Boris Will Mourn Belgium
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Thu, 2007-09-20 11:01
A quote from Boris Johnson MP in The Daily Telegraph, 20 September 2007
It is a superb and suggestive irony that the people of Europe are now being forced to accept a new constitutional document intended to unify 25 different polities, and yet the desire for national self-government is so strong that Belgium itself – the very country that plays host to the EU institutions – is in danger of breaking up.
Belgium, that state de Gaulle claimed had been invented by the British to annoy the French, may be about to go the way of the Soviet Union, of Yugoslavia, and of Czechoslovakia; and if it does, my friends, I will be the first to mourn. […] [S]omething would be lost. Belgium would be gone, the Belgium that produced Belgian hens and Belgian horses and that bourgeois Belgian finicketiness about how to make steak tartare or moules frites. Belgian-ness would be over, and the many who feel neither particularly Flemish nor Walloon would be deprived of their portmanteau identity, and that would be sad.
If Belgium splits up, that fissure will not only make a mockery of Belgium's central role in the cause of European integration. It will be a huge boost to Europe’s remaining separatist movements, the Basques, the Corsicans, the Welsh – and, above all, the Scots. If the Belgian creation of 1830 is capable of falling apart, why should we expect the union of 1707 to be imperishable?
It is one of the wonders of the Brown “bounce” that no one any longer sees fit to point out the infamy of the West Lothian problem. We have a Scottish MP Prime Minister, promulgating measures on health and education and other matters that have no effect on his own constituents, and while Scottish MPs are able to vote on English schools and hospitals, English MPs have no corresponding say in Scotland. The English seem utterly passive in the face of this injustice; and in spite of this passivity – or perhaps partly because of it – the Scots advance ever further on the path towards independence.
Alex Salmond now calls his executive a government, and Gordon can do nothing to correct him. Look at Belgium, Gordon, and tremble.
On the current crisis in Belgium, see:
Trembling Thrones in Brussels, 18 September 2007
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The warning contained in this book is simple: hold fast to your
national identity, you nations of Europe, or else dissolve, like Belgium,
in a sea of corruption and despair. (Roger Scruton)
Coulrophobia
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Mon, 2007-09-24 20:37.
Armor wrote: "Britain will not disappear in the process.You will still be able to take a vacation in Scotland".
You read a lot of Oscar Wilde do you,Armor?
Boris
Submitted by Armor on Mon, 2007-09-24 16:09.
Atlanticist911 wrote: "He wouldn't mourn the ultimate demise of Belgium,nor would he lose much sleep if the Basques,Corsicans etc., went the same way.But he DOES fear for the future integrity of the United Kingdom,and on that I share his partisan concerns."
When Scotland becomes independent, I don't think you will lose much sleep over it. Independence will make a big difference to the Scots, but it won't change anything for you or for Boris Johnson. Britain will not disappear in the process. You will still be able to take a vacation in Scotland.
In France, Britain and Belgium, most people are afraid to speak publically against immigration. They seem ready to be replaced with third-worlders without a fight. But some of them regain a trace of their former arrogance when it comes to refusing separatism! I think it doesn't make sense. The English should worry about immigration, not about the loss of their power over Scotland. It isn't right that Scotland cannot manage its own affairs without English interference. Being ruled from London will become even more ridiculous when the whites become a minority in London.
As for the West Lothian question mentioned by Boris, it is a question only raised by clowns. It is Scotland which has been submitted to this day to the English influence, it didn't happen the other way around. For example, no one in England is asking for "independence from Scotland".
In Reply to Boris Johnson
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Thu, 2007-09-20 23:08.
Johnson: ...Belgian-ness would be over, and the many who feel neither particularly Flemish nor Walloon would be deprived of their portmanteau identity, and that would be sad.
I would challenge Mr. Johnson to define Belgian-ness and to extricate this defintion from both Flemishness and Walloon-ness. Although Mr. Johnson clearly laments the often zero-sum game of national self-determination, especially that expressed in sovereign statehood, I am not sure why he is choosing sides i.e. Belgians over Flemings and Walloons. The very existence of the Belgian state is a detriment to both the Flemish and Wallonian nations, irrespective of the wishes of their respective elites. However, given that independence for each would most likely entail Brussels becoming some type of 'free city', those of mixed Flemish and Walloon ancestry and those with roots outside of Belgium and in many cases Europe, who consider themselves "Belgian" have a haven in Brussels.
Johnson: If Belgium splits up, that fissure will not only make a mockery of Belgium's central role in the cause of European integration. It will be a huge boost to Europe’s remaining separatist movements, the Basques, the Corsicans, the Welsh – and, above all, the Scots. If the Belgian creation of 1830 is capable of falling apart, why should we expect the union of 1707 to be imperishable?
These are all positive developments in my opinion. If even the smallest of nations can survive on their own without falling prey to some polyglot empire, then they should have their own states.
Johnson: The English seem utterly passive in the face of this injustice; and in spite of this passivity – or perhaps partly because of it – the Scots advance ever further on the path towards independence.
The English remain in charge simply through the very existence of the British state. Without England there is no Britain, Great Britain or United Kingdom. Non-Russians could rise to great levels of power and prominence in the former Soviet state and throughout the Warsaw Pact, however, these individuals could not change the fact that despite its official "classless" and ethnicity-less society, the Eastern Bloc was a Russian empire. Stalin did not make the USSR Georgian anymore than Brown makes the UK Scottish.
Johnson: Alex Salmond now calls his executive a government, and Gordon can do nothing to correct him. Look at Belgium, Gordon, and tremble.
Where's Edward I when you need him? Moreover, look at London and tremble. In 100 years the only people with the surname Johnson will be of African extraction.
Boris
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Thu, 2007-09-20 12:44.
Boris Will (NOT) Mourn Belgium...
"If Belgium splits up...it will be a huge boost to Europe's remaining separatist movements,the Basques,the Corsicans,the Welsh - and,above all,the SCOTS..."
(He might also have added the county of Cornwall).Ignore everything else written here by Boris Johnson.He wouldn't mourn the ultimate demise of Belgium,nor would he lose much sleep if the Basques,Corsicans etc., went the same way.But he DOES fear for the future integrity of the United Kingdom,and on that I share his partisan concerns.