How to Survive as a Culture
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Wed, 2008-03-26 10:43
A quote from Lawrence Auster at his weblog, 25 March 2008
Muslims are a “disaster” for us. That’s what [Mark] Steyn said.
Now, if it is an illegal act of hatred to stir up animosity against a group, then to say that a certain group represents a “disaster” for us would certainly seem to fit that description. […] If there is any legitimate scope for anti-hate laws, statements such as Steyn’s would seem to come within it.
The problem with the anti-hate laws is that they assume that no group can be bad for us, that all groups are good for us. That is of course the very belief that makes it wrong to stir up hatred or opposition against anyone. It is a core premise of liberalism that all men are naturally good, that unregenerate evil and unappeasable enemies do not exist. But what if the liberal premise is not true? What if certain groups are not good for us, but bad for us? What if there is a certain group that is in fact a disaster for us? In that case, a law forbidding us to argue that the group is a disaster for us would render us helpless to defend ourselves from it. […]
A quote from a comment at the Samizdata blog, 10 March 2007
Mark Steyn did not “go quiet” – he got forced out of British newspapers. […]
Actually Steyn is a libertarian in many ways […] But he is a social conservative. Not in a censorship way - but in the sense that he supports, traditional culture, the family, religion (and so on).
People make a mistake with the name “Steyn”, it is not Jewish in the case of Mark Steyn (although, of course, many Jews are social conservatives – to judge Jews on the basis of Hollywood Jews is a mistake), it is Flemish. [This is not correct. Steyn’s father is Canadian, his mother is Flemish].
Many of the Flemish people are social conservatives, and it is not just a question of Mark Steyn having a Flemish name – he spent his childhood summers in a small town in Flanders (a town that is now falling to the Muslims and where some Flemish people have been killed by them).
The Flemish are denounced (by their enemies) for being “pro Nazi” (as so many of them hated the governent of Belgium), but they had a better record than almost anyone else of hiding Jews during World War II
At the risk of a “cultural sterotype” the Flemish (what the English used to call “the Flemings”) are a stubborn people – quick to take the unfashionable point of view, and the best way of (for example) to make them say a certain word is to tell them that they may not say it.
The Flemish know a lot about nonracial demographic conflict. They have been in conflict with the French speakers (racially no different from them) for centuries.
Normally the French speakers controlled the government (and most other things) in what is now Belgium in – so dislike of the “the power of the elite” is not something he just gets from being a conservative in Canada or the United States – it is something his family would have hated long before they set foot in North America (hatred of the elite did not mean hatred of high culture – if anything the Flemish loved it more than the people who, in their eyes, controlled everything). […]
When Mark Steyn says he could not care less what skin colour people are, he is concerned about about a cultural struggle, I believe him – one thing the people of Flanders do not tend to be accused of is being liars.
Steyn’s argument is that libertarianism (or any other political doctrine) can not prosper in a culture that it is violently hostile to it
Good News...
Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2008-04-01 20:59.
Legislature Passes Libel Terrorism Protection Act To Protect American Journalists and Authors From Overseas Defamation Lawsuits
Albany, NY (March 31, 2008) – The New York State Legislature today unanimously passed the “Libel Terrorism Protection Act” (S.6687/A.9652), sponsored by Assemblyman Rory Lancman (D-Queens) and Senate Deputy Majority Leader Dean G. Skelos (R-Rockville Centre).
When signed into law by Governor David Paterson, this legislation will protect American journalists and authors from foreign lawsuits that infringe on their First Amendment rights.
In Ehrenfeld v. Mahout, New York State’s highest court held that it would not protect Dr. Ehrenfeld from a British lawsuit filed by Saudi billionaire Khalid Salim Bin Mahfouz, where she was ordered to pay over $225,000 in damages and legal fees to Bin Mahfouz, as well as apologize and destroy existing copies of her books.
Dr. Ehrenfeld sought a court order in November of 2006 to protect her constitutional rights, but in a ruling with national First Amendment implications which sent legal shockwaves throughout newsrooms across America, as well as potentially undermining our ability to expose terrorism’s financial and logistical support networks, the New York Court of Appeals ruled that it does not have jurisdiction to protect Americans – on U.S. soil – from foreign defamation judgments, which contradict the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
The Libel Terrorism Protection Act declares overseas defamation judgments unenforceable in New York unless the foreign defamation law provides, in substance and application, the same free speech protections guaranteed under our own constitution, and it gives New York residents and publishers the opportunity to have their day in court here in New York.
“This is a great day for free speech and freedom of the press, and I urge Governor Paterson to quickly sign this legislation into law. This law will protect our journalists and authors from trumped up libel charges in kangaroo courts in overseas jurisdictions which don’t share our commitment to free speech and freedom of the press,” said Lancman.
“This law will give New York's journalists, authors and press the protection and tools they need to continue to fearlessly expose the truth about terrorism and its enablers, and to maintain New York's place as the free speech capitol of the world,” Lancman concluded. Lancman’s remarks on the Assembly floor are viewable here.
“The truth is a critically-important component in the War on Terror,” said Senator Skelos. “This important new law will protect American authors and journalists who expose terrorist networks and their financiers. In its decision, the Court of Appeals called upon the State Legislature to revise the law. Today, we made clear that New York State will safeguard the First Amendment and these courageous writers.” #####
Let's hope that other states follow suit.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine
@ScanAmMan
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Sat, 2008-03-29 00:40.
I pray that your son remains proud of his ScanAmerican heritage;happy,beardless and free.
Cultural insensitivities
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2008-03-26 20:16.
Apparently,and I kid you not,when an Arab says to another Arab,"I fart on your beard",it is considered an insult of serious magnitude.What's more,Arab men find it equally offensive.
Atlanticist911: "He's Funny"
Submitted by ScanAmMan on Fri, 2008-03-28 19:01.
As my son said at age three upon seeing John Cleese (in a scene from Faulty Towers) for the first time, "I like that man, he's funny".
Over the rainbow
Submitted by ovalteen on Wed, 2008-03-26 20:11.
"The problem with the anti-hate laws is that they assume that no group can be bad for us, that all groups are good for us."
Larry Auster is wrong there. The anti-hate laws assume that one group is very bad for "us": the white majority, or rather the heterosexual male and Christian part of it, which has been responsible for the Holocaust, the slave trade, colonialism, homophobia, industrialism, etc. The point of anti-hate laws is to silence heterosexual white males and Christians while a rainbow coalition of minorities removes all possibility of their evil ever manifesting again. Any protest against mass immigration and minority rights, i.e. privileges, is "hate", because mass immigration and minority rights are the tools of dispossession. The ultimate symbol of hate is the Holocaust, which is why the Holocaust has become a secular religion in the West. Jewish groups like the Anti-Defamation League are, unfortunately, at the forefront of a war that will not benefit Jews any more than it benefits white Christians.
Prompts a secondary question
Submitted by Rob the Ugly American on Wed, 2008-03-26 14:27.
Should we let countries like Canada and the UK that have stronger restrictions on free speech prevent writers like Steyn from promulgating their views in the US? For example, several articles have been written about how Muslim radicals have successfully used the threat of UK libel laws to prevent publications of books that are critical of Islam. Since much of the publishing industry in now global, this can be used to not only prevent publication of such books in the UK, but also in the US, where people are still free to talk of such matters.
Obviously, Steyn's book was intended primarily for a US audience. If writers like Steyn now have to face the threat of prosecution in countries like the UK and Canada, this could have at least two possible negative externalities: first, if such books are only allowed to be disseminated in the US, then this will further widen the chasm in the worldview of the US and other countries; second, it could be used to eventually chill the publication and free speech rights of authors in the US, because they won't want to face possible prosecution outside the US.
RE: Auster & Steyn
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Wed, 2008-03-26 13:55.
Interestingly, the inaccurate commentary from Samizdata notwithstanding, both Auster and Steyn are of Jewish descent, keeping in mind of course that official religious membership is passed down maternally. In addition, Steyn seemed to have spent more time in Britain than Flanders, and to note a focal point of his political socialization, has come into conflict with the Canadian Jewish Congress on more than one occaision, especially where the latter opposed his views. Thus, the Samizdata commentator has mistakenly gone to great lengths to associate Steyn with the Flemish national character.
As far as both Auster's and general arguments are concerned, as briefly summarized here, I agree.