The Germans Feel Insulted

If you tell Germans that they backed Hitler because they were racists, they will grovel at your feet, apologize for their fathers and try to condone themselves, promising that they will never again “discriminate” anyone. But do not tell them that they tolerated Hitler’s atrocities because they were submissive or they feel offended. I received the following letter from an angry German, reacting to my article in yesterday’s Washington Times (not Post).

Dear Mr Belien, 
I had the honour to read your Washington Post (28 February 2007) op-ed titled “2007 German horror tale” today. The topic covered – whether or not home schooling should be prohibited – is a very controversial one, which I personally am neither qualified nor inclined to judge upon.

I am writing to you solely because of two sentences of yours against which, if these sentences were supposed to be taken seriously (and I understand them this way), I want to express my clear opposition:

(1) “As Hitler knew, Germans tend to obey orders unquestioningly.” (2) “In Germany, schools have become vehicles of indoctrination, where children are brought up to unquestioningly accept the authority of the state in all areas of life.”

These sentences have filled me with puzzlement. Of course I – being German – find them disturbing and rejectable. But then I think to reject them bluntly, without reflection, might be wrong. I therefore try to undergo the process of seeing it from the opposition’s side. If I were to act as an advocate of what you’re saying, what arguments would I try to submit to justify these statements? “Silly”, you might say, “and not worthwhile, you’re a German so you’re obviously biased”. Possible, I would respond, but in my defense, doesn’t being German and having grown up in Germany make you particularly qualified to evaluate the accuracy of statements about Germans (not that that would be a prerequisite).
Biased as I might be, and irrespective of my personal slight, I just want you to know that I find your statements not factually justifiable. (1) Germans – you’re generalising, for no particular reason – do not “tend” to obey orders unquestioningly. At least not the majority of Germans I know. Among them, a number of school dropouts, people who were kicked out of their house by their parents, and people who refused military service. Even some people who left the country for good. As a matter of fact, among my generation anyone who was trying to give “orders” – the term is yours – was not only frowned upon, they were for most part ignored. (2) Personally, I did not perceive the schools I attended (both public schools) “vehicles of indoctrination”, and did not have the impression I was “brought up to unquestioningly accept the authority of the state in all areas of life”. In order not to bore you, let me give you just one example: in a subject called “ethics” (a surrogate for anyone who opted not to attend religious education classes) we had to write essays on where we felt there is discrimination in our country. Possibly – in case you’re right and I, being German, do tend to obey orders unquestioningly – I have not even learned what it means to question any authority, but in school the teachers did not indoctrinate, they invited us to question their authority.

Now that you write schools “have become” these mysterious vehicles of indoctrination, I have two questions: first, when, at what point in recent or not-so-recent history, have they become such vehicles, in other words, when was the changing point, and second, what exactly is it that they indoctrinate?

Whatever it is that makes you think you have the right or the “authority” to make such strong generalisations and condescending remarks about a group of people, I just want you to know that I find them unacceptable, at least in any civilised discussion (which I still believe the Washington Post intends to contribute to). Most probably you are absolutely indifferent to my opinion and to what I find acceptable, and that is understandable. But I hope that you at least take note of this letter, and see to it that whenever in the future you are about to make similar general remarks about one particular group of persons or nationality, you have sufficient evidence that justifies your generalisation.

In this case, I assume you do not. I would welcome your response to prove me wrong.

A reader of the English-language German blog David’s Medienkritik is also angry at me for making my comment on the Germans’ unquestioning obedience to state authority.
 
He writes:

Paul Belien is a psycho who is now spreading this ridiculous homeschool saga – which has until now been relegated to right-wing blogs – to national news. The primary problem with this piece is it is factually incorrect, and misleading. It is full of transparent half-truths (connecting schulpflicht laws to adolf hitler), lack of context (the families are not accurately described, nor was the condition of the main subject in the article), and – quite simply – idiotic and unnecessary slander: “As Hitler knew, Germans tend to obey orders unquestioningly.” Regardless of what you think about the German public, this is an extremely insulting and preposterious statement, as would be any similar statement about Americans.

I posted it as an example of anti-Europe commentary in the U.S. press, which, although it is far less prevalent than anti-US commentary in German/European press, is no less stupid.

Paul Belien has a reputation as an idiot, and for good reason. He was fired from the WSJ years ago after the facts caught up with one of his baseless rants, and how he continues to get published is beyond me, although the WT is a pretty sleazy paper.

Let me say two things:
 
(1) I was never fired from the Wall Street Journal. I was fired from the Belgian newspaper Gazet van Antwerpen for writing an article in the WSJ which the GvA had spiked but later proved to be correct. When I was fired the WSJ wrote an editorial defending me.
 
(2) The fact that there is no public outcry in Germany about Melissa Busekrosordeal is an indication that the Germans are a submissive people. It is not a generalization to state that Germans tend to see the state as a benevolent father (and so, sadly, do most Europeans). They did not oppose Hitler because of their submissive nature (rather than because of an inherent racism) and they have not learned the lesson of their past (and neither have the other Europeans).

Old Joke still rings true

I was taught a joke many years ago.  It seems this post makes it fitting to tell again:

Q?:  What is the difference between a German and a Belgian.

A.:  

 

Germans will think of a law.  They will consider it and then put it through many tests, studies and debates.  They will take the law to the government who will consider all the testing and probably run some of their own.  After all this, it takes time to pass through the ministry.  Once it does and goes into effect and Germans will follow this new law and abide by it for the rest of their lives.

When a Belgian thinks of an idea for a new law, they submit it to government and after a short period it will become law and Belgians will spend the rest of their lives figuring out ways of getting around it.

Sometimes the truth comes out even in jest.

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

Emery

The example of Emery as as an example of harsh justice in the US fails to mention that the crimes he was indicted for are not subject to either a state or federal death death penalty. The only provision left from the Crime Bill of 1994, signed by Pres. Clinton, is that the death penalty still covers "major drug smuggling." Noriega and Escobar might have been eligible but neither charged under those provisions. And to date not one person has met the criteria for this charge. In fact since 1976 the federal government has only executed 3 people. Hardly hang 'em high justice.

Overstructured german work environment

"Amsterdamsky, the piece is about German conformity, not survival of the species. Please try to stay calm." 

 

OK fair enough.  My two cents is that the german workplace is highly structured when compared to an american work environment.  I had my car repared near Koln not long ago and was shocked to find workers arriving early to prepare for the work day.  Too structured and not flexible enough is the complaint I hear from my French business partner.  It saps creativity.  On the positive side they will be able to replace their aging workforce with robots more easily than the rest of the west.

"ridiculous homeschool saga"

Stage 2 ridcule. When that doesn't work they will resort to the legal system next.

from Sonamaca "Were this to happen in the US, there would be a firestorm"

I can think of worse abuses that have gone completely unchallenged in the US such as "Emery, 47, has been indicted by a U.S. grand jury on charges of conspiring to manufacture and distribute marijuana seeds and to engage in money laundering. The RCMP and local police who arrested him last weekend were acting on a request by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, in accordance with a mutual legal assistance treaty.
"http://osgoode.yorku.ca/media2.nsf/83303ffe5af03ed585256ae6005379c9/732a9dd2ce3a28dc8525705700567ad8!OpenDocument

The article fails to mention that he can now face the death penalty under a 1990's law sponsored by Newt Gingrich. Europe has no monopoly on oppressive loony government.

Belien is a psycho

Of course Paul Belien is a psycho.  Who else would consistently stand up for his moral beliefs, regardless of the consequences (like losing your job; being despised by most if not all your colleagues; being threathened by the police coming to your house and being unable to become a journalist in any MSM outfit, and at the same time still remaining a likeable fellow who does not give up and does not become bitter)?  You HAVE to be totally crazy for that, no?

But an idiot?  THAT he most certainly is not.  If he were, the Belgian establishment would not have treated him the way it did. Only the truth hurts. Heck, Mr. Belien would probably be prime minister of Belgium by now if he were :-)

Ed

Keep up the good work, Paul

The journalist's job is to probe, to inform the public of facts, and in so doing to allow the citizenry to challenge its government if need be.

This is the job you do, and this is the job which virtually all MSM "journalists" do not. They might as well be working for Pravda circa 1975.

The German schoolgirl example is truly frightening. Were this to happen in the US, there would be a firestorm.

Germans obey orders

When I was serving as an officer in the United States Army and stationed in Baumholder, Germany, I found that the German civilian Army post employees followed regulations far more diligently than did any American soldier. Our attitude was that regulations were for the commander's guidance. The German's attitude was that that was the regulation.

German conformity

To support PB's point about German conformity: contrast the minimal German reaction to this state treatment of a child with the story about the obese boy in Britain whom the state wanted to take away from his parents because of the poor diet they were giving him. This was a major scandal, covered internationally, as well as all the British papers.

Dropout

I don't know any young Germans so I have no idea whether they are over-obedient to orders or not, but it seems your first correspondent is arguing that the fact there is no pressure in Germany to conform is evidenced by his friends that have been kicked out of or voluntarily left their homes, schools, the army or finally the country because of their refusal to conform. Priceless.

Amsterdamsky, the piece is about German conformity, not survival of the species. Please try to stay calm.

The guy calling you a psycho provided this link

http://www.erlangen.de/de/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-404/1024_read-11990/

Which seems to be a press release by the city of Erlangen regarding this case. The first paragraph states that the separation of the girl from her parents is not about homeschooling at all because Melissa had passed the age for full time school-schooling to be compulsory even before the "Stadtjugendamt" came into action. That is an important fact that seems to have been underrepresented in your reporting on this case so far.

"If you tell Germans that

"If you tell Germans that they backed Hitler because they were racists"

Favoring your own genes in a population is not racist it is BASIC SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIES!!!! Simple Darwinism. We are all inherently racist. The multicult bullshit is simply a power grab by other groups that have lost the power game. Notice how every other group in the world is encouraged to be proud of their identity EXCEPT white men and EXPECIALLY Germans!? Take this crap for what it is please.