How Many More Murders In Libya?

From the desk of Lucien Oulahbib on Tue, 2011-03-15 21:23

It seems that out of hatred for Bush, the Powers That Be have decided to wait for The Big One, the pure massacre. It is not only appalling and shameful, it is revealing of the status achieved by the conservatism of the left and the right who return to realpolitik when it suits them.

Despite Sarkozy and Cameron, the fashionable elite awaits for Benghazi to become Sarajevo. Bernard Henry-Lévy is already in position, so everything is fine.

Their current mood is something like this: in the end, the dictator will be ranked among the people of a "perverted" islam, while he currently still has the aura of an anti-imperialist leader. He is a competitor of Al Qaeda, not their opponent, but indeed he had calmed down somewhat, so let hem be. Nonetheless, we will lecture him and cut off his food supply, like we do with a disobedient teenager (not his fault, perhaps an unhappy childhood).

Obama was summoning Mubarak every day to step down. It worked well, little blood was seen, some women and democrats were abused and treated like Jews, but nothing worse.  In Libya, blood is flowing, it's war, and it's dirty. Nobody is calling for the organization of International Brigades.  For whose benefit, anyway? Of the "tribes"? They are "tribes" and it seems if there are Berbers in it does not matter, those are always rebelling anyway...  That is the current mood.

There is talk of rebels against "loyalists". The SS were loyalists too. "It is a tribal war", these smart people are telling you, terrified that things are moving in these parts of the world. And the gentry who plays politics like we play golf (everything gliding smoothly on the carpet of the studios that employ them as "consultants") hates making remarks that would legitimize George W. Bush as a visionary or a precursor, even if the Kurds and the Shiites in southern Iraq were able to save their skin thanks to him.

We do not know how this will turn, the smart people say, and they wash their hands. Peace and love!  Silence!  There's some killing going on, but it does not matter because they are not Palestinians.

How many more armed nuclear powers?

Submitted by Capodistrias on Mon, 2011-03-21 19:46.

Lessons for other states developing nuclear weapons program: give up program ; get bombarded later, or keep building; have bad things said about you. Hmm? Brilliant Hillary, Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron.....

Al Qaeda ties to the Libyan rebels

Submitted by Capodistrias on Mon, 2011-03-21 17:12.

Dismissed as Gadhafi propaganda by overnight Libyan experts in the West, the Combating Terrorism Center at the United States Military Academy at West Point, has actually documented Gadhafi's claim, I guess Admiral Hillary dumped that report into the wastebasket before storming the Oval Office and berating Obama to bomb! bomb! bomb!  

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/saving-the-libyan-islamists/?singlepage=true

 

Sarkozy Isle?

Submitted by Capodistrias on Sun, 2011-03-20 15:41.

Kappert, who let you jump the rescue ship that came for me? What's Kappert Isle without a Kappert? Now I have this crazy Frenchman with bouffant hair ranting helter skelter around the isle calling in air strikes on anyone who doesn't follow him with their arms high in the air flailing about and emitting high pitch girlie sounds calling on the world to man up! 

Congratulations to the "New Media!" Modern day Yellow Journalism has its own Spanish-American War. From Jingoism to Twitterism? Googlism? Bouffantism?

 

Looking for a Strategy

Submitted by kappert on Sun, 2011-03-20 12:15.

 

War is always a big confusion. How will the West react to news, when the 'rebels' have responsibility for civilian killings? That's against the UN-Resolution! Balls! How about American military and French verbal leadership in case of a division of Libya? Or when the 'rebels' divide themselves into fractions? For whom or what are 'we' fighting for?, will be the more than imperative question. The strategy is probably a withdraw, after the destruction of Libya.

How Many More Murders In Libya

Submitted by kappert on Sun, 2011-03-20 11:57.

Finally we have a body count! It was getting boring to hear from 'rebels' and 'loyalists' about killings and massacres without having a single proof or confirmed reports. Now, NATO clears it up – at least 48 killings in the first attack wave – that sure rises our expectation on 'protection of civilians'. The third Western military intervention in a Muslim state since 2001, "Operation Odyssey Dawn", is a mission without strategy. What comes now? The situation for civilians will get worse, some 'loyalists' outside Libya may trigger some assault somewhere, Khadafi may get berserk, Khadafi may get killed and a tribal war is installed, the Arabian leadership is pondering its participation, … ...

Situation in Libya

Submitted by kappert on Wed, 2011-03-16 10:53.

A Portuguese journalist (www.publico.pt) made the voyage from Tripolis to the east, passing through the areas 'reconquered' by Khadafi troops. Along the road were some destroyed vehicles, some houses show shelling damages. Asking the population, there were no reports of killings or even massacres. The whole situation seems to pass largely without the involvement of the civil society.
This is very different compared to the events in Tunisia, Egypt and now Bahrain. By the way, what will Obama decide on his port-of-call in the Persian Gulf?

@ kappert

Submitted by traveller on Wed, 2011-03-16 12:19.

As Capo said, welcome to the world of the living brains.

 

I made the same trips several times, I saw 4 burned out jeeps before arriving at Ras Lanuf, 4!!! After 2 weeks of so-called war and Al Jazeerah propaganda war.

The result will be that the financiers of the Muslim Brotherhood, Qatar and Saudi-Arabia shot in their own foot..

@ Lucien Oulahbib

Submitted by traveller on Wed, 2011-03-16 08:26.

I am sorry sir, you don't know the first thing about Libya.

Eliminate Gaddafi now and you have decades of tribal fighting and fundamentalism from Morocco to the Indian border.

The so-called Egyptian democracy is already in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Yemen goes totally fundamentalist and Saudi-Arabia will go the same way because of the Yemeni situation, there are 8 million Yemeni's in Saudi-Arabia and 4 million Shia of Irani descent.

The modernization of Libya was slowly taking shape, now it is set back for minimum 5 years because of the tribes who helped Gaddafi to solve the problem without too much bloodletting.

There are 400 dead in Libya so far and NO CITY-BOMBING, the lies of 3000 dead and 6000 dead in Benghazi are just lies. Half of the news media of the world are or were in Benghazi, nobody has seen the graves of even 50 people.

Misdirected anger

Submitted by Frank Lee on Tue, 2011-03-15 23:46.

M. Oulahbib makes a legitmate point when he notes the difference between the pressure Obama placed on Mubarak and Obama's hands-off attitude toward the murderous leader of Libya.  But perhaps it makes more sense to hold the Arabs accountable for failing to police one of their own.  The longer we treat Arabs (and Europeans, for that matter) like mildly retarded seven-year-olds, the longer they will shun taking responsiblity for their own actions and fail to solve their own problems.  After all, a stable Libya ruled by a tyrant at least continues to supply the West with reliable oil.  I can understand why the Western leaders might see maintaining the status quo as a good thing.  That the rest of the Arab world doesn't care enough about their fellow Arabs in Libya to act is less understandable.

@ Frank Lee

Submitted by traveller on Wed, 2011-03-16 08:38.

The Libyan tribes don't even care about the other tribes and you think about Arabs about other Arabs.

You are talking about a country where, if the goats from one tribe graze on the lands of another tribe without permission there can easily be a shooting incident with 20/30 dead.

Forget about anything you know as a civilized human being when you talk about Libyan tribes, they are arms carrying tribal warriors and the only unifying factor is Gaddafi.

 

If there would be massive bombing the whole country would fight each other because of the bloodfeud. The bloodfeud has compelled Gaddafi to be very, very cautious not to kill too many people.

 

You never hear about those things from the media.

I just came back from there, I spent just 2 weeks there and I predicted as the only one what is happening exactly now.

The international media present there all laughed at me in the beginning, in the end they asked my opinion because they couldn't make heads or tails out of the situation.