You are most welcome.Incidentally,Atheling is right to highlight the equally important contribution made to the debate by Dr.Thornton.In my humble opinion,BOTH men's works should be read and appreciated more by all conservatives,American and non-American alike.

Thanks for that link. No, I hadn't seen that article before.

This was released by the "Statistische Bundesamt", a german federal agency:
Data on migration

Thanks, Dr. Hanson's site is one of my favorite places to visit and read. I had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Thornton who is a guest writer there too and he holds similar views.

So do many Americans who are FED UP.

Islam Delenda Est!

"If there is one more attack on the US,we will annihilate one of your cities..."
 
Check out this article written by your own Victor Davies Hanson.(forgive me if either of you are already familiar with it).As far back as July 2004,he was suggesting this:
 
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson070604.htm
 
Title: Another 9/11?   The awful response that we dare not speak about.
 
 
It's still not too late for America to make this solemn and sober declaration of intent,although 2004 (in my opinion,September 12,2001)would have been preferable to 2007/8/9...

@Atheling
 
Yes, homeschooling is illegal here. But I think that's not the major problem. The major problem here is, that there is a law against politics at school. In Bavaria there is even a law that a teacher cannot be a communist. So the only problem is, that this laws are not executed. Homeschooling would be of course a way to save your children from being brainwashed. But on the other hand, children could learn under parental guidance how to oppose leftism at school.

"I'd prefer to see a move from democracy to directness..."
I meant to say "diplomacy" not "democracy".

Isn't homeschooling illegal in Germany? That's a major problem. When the State controls how children are educated instead of the parents you have the makings of mass brainwashing.

@ Armor
There would be no problems for a conservative radio. But there is simply none. Media is controlled mainly by the left. The Social Democratic Party has an own Media Holding. With this holding she is shareholder on several Newspapers. There are some "Conservative" Newspapers like "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" or "Die Welt" but when it comes to the hard topics those Newspapers are as left as the rest of the media. 

You would be right when you say people would see the truth without the left mass media, but you would never believe how mad the school education is here. In the first it dictates the thinking borders within thinking is ok. If you cross such boarders you are marked as National Socialist or right wing extremist. People learn that from their 10th year on and its so deeply inside them they cannot act against it from some point on.
I'll give you a simple example from a female teacher, who said several times she is in favour of socialism.
She said once:
You should never judge a human because of the way he looks like. But, she added, if you see someone with a skin head and Military-Boots with white shoe laces that one is clearly an idiot.
Obviosly that is ridicolous left bullshit, but teenagers are more likely to believe such propaganda. And that's only one expample how its done here in schools.

Kapitein Andre: " The federal government would have to completely overhaul the entire education system in order to have young Germans express nationalist sentiments once more. "

I think the effects of the school brainwashing would wear off after a few years if the far left did not control the mass media.
Maybe what we lack in Europe is a conservative talk radio network similar to what they have in the USA. I suppose there are no conservative radio stations allowed in Germany?

"I'd prefer to see a move from democracy to directness e.g "If there is one more attack on the US, we will annihilate one of your cities starting with Mecca or Islamabad."

Agreed. Tom Tancredo is the only Congressman who has actually voiced those words.

It's still in the incubation stage, but American conservatives are planning a Million Man March on DC in 2008.

atheling,
Maybe if I detected some enthusiasm for the fight on the part of our "leaders" then I could share your enthusiasm. When I read about a 20 Billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Quattar etc., it make me cynical vis a vis the government's true intentions. I'd prefer to see a move from democracy to directness e.g "If there is one more attack on the US, we will annihilate one of your cities starting with Mecca or Islamabad." All these "allies" who smile at us while they are preparing to kill us are either directly or indirectly supporting these fanatics. If they were convinced that we would carry out the threat, then the support would dry up.

"This will be the next to last step, the last being the Islamization of N. America."

Over America's dead body. We're not going down without a fight. And we haven't even gotten to play cowboys and muslims yet.

"If this isn't empirical evidence in support of the Eurabia thesis then I don't know what is.Substitute mosques in Europe for CHURCHES or SYNAGOGUES in Egypt,and what do you reckon this would indicate to your average Fella(hin) or Sa'idi?"
 
This will be the next to last step, the last being the Islamization of N. America.  The planet Earth is the third from the Sun and also will truly be THE THIRD WORLD in its entirety; kept in bondage by a fanatical "religion". Many of Western man's greatest achievements in art, science, medicine, music, philosophy and representative democracy will be gone Per Omnia Saecula Saeculorum.
Upon whose shoulders may we lay the guilt? None but our own.

I know other Germans from your generation who are also nationalists, and in often even opposed to the colonisation of Germany, in particular by the Turks, whom they associate with poverty and criminality (incl. card-carrying SPD youth). The problem is that the state has suppressed German nationalism to such an extent that private patriotism has negligible effect upon the masses of Africans, West and South Asians pouring into the country. Given the racial, cultural, religious and often physical disconnect between ethnic Germans and the neue Deutsche, one can assume that either the former will be relegated to gated communities as minorities a'la South Africa or Brasil, or civil war a'la Yugoslavia will erupt.

You will hardly find anyone in may age, who is in favour of Turkish townparts. You're conclusions seem to be logical as many Germans moved out into the suburbs or to the country.  You can ask every crime-statistic to see which group does most of the hard crimes. Wouldn't be a suprise for you I suppose.

 
The only fundamental changes one could envisage from the NPD platform would be to immigration and minority-related policies and programmes. It does not seem to be more economically left than the CDU, although the latter has moved left economically not unlike the British Conservatives. The United Kingdom needs a party with the immigration/minority platform of the BNP and the socio-political and economic platform of the UKIP: Germany also needs a similar party. It is time for National Liberalism. Notice that I fail to mention either the DVU or REP as these are poor copies of the NPD. Also, I use National Liberalism as opposed to Liberal Nationalism, as the latter is really merely civic (non-ethnic) nationalism by another name. 
 
Again I can agree to most of your thinkings. You seem to be better informed about German Parties than most Germans are. But the NPD is on one page with the new Linkspartei former PDS/SED when it comes to economic issues.  But you're right when you say, that the CDU has turned to much to the left side.
I would prefer a national-liberal party, too and I think they would have good chances to get into parliament with arround 10%.

Quirin: "But I can asure you in my generation (I'm 25) there is a positive patriotism coming back. We had huge fights with the teachers at school. This socialistic teachers told our parents when we were about 15 that we would be national-socialist, simply because we didn't believe all their shit. And of course you can imagine for german parents a national-socialistic child is a nightmare. However this teachers still educate on the highest german schools. Of course non of us was in any way national-socialist. We just asked questions and had not problem with being german and that was what this people hated most.There are enough people who state patriotic sentiments in a private room. And of course most people don't like the way the towns are running. Even some socialist recognize the problems in the towns they simple can't say anything because of their ideology. Biggest Problem is the media, you can't talk about stuff like immigration in a normal way."
 
I know other Germans from your generation who are also nationalists, and in often even opposed to the colonisation of Germany, in particular by the Turks, whom they associate with poverty and criminality (incl. card-carrying SPD youth). The problem is that the state has suppressed German nationalism to such an extent that private patriotism has negligible effect upon the masses of Africans, West and South Asians pouring into the country. Given the racial, cultural, religious and often physical disconnect between ethnic Germans and the neue Deutsche, one can assume that either the former will be relegated to gated communities as minorities a'la South Africa or Brasil, or civil war a'la Yugoslavia will erupt.
 
Quirin: "There are 3 Parties. NPD, DVU and the REPs. This people are very bad, they live in the past and they are mainly socialistic. If we had a Party simmilar to the Vlaams Belang that would be a true "right wing" party in the traditional sense. German right wing parties are not "right wing" in the traditional sense."
 
The only fundamental changes one could envisage from the NPD platform would be to immigration and minority-related policies and programmes. It does not seem to be more economically left than the CDU, although the latter has moved left economically not unlike the British Conservatives. The United Kingdom needs a party with the immigration/minority platform of the BNP and the socio-political and economic platform of the UKIP: Germany also needs a similar party. It is time for National Liberalism. Notice that I fail to mention either the DVU or REP as these are poor copies of the NPD. Also, I use National Liberalism as opposed to Liberal Nationalism, as the latter is really merely civic (non-ethnic) nationalism by another name. 

@Atlanticist911
Thanks for the informative links, but I plan no pilgrim journey to the middle east in the near future.
 
@Kapitein Andre
Similar observations have been made about Stuttgart, Berlin, Koeln, Duesseldorf and other assorted West German cities. Indeed, I have a better chance of finding doener kebab than I do brautwurst in downtown Muenchen.

Yes that is true. And you better do not use any public transportations in Munich. It might appear to you that you are in a Turkish city but not in munich.
 
Germans have been indoctrinated through their public education system and major media outlets for decades concerning their guilt for the Second World War. The federal government would have to completely overhaul the entire education system in order to have young Germans express nationalist sentiments once more.

It is very true that the education system indoctrinated us in a very leftist way about the German history. Of course the Second World War is their "Major Case" to prove the evil of any German Patriotism/Nationalism. It's not the problem that they telling you in school that Germany was guilty, the problem is that they tell you because of that guilt there can be no patriotism. But I can asure you in my generation (I'm 25) there is a positive patriotism coming back. We had huge fights with the teachers at school. This socialistic teachers told our parents when we were about 15 that we would be national-socialist, simply because we didn't believe all their shit. And of course you can imagine for german parents a national-socialistic child is a nightmare. However this teachers still educate on the highest german schools. Of course non of us was in any way national-socialist. We just asked questions and had not problem with being german and that was what this people hated most.

There are enough people who state patriotic sentiments in a private room. And of course most people don't like the way the towns are running. Even some socialist recognize the problems in the towns they simple can't say anything because of their ideology. Biggest Problem is the media, you can't talk about stuff like immigration in a normal way.
 

And why are the right-wing parties "just shitheads"?

That is a little misunderstanding. We have no traditional right-wing party in Germany. There are 3 Parties. NPD, DVU and the REPs. This people are very bad, they live in the past and they are mainly socialistic. If we had a Party simmilar to the Vlaams Belang that would be a true "right wing" party in the traditional sense. German right wing parties are not "right wing" in the traditional sense.

Neither liberals, conservatives, social democrats nor socialists are prepared to tackle mass immigration and the decline of European national self-determination because these ideological positions generally do not recognise any inherent virtue of nations.

That seems to be true. But we had some very good national-liberal parties before WW2. The bavarian conservatives for sure love their country but they are just to frightened to tell in most cases.  But you're right, the German conservatives together with the liberals we're on power long enough to make major changes. They didn't do anything. They made it even worse.
 

Quirin: "Latest figures showed, that nearly 33% of munich inhabitants are immigrants...If you break it down to the age classes, I think their part in the group under 18 is over 50% for sure. Just like elsewhere in Germany this immigrants are not from Europe, they are mainly from Turkey and Africa...There are parts in Munich where you just don't feel like being in Germany any more."
 
Similar observations have been made about Stuttgart, Berlin, Koeln, Duesseldorf and other assorted West German cities. Indeed, I have a better chance of finding doener kebab than I do brautwurst in downtown Muenchen.
 
Quirin: "Many people love that of course, because they believe multi-culti is the only way to save Germany from becoming National-Socialist again."
 
Including these non-White immigrants, German Jews and indoctrinated leftists.
 
Quirin: "And of course in a town like Munich, you have many of that socialist day-dreamers.  But what to do about that? You have nearly no chance for example in Munich: 33% immigrants and around 30% east- and northern germans, who are traditionally more socialist then the conservative south. So you simply have no chance to do anything against the fact, that a town changes completely its traditional face."
 
Germans have been indoctrinated through their public education system and major media outlets for decades concerning their guilt for the Second World War. The federal government would have to completely overhaul the entire education system in order to have young Germans express nationalist sentiments once more.
 
Quirin: "It makes me sad but it seems that in some parts of Germany the change won't be stopped by the native citizens. Unfortunately we lack a real liberal-conservative party in Germany. The classic free market liberals are not seeing the immigration problem and the conservatives spend their time being as much socialist as possible. The right wing parties are just unelectable, because they are, excuse my words, just shitheads. We will see Germany's downfall very soon. The current government is just lucky that the economy took a last breath before going down for a long time. And then we face hard times here in Germany, I'm sure."

And why are the right-wing parties "just shitheads"? Neither liberals, conservatives, social democrats nor socialists are prepared to tackle mass immigration and the decline of European national self-determination because these ideological positions generally do not recognise any inherent virtue of nations. This is not to say that a nationalist political party or social movement could not also be combine with conservative social values and liberal economic policies; rather it is to say, that these aforementioned positions, while compatible with nationalism, are dismissive of nationalism in their pure forms.

You didn't read the entire sentence. I said "rhetoric AND RESPONSE".

"Major mosque projects from Cologne, Germany, to Amsterdam to Seville, Spain, have met with fierce opposition and fears that they will serve as breeding grounds for terrorists."
There may be a more duplitious project in the US.  It is purported as a memorial to victims on Flight 93, but is it?  http://myflandersfields.blogspot.com/2007/07/honor-to-islamists-and-terrorists.html
 

Israel is standing strong isn’t it? Hateful, vicious rhetoric from Islamofascists does that make any difference?

"Western governments should help Christians in Muslims Nations. The best way would be to create separate regions or Independent countries for them"

Geez, isn't that what Israel did? Created its own nation because of the history of persecution against them? And look at the hateful, vicious rhetoric and response from the Muslim world. No doubt they'd do the same for any Coptic or Christian separatists.

Western governments should help Christians in Muslims Nations. The best way would be to create separate regions or Independent countries for them but this culture of grant Asylums and refuges from 3rd world must stop. That doesn’t solve any problem but create more problems for native population in western world. I have no problem if my tax dollars will be spent on creating a Coptic nation in Egypt. But I have reservations about spending my tax dollars on facilitation of refuges in my neighborhood.

It hurts me that despite the continuing oppression and persecution of Christians and other ‘kafireen’ in muslim nations which has no precedence or comparison, Western governments welcome and facilitate the spread of Islam. 

@ Quirin
 
Planning a trip to the Middle East anytime soon?
 
http://www.club18-30.com/club/
 
If so,just remember pilgrim, that for Germans things don't always go as smoothly as one might wish:
 
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1064pilgrim.html

There are towns in Germany where it's far worse. I live in the German south near Munich. I could follow the change of the city of munich for the last 25 years. Latest figures showed, that nearly 33% of munich inhabitants are immigrants. If you break it down to the age classes, I think their part in the group under 18 is over 50% for sure.

Just like elsewhere in Germany this immigrants are not from Europe, they are mainly from Turkey and Africa. There are parts in Munich where you just don't feel like being in Germany any more. Many people love that of course, because they believe multi-culti is the only way to save Germany from becoming National-Socialist again. And of course in a town like Munich, you have many of that socialist day-dreamers.  But what to do about that? You have nearly no chance for example in Munich: 33% immigrants and around 30% east- and northern germans, who are traditionally more socialist then the conservative south. So you simply have no chance to do anything against the fact, that a town changes completely its traditional face.

It makes me sad but it seems that in some parts of Germany the change won't be stopped by the native citizens. Unfortunately we lack a real liberal-conservative party in Germany. The classic free market liberals are not seeing the immigration problem and the conservatives spend their time being as much socialist as possible. The right wing parties are just unelectable, because they are, excuse my words, just shitheads. We will see Germany's downfall very soon. The current government is just lucky that the economy took a last breath before going down for a long time. And then we face hard times here in Germany, I'm sure.
 

Euroislam: According to some researchers this integration process would also require...
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroislam
 
Does this sound like a reasonable compromise to you?
 

 
wake up

Across Europe,the Continent's fastest-growing religion is establishing its public presence [...] Only a handful existed 10 years ago,but today 159 mosques dot Germany [...] with 184 under construction...

If this isn't empirical evidence in support of the Eurabia thesis then I don't know what is.Substitute mosques in Europe for CHURCHES or SYNAGOGUES in Egypt,and what do you reckon this would indicate to your average Fella(hin) or Sa'idi?

http://edhelper.com/ReadingComprehension_Geography_37_1.html