What If...?
From the desk of George Handlery on Wed, 2006-07-26 20:09
At this time the US’ and the modern world’s Near Eastern outpost and equivalent, Israel, is absorbing incoming rockets. Some of the responses are more disquieting than the tort itself. The prevailing question regarding the occurrence seems to be how to deal financially and verbally with the damage caused by Israel’s excessive/disproportionate, that is, effective retaliation.
While the “forgive everything that is done to others” crowd contemplates its navel amidst the crisis that began with “Israel returning a blow” a question comes to mind. What will the US (or any other country in Europe or Asia) do when rockets fired by another entity (state, movement or armed creed) hit its territory? Apologizing for being a provocatively moving target will not quite suffice.
proud muslim, grow up
Submitted by George2 on Fri, 2006-07-28 18:39.
What do you expect the Israelis to do while the poor innocent Muslims throw grenades at them, kidnap soldiers, blow themselves up on Israelis markets? Do you want them to sit on their butt and suck their thumbs?
Yes, when it comes to fighting, the Israelis are much better than the Muslims/Arabs. So the Muslims/Arabs can do 2 things: stop the violence or get pounded. Attacking the Israelis and then running to momma because they punch your noses is not option.
Grow up and don't act like little kids.
beyond approval
Submitted by proud muslim on Fri, 2006-07-28 18:17.
poor israel, all it did was kill millions of muslims, kick them off their own territory start killing more in lebanon and now apologizes. aww that's to much. listen many people have wrong ideas a bout muslims trying to defend there land. but the true terrorists are the butchers who kill innocent lives and they are the israelis.
poor analogy
Submitted by zenezie on Thu, 2006-07-27 20:45.
Except, Amsterdamsky, the Jews never stole land and never slaughter the inhabitants. The Jews have been buying land from absentee Turkish landowners since the 1880s.
Most Palestinians left Israel in 1948 to aid the Arab war effort. When Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen invaded Israel, most of the Arabs (aka Palestinians) living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. That didn't worked out as planned.
The Arab world went to war with Israel twice and lost. Bad. Sorry, time to deal with it instead of throwing suicidal tantrums over patches of dirt. Mexico isn't sending suicide bombers across the border to protest our taking of CA, AZ, and NM. Just suck it up and make sure not to start any wars you can't win.
@zenezie
Submitted by traveller on Thu, 2006-07-27 21:58.
I am always amazed when I hear or read Jews uttering their absolute truths. To be clear, my sympathy is with the suffering jew who is wandering the earth since Abraham had the idea of starting his trek to the Promised Land. An official piece of divine paper would have solved a lot of problems but the wandering jews took Abrahams word for it. They arrived in Palestine where the palestinians, and not the arabs, had no idea what hit them, because their God didn't tell them anything.
The jews didn't steal their land, because God, who created all earth, gave it to them!!!
When the jews left for Egypt, because of better comfort, they just left the land in custody to the palestinians until they would come back. After annoying the Pharao for a while, they came back to Palestine and again those stupid palestinians didn't understand the divine interference, again they objected to the jews taking their Promised Land back, they didn't even pay rent to the jews for the use of the land for hundreds of years.
Again in 72 AD the jews had to leave for a while and again they left the Promised Land for safekeeping to the palestinians for 2000 years, and what happens after 2000 years? The palestinians try again to steal the Promised Land from their rightful owners by divine design.
This satire is unhappily true and causes a lot of grief to both people. I have an enormous respect for a small people with the biggest brains in human history but a very small human nature. Their fight with the palestinians must be solved in a human way because they have both a right of existence as human beings. As for hezbollah, let them have it, hezbollah has no rights on Israel
@ zenezie and esther
Submitted by Jari on Thu, 2006-07-27 23:39.
'The jews didn't steal their land, because God, who created all earth, gave it to them!!!'
Laugh! - you can do it, Jews!
If anyone is to refer at the history of the Jews, he would indeed not consider them to be so braveharted when it comes to warfare. And if not because of the financial and military support of the US, Israel would be in quite some trouble.
Claiming Jewish victory at this stage, compares to a man that is stuck into a bee - hive, and just managed to kill a bee. As i mentioned somewhere else on this forum, to my opinion Israel has two options:
One of them is the Ceasarean method. If a nation is invading on other territory, the invaders should (a) make the existing population officially declare they accept all the rules of the newcomers or either (b) whipe them out completely. If Israel chooses this path, the international community should not get involved with it, to prevent a WW nr.4.
The other choise, is that Israel 'de - sizes' its territory to what has been agreed upon just after the second world war, or some sort of compromise in between. If israel is choosing this path, it would create a goodwill that works in at least two ways: less agression from the arabic world (everywhere in the world) and larger agreement within the UN to intervene fermly if such agression would take place.
In the current territorial situation, you will never get the Arabs to accept their defeat, not in a thousand years. And the complete removal of terrorist organisations (as being assumed by the Israeli's and the US) is an utter naive assumption, unless...
As i see it from a little distance, Israel, drawn to the left and to the right by democratic forces, does not dare to really choose one of the above mentioned paths, to walk it down persistenly.
beyond approval
Submitted by long range recon patrol on Fri, 2006-07-28 11:40.
so, in other words... do what they were doing. and allow hamas and hezbollah to intentionally murder more unarmed, unsuspecting civilians. to allow lebanon to be totally unable to enforce UN resolutions, to leave Gaza and allow attacks to be staged against them within days of removal. In other words, your solution is for Israel to do what it has already done, bend over backwards to make work, and STILL have its 2 soldiers kidnapped and 8 killed in an assault ON israeli territory? in other words you think if israel becomes Brain dead , the peace process may work? ok i gotcha. well.. in the meantime... Israel knows much better. and knows there is no concession great enough. and knows there is no appeasement. Theyve been messed with too many times, much too often. world criticism will be totally irrelevent for quite some time.
@Amsterdamsky
Submitted by Esther on Thu, 2006-07-27 04:01.
What land did Israel steal from Lebanon?
Your example just proves the point. The US stole land from Mexico more than 100 years ago, there was a war, Mexico lost and now the Mexicans AREN'T shooting missiles at Phoenix and Santa Fe. I don't see any Mexican terrorist organization who would attack the US and the Mexican gov't would officially stand aside, while supporting them from afar.
Lebanon is like a country run by the mafia. If the Lebanese (and the world), let their citizens be overrun by these people, you can say that's their problem. when the mafia decides to harass the country next door, that's a different issue.
And really.. if missiles would fall in Amsterdam, how long would it take the Dutch army to stream into whatever country it was?
Let's take a more concrete example. There are now Dutch troops in Afghanistan. How would Holland react if Amsterdam would be shelled by the Taliban? (how would it react if the Taliban was using Belgium or Germany as base for those attacks and Belgium or Germany was doing nothing about it?)
Islam In Europe
IF
Submitted by George2 on Wed, 2006-07-26 23:11.
If rockets and grenades would be fired from Belgium into the Netherlands, and if the Belgian autorithies would be unwilling or unable to deal with this problem, then I would be the first Belgian to invite the Dutch army to establish a 20 km security corridor in Belgium, at the expense of the Belgian taxpayer.
Some may say that the Dutch have already established this corridor by buying large amounts of real estate across the Belgian border.
If the US had annexed
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Wed, 2006-07-26 20:37.
If the US had annexed a(nother) large part of Mexico in response to crime by illegal Mexicans in the US and Mexicans were sending terrorists and missiles into the SouthWest? Is that the argument? Steal peoples land and slaughter the inhabitents and you will get pretty much what Israel is getting in return.