Genetically Capitalist or Blue-Eyed?

A quote from in Gregory Clark in The [London] Times, 18 August 2007

Capitalist attitudes and economic growth triumphed in England because those with such attitudes came to predominate in the population by biological means. The modern English are the descendants of the upper classes of the preindustrial world, those who prospered economically. The poor disappeared. This process was most likely cultural, but we cannot exclude the possibility that the English may even be genetically capitalist.

A quote from The Times of India, 21 August 2007

Success lies in the colour of your eyes, and those with blue ones are likely to achieve more in life than their peers as they tend to study more effectively and perform better in exams, says a study conducted by US scientists.

skinheads

Geraldo: "It will take more than a few minor incidents"

We don't know! so far there has been no reaction at all from the whites.
When the first violent rebellion happens, we don't know what impact it will have.

@ Armor

"I think it will only take a few minor violent incidents started by white people to put a stop to the current immigration policy and start the repatriation process."

You are to optimistic.

It will take more than a few minor incidents to get that. We are dealing with fascistic minds who dont care to use violence to impose their believes on others.

skinheads

Kapitein Andre: "Skinheads, soccer hooligans and the like are successful in the sense that their actions: (a) deter immigrants to some degree, and (b) publicize the nationalist sentiment sweeping Europe."

I agree with (b). If we are horrified by the population replacement, the first thing to do is to say so, and make our opinion heard. We should tell the leftists we've had enough, but we should also tell the immigrants, unambiguously, that we don't want them here, even if it is a little embarassing to say so. They must know how we feel about them (my guess is that they already know). And we should tell Europeans who resent immigration that most people feel the same way. To get the message across, we need persuasive communication, and this is where the skinheads are very good.

It is useful for Europe that at least a few skinheads are making trouble, but we should not wish to hurt any immigrant. It is with the leftists who organize immigration that we need to get tough. They are only a small fanatic minority intimidating others. It is surprising there has not been any violent resistance from the whites so far. A tiny amount of violence now would stave off a huge amount of violence in the near future. Let us keep in mind that the leftists are responsible for thousands of murders committed by immigrants in the West, and it is going to get much worse. I think it will only take a few minor violent incidents started by white people to put a stop to the current immigration policy and start the repatriation process.

The point is that due to

The point is that due to silencing and diabolizing those who oppose the suicidal trend they took our silly elites are taking Europe to a civilian war, with ethnical cleans like those in Darfour or Kosovo, that will be worse than Spanish civil War.

When the time will come these elites will be caught between a rock and a hard place, those they promoted and those avenging that promotion.

Not really

@ KA

 

 

No, I understood your point perfectly.  I simply disagree with your characterisation of "success".    The immediate response of the German 'establishment' to the incident in  Muegeln was to call for increased funding for 'tolerance education' and for supporting immigrants.   My point is that the misdeeds of skinheads can only harm the cause of those who want to pursue or promote more sensible immigration policies.    On the other hand, the misdeeds of immigrants, especially illegal ones, can greatly promote that cause.  American 'conservative' radio and television have shown this abundantly.   I grant you, though, that in the absence of 'conservative radio and television' in (Western) Europe, there is little hope for avoiding 'Eurabia' in the future.   

Skinheads and manifest racism are (should be!) an embarrassment, and do not help the cause of national (cultural) self-determination! 

Missing the Point

marcfrans: "Frankly, a German politician claiming that '(general unspecified) immigration  is necessary for German prosperity and progress' is about as silly as you claiming that 'skinheads are succeeding'.   Although, it could be argued that in the specific case of the 8 Indians chased by the mob in Muegeln, the politician might have a better case than you have.  A definitive judgment about that would require more in-depth information about those specific  '8 Indians' and their employer(s)."

 

Skinheads, soccer hooligans and the like are successful in the sense that their actions: (a) deter immigrants to some degree, and (b) publicize the nationalist sentiment sweeping Europe. Western European elites, principally businessmen, bureaucrats, academics and the clergy are clearly unwilling to permit a frank and democratic resolution to the de facto colonisation of their countries. Moreover, these elites actively support immigration and the abuse of liberal democratic mechanisms by immigrants, through such policies as multiculturalism and political correctness (not to mention ineffective law enforcement or laws for that matter). I would prefer a clean state-led solution to European ethno-racial and religious tensions, but the aforementioned elites are determined to force indigenous Europeans to revolt if they want to have self-determination, and to launch a campaign of ethnic cleansing if they want to protect their people and culture.

 

I am certain that the Indians in question were blameless, as they were invited to the festival, where they were set upon by "extremists". However, as Western European elites neutralize political and academic opposition to immigration through the criminalization of speech and association, while indoctrinating citizens with propaganda that serves only to weaken them, "extremists" are the only credible resistance left.

Great minds can go astray # 2

@ Kapitein Andre

 

1) No, I am not accusing the Brussels Journal of "deplorable racism and prejudices".  I have only accused you (and Armor) of that.   The BJ chose to use the Times of India version of this story, among countless other possible media sources.  You chose to claim that the ridiculous study was "seized upon" in India, as if it hadn't been in many other places.  Personally, I learned about the study for the first time from the American cable outlet Fox News.

2) Frankly, a German politician claiming that "(general unspecified) immigration  is necessary for German prosperity and progress" is about as silly as you claiming that "skinheads are succeeding".   Although, it could be argued that in the specific case of the 8 Indians chased by the mob in Muegeln, the politician might have a better case than you have.  A definitive judgment about that would require more in-depth information about those specific  "8 Indians" and their employer(s).  

         

In Reply to marcfrans

marcfrans: "However, his second paragraph stands as a testament of the captain's deplorable racism and prejudices. This absolutely silly 'study' by some American 'scientists' (?) was no more 'seized upon in India' than anywhere else. It was the Brussels Journal which chose to 'seize' the particular Times of India version of this report among many possible other versions."

 

Are you then accusing the Brussels Journal of "deplorable racism and prejudices"? Quite frankly, neither of us have enough information on either the study in question or international reaction, if any, to it, to make such comments. I did not type a "second paragraph" - instead my single statement has elicited an unwarranted response from you.

 

marcfrans: "It is not as if Indians need anymore 'proof' that some (many?) westerners can be very silly at times."

 

It does not concern me what Indians believe about the West or Westerners. On Monday, 8 Indians were chased by a racist mob in Muegeln, Saxony. One politician responded that such incidents ruin Germany's reputation and discourage immigration, which is necessary for German "prosperity and progress". Skinheads are succeeding where politicians have clearly failed.

Communists knew it all the time

Didn't the commies "know" this all the time?

Were they right after all to extinct an important part of their own people, equalling largely those who had "capitalist" genes, in order to reach true communism?

 

Great minds can go astray

In his first paragraph Kapitein Andre has given an excellent answer to debunk the ridiculous hypothesis of Gregory Clark about "capitalist attitudes in England, etc......".  It is an indication of the captain's considerable historical knowledge.

However, his second paragraph stands as a testament of the captain's deplorable racism and prejudices.  This absolutely silly "study" by some American "scientists" (?) was no more "seized upon in India" than anywhere else.   It was the Brussels Journal which chose to "seize" the particular Times of India version of this report among many possible other versions.   It is not as if Indians need anymore 'proof' that some (many?) westerners can be very silly at times.......   

Re: Atlanticist

"Gregory Clark: "Success lies in the colour of your eyes, and those with blue ones are likely to achieve more in life than their peers as they tend to study more effectively and perform better in exams, says a study conducted by US scientists."
 
Why am I not surprised that this study was seized upon in India, given that both Indian men and women are bleaching their skin and dying their hair?"

 

In india blue eyes (and you can assume white skin) will bring you success and also much unwanted attention.  My credibility is not questioned there purely for my appearance and everyone assumes I am rich and well educated.

In Response to "Genetically Capitalist or Blue-eyed"

Gregory Clark: "Capitalist attitudes and economic growth triumphed in England because those with such attitudes came to predominate in the population by biological means. The modern English are the descendants of the upper classes of the preindustrial world, those who prospered economically. The poor disappeared. This process was most likely cultural, but we cannot exclude the possibility that the English may even be genetically capitalist."

 

Complete and utter bullsh*t. The poor did not disappear, either by dying off or through socio-economic advancement given the pervasive class structure of the mid-late 1800s and early 1900s. Indeed, the 1840s almost witnessed a revolution on the part of the discontented masses driven from the land into the workhouses. Secondly, the pre-industrial upper classes were the nobility and the clergy, neither of which held any regard for the mercantile class, which despite its increasing wealth, did not advance socially until it formed the capitalist bourgeois. Thirdly, the traditional upper classes spent considerable time and energy attempting to de-rail capitalism and capitalists so as to prevent the latter from dominating upper class society.

Gregory Clark: "Success lies in the colour of your eyes, and those with blue ones are likely to achieve more in life than their peers as they tend to study more effectively and perform better in exams, says a study conducted by US scientists."

 

Why am I not surprised that this study was seized upon in India, given that both Indian men and women are bleaching their skin and dying their hair?

@mangoditreviso

"Charles Martel,where are thou!"

Answer: Spinning like a top...

 

btw: Much more behaviour like this and I can see the day fast approaching  when the good denizens of Valaperta di Casatenovo wall up Muslim immigrants in their houses because their presence offends the traditional Christian sensibilities of local villagers.They have been warned!

Assume The Brace Position

I think the authors of this brace of theories need to brace themselves for the inevitable charge that such theories are an insult to Muslims in general and Islam in particular;for if they are true then how to explain the "Golden Age of Islam"?.

cultural influence

"This process was most likely cultural, but we cannot exclude the
possibility that the English may even be genetically capitalist."
No people is genetically capitalist, socialist or whatsoever. Rather, as the author himself suggests, the adherence to certain prevalent attitudes is a consequence of both culture and parents' house, and furthermore very well capable of changing in the course of time.

Muslim walls up statue of the Madonna!!

A muslim who could not stand seeing the statue of the Madonna in front of his appartment building, because it was offensive to his religion, decided to wall it up so that it would put an end to the insult. This umbelievable act happened yesterday in a small village called Valaperta di Casatenovo, near Lecco in Italy. Apparently, the muslim immigrant who had only recently arrived in Italy, was living in the house with some other muslims and could not tolerate to see the statue which has been in that niche since approximately 1850 and revered by the entire village.
Umbelievable!!
Charles Martel, where are thou!

Social Darwinism

"The modern English are the descendants of the upper classes of the preindustrial world, those who prospered economically. The poor disappeared."

 

Or went into brothels if they could.  By the same logic this could explain why even tiny english women seem to have oversized tits.