectoring editorials in the Guardian. But because it was Slobodan Milosevic, he went to his grave unwept, unhonoured and unsung.
[...] As [John] Laughland shows, the International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia was a disgusting travesty. I would call it a kangaroo court, except that kangaroo courts are at least quick and cheap, whereas the ICTY is working its leisurely way through a $200 million a year budget. [...] Supporters of this growing international corpus of law argue that state sovereignty should not bestow immunity on tyrants. The trouble is that their purgative is worse than the original malady. Yes, some governments are authoritarian, in the sense that their leaders are not answerable to their peoples. But international tribunals, by their nature, cannot be rooted in the democratic process.
In Response to Oiznop
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Wed, 2007-02-28 07:06.
The international community did condemn the activities of Serb military and paramilitary forces, Kosovar ethnic cleansing being the final affront. However, the United Nations Security Council was powerless to execute let alone authorise military reprisals, due to the veto power wielded by the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China.
Therefore, only NATO was the only military force capable of deterring Serbian and Yugoslav forces operating in Kosovo. The involvement of the United States was obvious because: (a) Western European forces were integrated with Anglo-American forces operating on the continent and American forces could not be excluded anymore than the former Warsaw Pact could exclude Soviet forces; (b) the lingering principle of "collective security" and American ties to Europe meant that Washington had to support its "allies"; and (c) it was deemed necessary to flex American military muscle to deter any attempt at Russian or CIS interference, which invariably would be in support of Belgrade.
First-Hand Knowledge
Submitted by Carmela on Tue, 2007-02-27 19:21.
Aside from any crimes he may have committed, Milosevic understood first-hand the Muslim threat. U.S. involvement, thanks to Clinton foreign policy, served only to benefit those the American military are now fighting in the Middle East and provide them an opportunity to invade another European nation.
Also....
Submitted by oiznop on Tue, 2007-02-27 19:02.
Milosevic was a Socialist and a war criminal.....What was going on in the balkans had been happening long before he ever rose to power....Even before the communists rose to power.....That does not excuse his actions, but it's proof that this was not the U.S. nor NATO's war to fight......Again, President Bubba is to blame for that one!......
He feels your pain!.....
Submitted by oiznop on Tue, 2007-02-27 18:55.
NATO and the US seem to have really had no idea what they were doing when they entered the conflict...
You all can thank Bill Clinton for that!
On the ICJ Ruling
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2007-02-27 09:39.
I am pleased that the nation-state of Serbia was not found guilty of committing genocide. I am of the opinion that Belgrade was actively involved on two fronts, namely to maintain the Yugoslav state and to ensure that all Serbs in the former Yugoslavia achieved national self-determination in a united and homogenous Serbia. Over time, proponents of the former were both drowned out by nationalists and realized their project was impossible. I also believe that Slobodan Milosevic was responsible for those actions committed by all Serbian military and paramilitary forces during his tenure, whether by complicity or conspiracy, under the principle of ministerial responsibility.
However, neither he nor his country should be convicted of war crimes by the International Court of Justice because:
For these aforementioned reasons, I am also against the execution of Saddam Hussein. No such proceedings, including the Nuremburg Trials are legitimate; in contrast the trials of Charles I and Nicolae Ceaucescu were legitimate in the sense that they were conducted by their own people. Furthermore, at least the justice served to Ceaucescu and his wife was cheap and quick and did not seek to pretend as though it was an episode of Law and Order.
Guilty of Tablighi jammat; but case filed on serbians ?
Submitted by perfektm on Tue, 2007-02-27 16:26.
For those, who are unaware .... this report provides a bit data, or better say a dig inside what really Tablighi Jammat is.....
Ref : http://www.meforum.org/article/686
if we go deeper,
we will find most Bosnian Muslims follow Islamic brand called "tablighi Jammat's"...
a bit dig inside the proves that tablighi jammat(also rulling pakistan ISI) during Bosnia-serb problem had master mind and had suplied arms to the besieged Bosnians, they successfully airlifted sophisticated anti tank guided missiles which turned the tide in favour of Bosnian Muslims and forced the Serbs to lift the seige...
Ref : http://www.reference.com/search?q=Javed%20Nasir
dig inside Bosnian background shows, that Bosnian Muslims also share Nazi roots...
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html
By now we know, what is TAblighi jammat.. and we also know a bit about it...
infact calling for anhilation of other countries, as well as annihalation of countries the live in, or in dividing the country into peices and so on.... is nothing new for tablighis/Deobandis.....
In India too we had observed the riots during partation of india.... Muslim demanded a new country, where indian Hindus were against the division of india... British passed the Partation, and Muslim started slaughtering Hindus right on that eve ( common way of celebrating under islam )...
Serbians had no one to enforce the partation.. it is well known, that serbians were against the partation... and Bosnians wants a different land. the riots break out.. the goverment had taken action against guilty...
But just what we forgot is to bridge the things in Global Frame... we still study localized history in globalize world, ignoring that the same actors are repeating themselves in different countries.
In 2002, india had seen worse riots in her history, they were also due to Tablighis... who burnned a train full of hindus, today is 5th aniversary of that incident...
http://cultureforall.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-ashes-of-burned-train.html
the gujarat riots broke out, where Muslims were attacked back Hindu Majority, a phenomenon we also observed in during serb-bosnian conflict. and i do welcome the message that serbia is not found guilty in commiting genocide. I think Bosnians themselves have to look inside them too...
FOR YOU WESTERN GUYS, PERHAPS THIS WILL HELP,
EXPANDING BASE IN EUROPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKqjuNBUZKw&eurl=
ROLE IN CURRENT CONFLICTS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablighi_Jamaat#Concerns_of_Violence_and_Is...
On the Balkan Conflicts
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2007-02-27 09:16.
Firstly, there can be no question that "war crimes" were committed by all sides, namely the Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks (Muslims) and Kosovar Albanians (also Muslims). Secondly, Serbian activities were not qualitatively worse than those of their enemies, however, Serbia had the advantage of numbers and a controlling interest in the Jugoslav National Army.
The dispute over Kosovo, contrary to the opinions of major Western media outlets, is not a new one. Many here are aware that during the Second World War, the National Socialists sought allies of convenience in many Islamic peoples, especially those Arabs under Franco-British dominion. During his struggle to crush resistance in Yugoslavia and Greece, Hitler allied himself with the Albanians who were similarly agitating for aggressive military expansion. Under German auspices, the Albanians "ethnically cleansed" the Serb territory of Kosovo and began colonising it. While this process came to a halt in 1945, Tito's strong rule could not reverse the demographic damage done at the expense of what was part of the Serbian ancestral homeland. Given these circumstances, and given that by exporting its excess population, Albania is continuing the cause of "Greater Albania" in Serbia and Macedonia, the postwar reaction of the freed Serb nation was understandable.
There are a number of debatable reasons why Serbia was villified:
Law of unintended consequences
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Tue, 2007-02-27 09:04.
NATO and the US seem to have really had no idea what they were doing when they entered the conflict. I had a job last year down there and made a point of asking everyone that would listen what they thought about NATO intervening. The responses I got were pretty much like this.
1) when things fell apart they fell apart fast and the conflict started erupting everywhere.
2) NATO and the US did the wrong thing and made things worse.
3) Nobody could really explain (or I failed to understand) what the correct action would have been only that the US seemed to do the exact opposite.
I didn't really sense any US hostility really. Actually quite the opposite. My personal conclusion is that no outsider is really capable of really understanding that conflict. I read about it but still don't get it.
collective guilt
Submitted by markpetens on Tue, 2007-02-27 03:38.
Not to mention the stamp of "collective guilt" that was almost put onto Serbia today. Really, you should have been living in Serbia, possibly isolated from the Balkan war, but still be branded in the press a genocidal bandit who should repay its "debts" to the Bosnian government. Or what about the U.S. state Virginia, which seems to be tangled up in its "white guilt" .
The whole Milosevic
Submitted by Jude on Mon, 2007-02-26 19:36.
The whole Milosevic (travesty of) trial and sudden death stinks to high heaven. Milosevic turned himself in well aware that he could defend himself competently in this so-called court of law. I would love to read an unbowderlised transcript of proceedings.
Thank you ICT from Holland
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Mon, 2007-02-26 13:46.
The drug dealers and prostitutes in The Hague dearly mourned Milosevics passing. Thank g-d they rounded up some Congolese to try before the economy completely collapsed.