Expensive Tears

From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Mon, 2007-07-23 17:49

A quote from the Daily Mail, 18 July 2007

A gay man who was refused a job by a bishop won his claim for discrimination. The landmark case leaves the Church of England facing a record bill for damages. A tribunal heard that John Reaney was turned down for a youth worker’s post after the Bishop of Hereford quizzed him for two hours about a previous gay relationship. The 42-year-old said the “humiliating” interview with the Right Rev Anthony Priddis left him in tears. [...] A hearing has yet to be arranged to set his compensation. There is no upper limit on payouts. [...]

Describing the encounter as “embarrassing” and “humiliating”, [Reaney] told the panel he broke down in tears on his way home. [...] The Anglican leader denies discrimination, claiming he vetoed the appointment because Mr Reaney was having sex outside marriage. He said he was simply complying with the teachings of the Church and feared Mr Reaney’s lifestyle could impact on the “spiritual, moral and ethical leadership within the diocese”. [...]

But Ben Summerskill, of Stonewall, a gay lobby group that backed Mr Reaney, said: “This outcome is a triumph for 21st century decency over 19th century prejudice. The tribunal has rightly made clear that the Church of England cannot discriminate against gay people with impunity. No one, not even a bishop, is exempt from the law.”

Terry Sanderson, of the National Secular Society, said: “The Bishop of Hereford should hang his head in shame. His church must learn that denying people jobs on the ground of their sexuality is no longer acceptable.”
 
See also:

Belgian Bishop Accused of Homophobia, 27 June 2007

Free Speech in Sweden, 3 December 2005

kiddies

Submitted by Paganini on Wed, 2007-07-25 14:17.

There is a clear link in child-abuse that leads to homosexuality, not only in cases with priests in America, but also with teachers (non-clerics) in schools. Even more with non-clerics in schools than with priests, unfortunately I can't find the article anymore in "Nucleus" with the exact statistics.

But thats not the point: the real issue is that not all sexuality is "normal", some forms are even undoubtly "perverted". Great link: http://users.skynet.be/sky50779/seks.htm but it's in Dutch

Hmm! And Then Some

Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-07-25 10:31.

This mentality should be of grave concern to both believer and non-believer alike.

 

Check out that secularist website again:

 

http://www.secularism.org.uk/

 

They CLAIM to be campaigning against religious intolerance towards homosexuals and the like,but on closer inspection it's clear where the real intolerance lies.Click on to their "Web Links",scroll down past ATHEISM ACTION CENTRAL (Blog),and NO BELIEFS.COM,until you reach DAWKINS WEBSITES.Now,THIS is the same tolerant atheist who recently said he would remove all financial support from Christian,Jewish,and Muslim** schools,and MAKE THEM TEACH ATHEISM***;prohibit hospital chaplains from solacing the ill;and undertake other measures to combat the "infantile regression" of religious belief.And what about parents? "It's probably too strong to say the state should have the right to take children away from their parents",Dawkins told an interviewer."But I  THINK WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT THE RIGHTS OF PARENTS..." ****

source: http://www.verumserum.com/?p=1226

 

If Dawkins and his ilk are serious about this,then like the lachrymose Mr Reaney,let him start his revolution here **/***/****,and see what happens to them when the Ummah takes umbrage.Will they do it?Would they dare?

 

Like I said before, Umm! and then some.

Injustice

Submitted by George2 on Tue, 2007-07-24 16:48.

In Belgium, unions can legally expel members of a particular (rightist) political party from its own organistion. When the political left says it does not have to accept certain people in its midst, then it is ok. However, when a bishop claims that gays are unnatural or not normal (against the norm) than he is persecuted (in Belgium as well as in the UK).

The Belgian constitution says that everyone is equal ... and yes ... some are more equal than others. When one belongs to the political left or is gay or is of color, then he/she can count on more equality than the white male.

Gay or white?

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:30.

"When one belongs to the political left or is gay or is of color, then he/she can count on more equality than the white male."

Some people who belong to the political left and some people who are gay are also white males. Being one doesn't necessarily exclude the other. I thought everyone knew that.

re: gay or white

Submitted by George2 on Wed, 2007-07-25 18:41.

Bob,

you're right; I should say the white heterosexual male.

"I thought everyone knew that." You know where you can put your condescending remarks.

Remarks

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2007-07-25 21:38.

"You know where you can put your condescending remarks."

OH NO! Not more anal penetration!

@ George

Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2007-07-25 19:43.

Bob is a fatuous liberal who uses straw man arguments. Treat him like a pimple. Ignore him and he'll eventually go away.

Going away

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2007-07-25 21:40.

"Treat him like a pimple. Ignore him and he'll eventually go away."

Not as long as people keep posting bigoted nonsense here I won't.

Permission

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:33.

Could you provide a list of the categories of people whom it is sensible to permit to work with youth groups. Just so that I can understand your commonsense reasoning. Thank you very much.

Short List

Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:45.

1. Practicing Christians (which includes chaste homosexuals)

Shorter list

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:54.

So if a paedophile is a practising Christian, he gets the OK? Is that your suggestion?

And anyone who isn't a practising Christian is automatically debarred from youth work? Is that the corollary? There won't be much youth work done in China or India then. Which seems a shame, as they have a lot of young people.

Wasting time

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2007-07-25 11:02.

Well, I've wasted time reading some of the bigoted non sequiturs on this thread, so why shouldn't I waste a bit of yours?

re: dchamil

Submitted by George2 on Tue, 2007-07-24 17:00.

I do not agree with you. Being a homosexual or heterosexual does not mean one is automatically a pedophile. Homosexuals and heterosexuals have sex. So what's the big deal? What has this to do with working with a youth group? Unless it is the HetYF: the Heterosexual Young Fornicators. I guess the HomYF will have the same problem with a heterosexual. And the MasYF will have a problem with any person working with them.

Stats

Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2007-07-24 20:44.

George2:

Statistically speaking, the "pedophile" priest scandal (btw, it's actually "ephebophile" since most victims were adolescents) in the Roman Catholic Church were OVERWHELMINGLY HOMOSEXUAL in nature. These priests molested teenage boys.
I think prudence would dictate that one would think twice before hiring a practicing homosexual to work with young people.

Perplexed

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:35.

Statistically speaking it might be better to think twice about allowing priests to work with young people.

More BS

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:51.

No. But I would guess that a higher percentage of "priests" molest young people than "homosexuals". In any case I wouldn't debar either "group" from working with young people. It's a matter of proper supervisory procedures, and honesty when things do go wrong.

Re: More BS

Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2007-07-25 03:09.

Uh, actually, you don't understand. It's HOMOSEXUAL priests, primarily.

Not understanding

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2007-07-25 11:05.

It's very hard to determine the sexuality of Catholic priests, as they have taken the completely barmy and widely ignored vow of celibacy.

Tears

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:40.

I've "broken down in tears" before now. I'm not a faggot. Some people who don't break down in tears when faced by personal humiliation are sociopaths. Generally speaking I'd rather have someone working with my kids who has broken down in tears than a sociopath.

A lot of heterosexual people have anal sex. Perhaps you didn't realise that.

Sex Ed for atheling

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-07-24 22:48.

Oh, I see. Does this apply to any penetration of a man, say with a sex toy, even between consenting adults? Or is the OP actually a bit of bigot? Would you say?

Powder

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2007-07-25 11:06.

Fair enough. Why waste powder defending the indefensible?

Hmm!

Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Tue, 2007-07-24 11:58.

Kapitein Andre:

 

"Why would a homosexual seek a job with any church in the first place?"

 

A more apposite question might be:

 

Why would The Secular Society seek to help a (presumably) God-fearing homosexual obtain a job with any church in the first place?

http://www.secularism.org.uk/debaptism.html

 

Incidentally,if you visit their "Join Now" page,you'll find the following notice:

 

NB You can only apply to join yourself or jointly with your partner.We cannot accept applications on behalf of another person as THEY MUST AGREE WITH OUR OBJECTS AND GENERAL PRINCIPLES. (emphasis added).

http://www.secularism.org.uk/join.html

 

Hmm!

 

In Response

Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2007-07-24 02:58.

"The Anglican leader denies discrimination, claiming he vetoed the appointment because Mr Reaney was having sex outside marriage. He said he was simply complying with the teachings of the Church and feared Mr Reaney’s lifestyle could impact on the 'spiritual, moral and ethical leadership within the diocese'."

 

If "complying with the teachings of the Church" is an acceptable excuse by which the Church of England can deny employment, than "sex outside marriage" should carry no more weight than homosexuality. It is ludicrous for organisations not to be able to discriminate according to their publicly stated and accepted values.

 

Ben Summerskill: "The tribunal has rightly made clear that the Church of England cannot discriminate against gay people with impunity. No one, not even a bishop, is exempt from the law."

 

As I understand it, Common Law includes provisions for religious freedom, which does involve organized religion i.e. churches.

 

Terry Sanderson: “The Bishop of Hereford should hang his head in shame. His church must learn that denying people jobs on the ground of their sexuality is no longer acceptable.”

 

Why would a homosexual seek a job with any church in the first place?

Double Your Money?

Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Mon, 2007-07-23 21:39.

Let  the lachrymose Mr Reaney try on the same stunt with his local Imam and see  how far he gets with him.If he is  rejected in  similar fashion he will then be in a position to double his money.The only oustanding question being whether he would live long enough to spend his ill-gotten gains,should the local Ummah take umbrage.Go,go,go Johnny go....Johnny B Careful!