Global Warming: A Threat to Euroscepticism
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Fri, 2007-03-02 14:37
A quote from Daniel Hannan on his blog, 1 March 2007
There are, a senior Commission official admitted to me this week, five countries where he and his colleagues are determined to avoid a referendum: Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and Poland. Spot a pattern? Go a little further north, to Norway and Iceland, and you find large majorities against joining the EU at all.
I’m blowed if I can work out why, though. I used to wonder whether the explanation was confessional: perhaps Protestant countries felt ill-at-ease with the EU’s social doctrines, many of which derive from Vatican teaching. But the Euro-scepticism of the deeply Catholic Kaczynski government in Poland does for that theory.
Might there, after all, be something in the writings of those 19th Century anthropologists who believed that national character was determined by climate? Is it possible that having to hack a living from the frozen soil of Hyperborea makes us grimmer, dourer, more sceptical in the literal sense of being reluctant to take things on trust? Might we, if we were able to spend our afternoons lolling in the shade of myrtle groves, be a little more indulgent of the Eurocrats and their peccadilloes?
No, I’m not completely convinced, either. But does anyone have a better explanation?
In Response to George2
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2007-03-06 01:27.
Your analysis of the perceived historical differences between Northern and Southern Europe, and how these contribute to the nature of the European Union today is mistaken and simplified. Firstly, your analysis is linear and contextualised, ignoring the preceding socio-political (and thus military) structures of the Greeks, Etruscans, Phoenicians, Gallic Celts, Judeans and pre-Republican Romans and Italians. Secondly, it ignores differences between various cultural groups in Europe i.e. Romantic, Slavic, Ugro-Finnic, Celtic and Germanic. Thirdly, it is arguable whether or not there is a quantitative disparity in individualism between Northern and Southern Europe, given the historic instability in France and Italy, the historic organizational hierarchy in Germany, and the willingness of Scandinavians to always 'follow the rules.' This does not rule out qualitative cultural differences, of course, such as inefficiency, laziness, liberty vs. equality, equality vs. equity, etc.
A society's level of individualism seems dependent on its perception of its military and economic status vis-a-vis other societies, and its perception of whether or not that status is changing, and if so, for the better or worse. England's insularity from continental European armies, successive victories over France, Spain and others, its seat at the table of Great Powers, and its economic success (due both to imperialism as much as free trade) made Englishmen confident and proud; their people's place in the sun assured, they could be free to individuate themselves, having been absolved of the need to rally together against some unified threat. The United States, founded on Anglo-Saxon values and having achieved superpower status is even more individualistic; of course, as American economic superiority is challenged and its geopolitical security threatened, the American people will seek greater unity and engage in nation-building (in a multinational, multiracial, multiethnic and multifaith society) commensurate with their perception of the necessity to do so.
2000 years old answer
Submitted by George2 on Tue, 2007-03-06 00:24.
The answer to your question can be found in the history of 2000 years ago.
The tribes living in Northern Europe had a rather simple social structure: small groups living together with one leader. There were not many social layers. Going to war, the leader would say, "beat them to pieces", and that's what each individual barbarian did. There was not a lot structure.
Came along the Romans. These guys were a lot more structured, especially their armies. These were divided in smaller parts (I forgot the names) which were divided in smaller parts, which in their turn were divided in smaller parts and so on. When the general said, “attack” the cohorts would move in a predetermined fashion. Individual initiative was not appreciated until it came down to the man to man combat.
Roman social and political life was also structured in this way. And so was and is the Catholic Church: 'normal people', monks and priests, bishops, archbishops, a pope (and there may be some layers in between). This structure has survived for centuries because it was the fittest. The power and responsibility resided at the top, the individual did what he/she was told.
However, all this structure did not always fit the barbarian’s culture. Protestantism got rid of the many layers and gave a lot more responsibility to the individual. In Catholicism higher layers can abolish the sins of the individuals of a lower layer. Not so in Protestantism: you’re responsible and you’re accountable to God. And where do you find Protestantism: where the Romans failed to get foothold for a longer period.
This is in broad lines the difference between northern (barbaric) Europe and southern (Roman) Europe. In southern Europe people expect to be told what they have to do. There is a lot of power distance between the layers. In northern Europe, the power distance is much smaller. Northern individuals tend to be more individualistic. Southern Europeans tend to form groups and follow the group they belong to.
The EU is organized following the Roman blueprint (were did the Presidents of the Commission come from?). All the little rules being crapped out by the EU are against barbarian way of life. That’s why the countries mentioned are a threat for the EU. Their population does not accept this.
I have been working across Europe. In business, the barbarian way of life (individual responsibility) is getting the upper hand. In the Netherlands, employees are more prone to pick up their individual responsibility than in France where employees tend to wait what they’re told to do. The barbarian way of life will prevail. The sooner the EU becomes barbarian, the better. The American constitution is barbarian.
I am a barbarian.
RE: Poland is Poland
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Mon, 2007-03-05 07:00.
Please clarify your remarks about a state which you clearly know little about. Furthermore, you gloss over European history:
Since when did Poles revolt against anything other than foreign occupation; since when did they create dictatorships that were any different from the regimes of their contemporaries?
Boiled eggs
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2007-03-05 11:46.
Mon Kapitein, could you provide an analysis of how you boil an egg. I bet you make hard work of it.
Spotting patterns
Submitted by Bob Doney on Sat, 2007-03-03 13:39.
"Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and Poland. Spot a pattern?"
Well... Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Iceland are all states that have managed to rule themselves successfully for hundreds of years without resorting to dictators or revolutions. So their citizens must by now be fairly confident of being able to conduct their own affairs without any interference from supranational busybodies.
Poland, on the other hand, is Poland.
"Britain, the Netherlands,
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Sat, 2007-03-03 09:49.
"Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and Poland. Spot a pattern? "
no actually. The countries could hardly be more different other than the question was actually asked other than being steamrolled through parlaiment.
Peace in our time.... and sleeping WestEuropeans... this spot?
Submitted by perfektm on Mon, 2007-03-05 07:21.
These all countries were wrong; if considered taking Hitler and Nazis in Account.
Peace in our time..... i remember that ironical scenes of history.
Another theory
Submitted by Jim Kalb on Fri, 2007-03-02 16:44.
In general, countries where there's not much corruption and people obey the law and trust their national governments don't like the EU. A counterexample is Germany, which is big enough so they think they can have a lot of influence within the EU and is also anxious about nationalism because of its history. Dunno if any of that applies to Poland, but they're Euroskeptical because their history makes them religious and nationalistic.
Jim Kalb (http://turnabout.ath.cx:8000)
more factors are at play
Submitted by Snorri Godhi on Fri, 2007-03-02 16:20.
Both the confessional and the climate hypotheses have some merit, but they are not fully satisfactory. Remember that both the British and the Swedes used to think that the EU represents unrestrained capitalism. Now they are euroskeptic for almost exactly the opposite reason, yet they have changed neither religion nor climate.