@ marcfrans
 
Let's give him a bit more time. Afterall, *Kappert still hasn't come to terms with the fact that Lao-tse, his personal hero, had a son who was a real man, who joined  the army and became a successful soldier. Ouch!

Yes, it'd indeed be nice if if one billion muslims are converted into Christianity to remove their violence in them civilizing them to turn the other cheek which Indians and SERBS have been doing for several centuries - nearly 1000 years now. Occasional backlash has been blown out of proportion and both are being pummeled into oblivion.

Instead if the West and the evangelists could turn their attention to tame the savagely brutal muslims, the whole world will have more peace and so prosperity. How else could one explain the street savagery in India for
*** SADDAM'S HANGING;
*** REV FALWELL'S FOUL REMARKS;
*** DANISH CARTOONS;
*** BUSH VISIT; etc etc?

The muslims dont need any major reason or pretext to commit street savagery as seen in Paris and other cities of France prior to Sarkozy's election to power. Even trivial ploy is good enough. Such is the power of savage subversion through mafia intimidation... (This week, the Danish embassy was bombed in fakistan but not in any of the other 60 odd muslim countries - why?; why is non-arab fakistan so savagely "islam-crazy" while other islamic countries are more moderate?!!)

For several years now, I have been crying hoarse on how muslims of South Asian origin and pakkis are the source of most ills of the world. We punish the Indians who carry the burden of 170 mil muslims inspite of 'two' nations created specifically for the pre-1947 muslims - 'fakistan' and bangladesh.

Now the people in the latter country spread Goebbels hitlerian type lies that bangladesh is poor but living conditions are much better there than in India which has 70% of its population reeling under poverty, only 30% being in the middle class.

If oyu ask me, I'd say both china and fakistan are to be deemed as AXIS OF EVIL period. We need to help the one billion Indians who have been helping us in WW-I and WW- II and the in the Boxer revolution when missionaries were butchered by the chinks who killed even a pregnant woman and her teen girl after cheating them. Now the chinks send tainted pet food, fish, pharmaceuticals, steal our intellectual property via piracy. ..etc etc.

@ Atlanticist

It is always the same story with Kappert.  He likes to hide behind platitudes like "I applaud humble attitudes" - who would not applaud such attitudes? - but is incapable of making contextual and proportional moral judgements in CONCRETE situations, i.e. make a distinction (or identification) of right and wrong, and separate victims from villains.  In my (humble) opinion, the reason is because he refuses to make empirical observations (he prefers the abstract naive-left mantras).  

"I applaud humble attitudes", he says.  What is so "humble" about "threathening someone with arrest for distributing leaflets"?  But Kappert refuses to 'see' this.  HE DOES NOT JUDGE PEOPLE ON THE BASIS OF THEIR ACTIONS, BUT RATHER ON THE BASIS OF WHO THEY ARE (or, more accurately, where he thinks they 'fit' or are classified on his political spectrum) .  Hence, his (verbal) support for the narco-terrorists of the Farc in Colombia, his wish to see certain democratic political leaders before the ICC, his inability to identify the true 'villain' in this particular case from Birmingham...... Essentially, the story of Kappert shows that (prejudicial) ideology has replaced moral reasoning in much of the educational system today.  Societal collapse is sure to follow....(just like it did in the generation of  Kappert's grandparents).

@ kappert
 
If what you say is true, why didn't we see those Hare Krishna missionaries getting a good thrashing from the Christian citizens of Britain and elsewhere? 

You've explained to us what you believe Jesus taught, now perhaps you'd care to explain to us what you believe Muhammed taught Muslims to do when confronted with any 'threat' from (for example) non-violent Christian missionaries.

You rather exaggerate my words. Any missionary, not only Christians, should be as humble to accept that religious issues provoke emotions, which can guide to violent behaviour if addressed at the wrong place at the wrong time. It's like selling ManU shirts on Chelsea grounds. The two US evangelists did not suffer any violence, neither from the police (which would be a scandal) nor from the local public (which, for many of BJ readers, would be the start of civil war). The 'slap in the face' is rather figurative, I do not approve violence in any form, I applaud humble attitudes, not provocative. By the way, that monotheistic gods have children is a Christian speciality.

@ kappert
 
Chant: "Harry Ramsden, Harry Ramsden, Harry Ramsden, Harry Har-ry...".
 
http://www.harryramsdens.co.uk/
 
 

Since others have posted very good replies to you kappert, then I will just say this:

kappert that is one dumb statement.

By the way, you won't believe this (I don't expect you too), but Jesus Christ is not just a prophet...He is God in the flesh, i.e. the Son of God.

@ kappert

You claim to eschew ALL forms of violence (placing the word of that mythical coward Lao-tse above those of either Jesus or Muhammed). Therefore, shouldn't that eschewal include Muslim violence against Christian missionaries, or did Lao-tse preach about certain exceptions to the rule before  hot footing it to the hills?

Let's examine the words "should" and "tolerate" of kappert in this context.

If the facts are as reported in this article, Kappert seems to think that it is OK for Christians (or any other group) to be threatened for 'speech' (in the form of handing out leaflets).  He also implies that it would be OK for there to exist "no-go" areas for particular groups in society.  He seems incapable of moral outrage in the face of manifest injustice in this case.  Why is that?  Because the victims in this case are Christians?    Apparently, his 'ethics' seems to prevent him from making appropriate distinctions between victims and persecuters, and between right and wrong.   I certainly have no difficulty of bringing forth moral outrage when (for example) Armor suggests actions which manifestly would victimise certain people on the basis of their 'ethnicity' as opposed to their actions (e.g. like violating immigration law).   In short, there is no real moral difference between the 'racism' of  Armor and of Kappert, but there is a difference in terms of which specific groups are being victimised.  As Shakespeare said: a pox on both of your houses!

It is a perversion to think that Christ taught "toleration" of a manifest injustice. The biblical accounts suggest the opposite.  But Christ certainly warned or predicted many "slaps in the face" to come.  That does not conform with "toleration" at all, and it certainly does not imply 'approval' of such slaps (i.e. Kappert's "should").  He also warned against hypocrisy, in the sense of seeing the other's small faults while ignoring own big faults.   Clearly Kappert fails that 'test' too in this particular case.  

In short, we have here further confirmation of the inability of certain 'educational personel' to make contextual and proportional moral judgements.

Don't worry, they get slapped around all the time. You should talk to some missionairies.
Unluckily enough those people think that accepting to get slapped amounts to weakness. They couldn't care less about ethics and fair play.
They show their wives regularly all corners of each room, just to keep them in shape.

If missionaries want to convince local populations that prophet Jesus is better than prophet Mohammed, than they should be able to tolerate a slap a their face - that is what Jesus taught us.

great fun those harrison songs :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7eFQMakhDE&feature=related

anyway, that situation in england is sick, it's actually sharia-principles that are being implemented by english state-police forces: this is dhimmitude ! police should protect those evangelicals, not the sharia

Any nostalgia freaks interested in listening to that broken link should follow these instructions:
 
1 Click on the broken youtube link.
 
2 Search entry: "George Harrison and others Hare Krishna Maha Mantra"
 
Exit Q: What would have happened in those days if somebody had accused George, Mother Yamuna and the rest of the gang, of "hate crime" against British Christians?

Does anybody remember this little gem from the Britain of the late 1960's?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1xxPBOFGU
 
Where are all those follically-challenged hate crime committing 'evangelicals' when we need them most?

(video link doesn't work. Google:"Hari Krishna Mantra").

Someone should tell Plod this is a constitutionally Christian country, not Eurabia.

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