Some Predictions and Wishes for 2008

I said to the man who stood at the Gate of the Year,
"Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown".

As I write, in solsitio brumali, I am much in need of a light to see clearly into 2008. For bookmakers, clairvoyants and bloggers, prediction is a risky business and always likely to lead to copious amounts of egg on the face. But no one could say other than that 2008 will be another fascinating year.

The death of Benazir Bhutto inevitably dominates one’s thoughts. In early Autumn an American commentator on the BBC, whose name I cannot now recall, but who spoke plain, sound common sense made one short but telling point which drew my attention: “the one thing that really frightens me is Pakistan, it keeps me awake at night”. His analysis was both sobering and chilling and, as it turns out, prescient.

Pakistan is surely the tinderbox upon which the West must deploy its greatest skill to encourage it to stability. The alternative, that it and its nuclear arsenal might fall into the hand of Muslim fundamentalists, is too awful to contemplate. With some signs that the Army is not entirely loyal, especially on the NW Frontier where Al-Qaeda has its bolt-holes, the chances of a major collapse of the existing order cannot be discounted. Failure is not an option for the West.

In November climaxes the almost permanent campaigning for the White House these days. I am fascinated by the USA’s political processes and electoral system which have some echoes of our own but are largely so different. I love the idea of the caucus which our Conservative party in Britain might with advantage adopt for candidate selection.

Pay careful attention to the role of the internet in general and blogging in particular as I believe both will play an increasingly important part in politics both there and here.

How would I vote? In the Democratic primaries, my vote would go to the deeply poisonous Mrs. Clinton on the grounds that she will have the effect of uniting her Republican opposition and getting their vote out that much easier. Of the Republicans I would choose Giuliani. He made a good fist of New York’s Mayoralty, strikes me as a pragmatist and, though tough, is no ideologue.

Romney and Huckabee would make any Englishman uncomfortable as we avoid mixing politics and religion, an irony considering that we have an Established State Church and the USA specifically does not.

Huckabee, as I understand it, is one of those gentle but intellectually challenged souls who believes the Bible literally to be true: that is a matter entirely for him, of course, but I do wish he would tell us how Moses managed to get two of every animal, plant and so forth that has ever existed on Earth into one vessel and just how big it was…

In the Presidential Election I would be a natural Republican supporter, though not if the candidate was again George W. Bush. His tenure has not been illustrious: his handling of the economy has been inept, he has managed to make a hash of an eminently winnable and justified war and I would find supporting someone who fell in love with Blair so much almost impossible.

Turning to British politics, we have just come through perhaps the most extraordinary nine months: one wonders how 2008 can match it. Brown’s transition, as Vince Cable of the Liberal Democrats so pithily put it, from Stalin to Mr. Bean who, instead of bringing order out of chaos, has brought chaos out of order, has been astonishing. I liked this in The Daily Telegraph which, I reckon, hits the nail on the head.

Brown is essentially a creature of the 1970s by which time he was engaged full-time in Scottish Labour politics. Apart from a short period in his late twenties and early thirties when he was a Politics lecturer and then a Broadcast journalist, he had no experience in his formative years of the real world outside the narrow confines of tribalist Scottish politics.

Worse, for seventeen of the twenty-four years as an MP he has held, as shadow or in office, a Treasury brief. Since 1992 he has done nothing else, contributing, one suspects, to the lumpen way he has responded to the exigencies of being Prime Minister, an office which requires a breadth and depth of experience and vision which his career path could never give him.

I will stick my neck out and predict that he will fail to recover his position in 2008. The economy looks set, at best, for a difficult period which will fatally undermine his record for economic competence. He has a modus operandi which may have served well in the Treasury but which is wholly unsuited to the Premiership and which he is organically incapable of adapting to its needs.

He has chosen his Cabinet on the basis of excluding any potential rival (David Miliband was carefully exiled to the Foreign Office where it is difficult to build a powerbase and which offers many opportunities for blunder) and has therefore ended up with a select group of inexperienced and incompetent nobodies who will serve up a string of disasters upon which his administration will be wrecked. It is possible he might yet be deposed as Labour MPs contemplate oblivion.

In the meantime David Cameron’s star will, if he works hard and keeps a clear head, be in the ascendant.

My one wish from him is a consistent policy on the Treaty of Lisbon. He has promised a referendum on the unratified Treaty and that he would campaign against it on the basis that it is not in Britain’s interest. Yet he and William Hague have fudged so far what their policy is on a Treaty that had come into force by the time he wins an election. The Treaty does not cease to be against our interests by coming into force: indeed it becomes more inimical. We must persuade him to offer the possibilities of renegotiation, derogation or denunciation, for doing nothing would be dishonourable and dishonest.

Hopefully, any world economic downturn will be mild and short in effect. The Northern Rock collapse sent a chill down the spines of many. The world ‘credit crunch’ is a cause for alarm in the UK in particular given the extent to which Gordon Brown as Chancellor has allowed debt to build up throughout the UK economy. His plan for a wholly premature general election, later cravenly abandoned, prompted the question: what does he know about the economy in 2008 which might make him want an election now?

Elsewhere keep a careful watch on the military build up of both Russia and China. Each of these is a potential enemy for the middle quarters of the 21st. Century. The USA and the UK must not allow themselves to be totally distracted by Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and in particular must not allow their Armed Forces to be dominated in terms of doctrine, equipment, training and outlook by the sort of light wars now being fought in the Middle East.

Lastly there is Belgium.

One’s attention is drawn to two things.

Firstly that power has been devolved both downwards to Flanders and Wallonia and upwards to the EU to such an extent that a modern industrial state can run for six months without a government. This is a stark reminder of the extent to which the nation state has been emasculated within the EU.

Secondly, how can one call an election legitimate that leads to the acknowledged losers being rewarded with a new mandate? That is the unsatisfactory result of Belgium’s 2007 General Election which may be a short-term fix but will do little to enhance the validity of a system already struggling against a serious democratic deficit.

Belgium’s political crisis may just be beginning in earnest.



Re: Too Early

@marcfrans & Norman Conquest:

I agree, it is too early.

It's been almost 50 years since Americans elected a Senator to the White House (JFK). We generally tend to elect governors, so I think Romney or Giuliani or even Huckabee (who I don't like either!) have a better chance, historically speaking. Of course the Democrat mantra of "changechangechangechangechange" will be drummed into our heads this year, but I think many Americans are onto their game.

Mark Steyn was right when he noted that the Republican candidates are truly diverse: some favor gun control, some don't, some favor abortion, some don't, some favor illegal immigration, some don't, some favor withdrawal from Iraq, some don't etc... However, the Democratic candidates are superficially "diverse": a woman, a black man, a metro male, and a "native American".... but they all favor gun control, abortion, illegals, Iraq withdrawal, etc... so who actually has "diversity"?

I just wish we could pluck all the good qualities and positions from each Republican candidate and put them in a blender... but of course, if wishes were nickels...

@MarcFrans

I am really moved by your answer and I am very happy to see that there are still very sensible persons in this world. I say this without any manipulative intention - you deserve much better anyway. Thank you. I also agree with your short comment regarding America's starting election campaign.

Too early

@ Norman Conquest

A direct question deserves a direct answer.

NO, I am not an "opponent" of GWBush.  To be such an "opponent" would be foolish, because GWB is the leader of the 'free world', or what is left of it.  But, like every thinking person, I have my agreements and disagreemnts with GWB.   I certainly support his strategic goals in Iraq, although I disagree with some of his past tactics (but then, words are easy).

In the elections of 2000, I was for John McCain, in part bacause I think that US federal presidential elections should be MAINLY judged on foreign policy grounds.  In the current elections, as things stand now, I tend to favor Romney, but I 'could live' with McCain (despite some recent 'flaps' of his), or Giuliani, or even Thompson.  I do NOT like Huckabee and Ron Paul.  And I would be distressed (but resigned) if Clinton or Obama get in.  I expect Obama to lead to another bout of Jimmy Carter-like 'results' around the world.   

@MarcFrans

Thank you Marc for your comment.
1) To me paleo-conservatism is tantamount to paralysed conservatism. So the question is: what's the real difference between a paleo-conservative and a liberal (in the US of the term)? Both are incoherent.
2) Are you an opponent to GWB? If there is a decent statesman in the Western world at all at least at the moment, President Bush is just that. Everything he's done has systematically been criticised negatively. His presidency was to be destroyed whatever the cost, whatever the irrational moves. It all started well before March 2003. Anti-Bushism has nothing to do with Irak. The conflict in the Middle East is just an alibi, can you appreciate the large-scale manipulation? Do you think that the Liberal Left really cares about "the poor Irakis" at all? Come on. I also miss Karl Rove very much but I know he's around anyway. I've posted several links out of my virtual library on the TBJ site, but they have obviously failed to convince you. You want to remain on the safe side. OK. I am a neo-con, because I've always been a neo-con. No bullshit. No nonsense, i.e. no appeasement, no political correctness, no manipulation, etc.  
 

Clarification

@ Norman Conquest

I still hope to 'speed up' your comprehension of Kapitein Andre.  He is definitely NOT a "liberal" (in the American sense of the word).  Whatever his physical location, he is culturally very much a certain type of 'European paleo conservative'.  He shares with 'liberals' a deep-felt anti-Americanism, statism and philosophical moral-relativism, but hates their multicul illusions.  He is very different from most American conservatives in terms of adherence to specific values. I do not think that he is very "incoherent" in his opinions, but rather quite consistent in expounding viewpoints reflecting relativism and 'bad' values.  He also regularly suffers from 'bad character' traits (which is somewhat linked to moral relativism).

@ Der Hauptmann (Kapitein) Andre 

As always, your 'method' of narrowly commenting on single sentences leads you astray.  It is better to focus on the central idea from the context of these sentences.

1) You claimed that the Security Council operated like a "cartel".  I disputed that on the basis that the permanent 5 are each others' natural enemies in the world today.  They do not operate like a cartel.  In that sense the composition of the SC is "meaningless". 

Of course, countries like Japan, Germany, Brazil, and India resent the current 'monopoly' of the 5 on the 'permanent' seats, but that does not refute my thesis that the 5 do not operate like a cartel.  The biggest opponents to a new 'dispensation' regarding permanent seats are China and the 'little' ones (France, and Britain).  These 3 all obtained their 'permanent' seats thanks to (rather foolish) American generosity at the end of ww2, over the objections of the other victor in ww2, i.e. the Soviet Union. 

2) Yes, I do believe that the way Americans vote can be "correlated in some way" with their degree of patriotism.  I could posit a couple of very simple criteria to measure "patriotism", judge a number of well-known people (say politicians) on the basis of these criteria, and could then easily predict how they would vote on important issues.  Do you have any doubt that selfhaters like Jimmy Carter or Al Gore would be prepared to have foreign 'judges' rule on the conduct of American soldiers?   Do you think that these people publicly attacking their own country and government on foreign soil, when their country is at war on the same 'soil', could be in any shape or form be construed as "patriotic"?  If so,  I got some choice words for you in store...

3) I agree with you that one can oppose the Bush Administration without "echoing the NYT's rant".  But I have not seen much evidence of that on your part.  In order to be able to do that, you would have to be able to relieve yourself of that 'elitist' and visceral anti-Bush attitude which seems to hinder rational exposition.

@KAPITEIN ANDRE

"It's clear that you don't know my opinions on the subject. So instead of lumping me together with this fellow with whom I am unfamiliar, keep my name out of your mouth and we'll keep it the same".
Sure, I will do anything to please a Liberal. Now, your sentence here is no answer. Your opinion on the subject? You've had so many opinions so far that it's just very difficult indeed to understand what you really think on this and other subjects. You are flirting with incoherence. So I will keep it cool and ignore your comments from now on. Hopeless.   

Coda

Kapitein Andre said:

"each and every female African slave was raped and usually impregnated by her White American owner".

From KA:

"The said "allegation" was not directed towards you, and is not a matter for debate. If you want to take an opposite position and bring evidence to bear supporting it, be my guest. However, I will be unlikely to pay attention..."

You made a statememt alleging an historical event. I repeatedly asked you for substantiation for your assertion. We are adults commenting on a political blog, and you say that your statement is not a "matter for debate"? Are you saying that you can claim certain historical events as true based solely on your subjective musings? How solipsistic. And that's usually considered a woman's weakness.

Secondly, you tell ME to provide evidence to the contrary??? This is a basic tenet of rational thinking: you can only PROVE a positive!

What a pseudo-savant you are! Your pathetic cover ups and obfuscations mirror those of the Muslims in CAIR - but at least they are united in a purpose - inimical as it is.

You lie simply to prop up a pathetic ego.

In Reply to marcfrans RE: Digging a bit deeper

marcfrans: Also, you seem to think that there is a "cartel of powers" that dominates the United Nations. If you mean by that the permanent 5 members of the Security Council, then that is pretty meaningless.
 
The composition of the UN Security Council is not "meaningless" to countries such as India, Japan, Brazil and Germany. Irrespective of the UNSC's efficacy, the West retains the advantage in the current geopolitical balance of power; overall, the global north is far superior in terms of military, political and economic power than the south. Furthermore, "domination" in the UN does not necessarily imply domination through the mechanisms of the UN...
 
marcfrans: While it is true that there are "true Americans" in both blue and red states, it is also true that there are self-loathing Americans to be found in both blue and red states. The distiction between red and blue derives from election results between the two major parties. It does not equate with the distinction between patriotic Americans and self-loathing Americans, although some kind of correlation could be empirically established, no doubt.
 
So you believe that an American's vote can be correlated with their patriotism?
 
marcfrans: ...the adjective "true" becomes meaningless unless you are willing to define American patriotism...
 
My point to Norman Conquest was that those Americans which he referred to as anti-American, primarily for their opposition to the Republican Party and in particular the Bush administration, probably feel similarly about him. I suggested secession or civil war because Norman Conquest seemed unable to accept the Voltaic 'agree to disagree' option (i.e. respect for plurality), which seems essential to liberal democracy.
 
marcfrans: One could surely have a serious argument about the 'wisdom' of the policy, or lack thereof, both in terms of whether it is realistic/ achievable and/or whether the benefits justify the costs. But it is NOT reasonable to deny - as you do - that it is harder to defend this difficult policy compared with "echoing the NYT rant" (which is Norman Conquest's euphemism for joining the facile crowd).
 
Norman Conquest's euphemism is a loaded one. One can oppose the Bush administration without "echoing the NYT rant". Moreover, because he holds certain opinions in contempt, he prides himself on his ability to defend 'difficult' positions, which is an entirely different subject than evaluating the George W. Bush presidency.

In Reply to atheling III

atheling: You made an allegation about ALL American slave owners raping and impregnating EACH AND EVERY female African slave.
 
O.K...
 
atheling: I asked you for substantiation for such an allegation.
 
It's not worth my time and effort. The said "allegation" was not directed towards you, and is not a matter for debate. If you want to take an opposite position and bring evidence to bear supporting it, be my guest. However, I will be unlikely to pay attention...
 
atheling: You have ignored my request, and only responded with evasion, obfuscation and more lies when I pressured you.
 
Your preoccupation with "obfuscate" and its noun is becoming rather annoying. It is high time to consult your thesaurus. So much for  feigning articulateness...
 
atheling: So far you have yet to present any evidence, presumably because you HAVE NO EVIDENCE.
 
Presumably to you perhaps, but not certainly.
 
atheling: Therefore, either you are a fool who believes such a ludicrous statement (and try to think why it's ludicrous), or you are simply spreading malicious lies, which makes you an evil person.
 
This does not logically follow. You would have to prove that the statement in question is "ludicrous" first.
 
atheling: ...you will be called to the carpet...
 
[insert joke here]
 
atheling: I see you removed your photo...Your pointing that handgun, even in jest, violates one of the basic laws of gun handling... it is NOT A TOY...
 
Right..............
 
Go stalk someone else.

In Reply to Norman Conquest III

Norman Conquest: It's clear that people like Kappert and Kapitein Andre belong to the crowd of silly appeasers.
 
It's clear that you don't know my opinions on the subject. So instead of lumping me together with this fellow with whom I am unfamiliar, keep my name out of your mouth and we'll keep it the same.

@ Kapitein Andre

Which language do you really speak at home? DER Kapitein seems to be rather confusing, but coming from you ...

@KA

"I fail to see what is anti-American about either the slavery comment or the denouncing of Bush's public speaking skills. You are merely echoing marcfrans' assumptions about my attitudes towards the United States."

You made an allegation about ALL American slave owners raping and impregnating EACH AND EVERY female African slave. I asked you for substantiation for such an allegation. You have ignored my request, and only responded with evasion, obfuscation and more lies when I pressured you. So far you have yet to present any evidence, presumably because you HAVE NO EVIDENCE. Therefore, either you are a fool who believes such a ludicrous statement (and try to think why it's ludicrous), or you are simply spreading malicious lies, which makes you an evil person.

Frankly, I don't care if you like or hate America. But don't come to this site and shoot off your mouth and expect to get away with it when you LIE. Maybe you got away with that kind of garbage when you were a child, but in the world of adults, you will be called to the carpet for it. You are responsible for what you say and write in the real world.

I'll not comment on the rest of your blathering.

It's not worth the powder.

(I see you removed your photo. BTW, in the grown up world - well at least in the grown up world of the US - you NEVER point a gun at a person unless you intend to shoot him. Your pointing that handgun, even in jest, violates one of the basic laws of gun handling... it is NOT A TOY).

@MARCFRANS & KAPPERT ON THE IDEOLOGY OF LOSERS


@MARCFRANS:


No comment on my previous posting below?


No worries.


 


@KAPPERT


http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2007/03/21/the_essence_of_liberalism_embracing_lifes_losers

Kopf in the sand

@ Kappert
 

As usual you are not focusing on the issue. 

I have made the effort to address your nonsensical statement that "success stories of non-violence do not occur...with Europeans".   Indeed, it is just the opposite, I have explained to you that such SUCCESS stories were only possible because of...'Europeans' (in the broader sense of western powers).  And surely, if you make an effort, you could find numerous examples of great 'non-violent' individuals in European history, even in colonial European history.   There is also the 'little' question of what "success" really means in this context.   

Now, are you 'big' enough to recognise your mistake?  No, you obviously are not.  What is your response to my argument?  It is to irrelevantly to complain about "pacifists have always been easy to eliminate" and to refer again to "fundamentalists of all colours" (including, no doubt, in your prejudiced mind, the one in the 'White House).  

Try to get 'real', and get your head out of the sand.

And, NO, sainthood is not hypocrisy. That is a nonsensical statement to make, and no amount of gobbledygook of yours about "dualism" can hide that.  It is Mandela - a real person - who is a hypocrite.   

@marcfrans

It is rather simplistic to judge on other persons. Before calling me naïve and having phantasies on 'perverse western self-hate', please note that I do not give 'sainthood' to anybody. People are good AND bad, to say it in a dualistic form you understand, so 'sainthood' is a hypocrisy. Nevertheless, “these people did and do exist, but they are dead or rotting away in dungeons “ - that's right, it has been always quite easy to eliminate pacifists, they are not appreciated by the fundamentalists of all colours.
Ps: I like your 'be happy ...' comment

@MARCFRANS

Thanks. I was pretty sure you would say that and I must say I share your point.
However, don't you think that people like you and me, or like Atheling and Paul Belien, would have been silenced a long time ago if we had posted these comments of ours with the same content on "Liberal", "Leftist" and/or socialist (sorry for this repetition) blogs?
It's clear that people like Kappert and Kapitein Andre belong to the crowd of silly appeasers.
To put it simply, appeasement leads nowhere. The West appeased the Moslem world for too long, hence 9/11, Madrid, London, Bali, the current war in Irak, events in Pakistan, etc.  
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (roll down the homepage to see update of all the terror attacks performed since 2001 by the captain's appeased friends around the world).
As far as I know, Moslem terror started way before the first Gulf War and the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein's regime (not the now free Irak) was also a terrorist act. The West negotiated with Kapitein Andre's friend for over 12 years, to no avail.
As regards Jesus-Christ and christianity, it's true that it's better to turn the other cheek, but only up to a point, i.e. as long as your very existence is not in danger. And this will probably surprise you, I am amongst those who believe that there was a link between Saddam's regime and al Qaeda. Read Stephen Hayes. His findings are not just hypotheses.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
Well, this does not come from the NYT. But like you've rightfully said, "we all need to hear different viewpoints.  How else, can people clarify - in their own minds - their own thinking, unless it is challenged by other viewpoints".
Moslem terror is like cancer on this planet. The supposedly anthropogenic global warming is the wrong priority, a bit like the tree hiding the forest.
Do you treat cancer with homeopathy? Well, you can try. Tell me if it works. I doubt it. Moreover, it is also impossible to negotiate with cancer. Or what's the deal then? "Oh cancer my cancer, do not kill me please and I'll give up drinking, smoking, eating, whatever, but don't kill me". Do you think that's enough to stop this illness? The only thing to do is to use strong therapy, including allopathy (war) and, if necessary, chemiotherapy (the bomb).

In Reply to atheling II

atheling: Don't give me that "merit a response" garbage, KA...
 
It's Der Kapitein to you, m'lady.
 
atheling: ...you were caught with your foot in your mouth and you know it.
 
Not really. If you wish to challenge any of my claims, do so with evidence, not with insults and melodrama.
 
atheling: Your anti Americanism has made you a fool.
 
I fail to see what is anti-American about either the slavery comment or the denouncing of Bush's public speaking skills. You are merely echoing marcfrans' assumptions about my attitudes towards the United States.
 
atheling: You blurt out stupid comments and when someone calls you on it, you obfuscate, evade, and make stupider comments.
 
Thus far you have only challenged me on that singular slavery-related comment. As far as your contributions to the Brussels Journal are concerned, if they can even be referred to as that, they merely regurgitate the positions of the article in question or previous responses to it. Never have I associated you with dynamic, thought-provoking or innovative commentary, which is why I tend to tussle with marcfrans, with whom I can split the finer hairs.
 
atheling: You really embarass yourself - and I'm not just referring to the bad haircut.
 
On the contrary, I'm quite pleased with my hairstyle, and dare say that it has garnered its fair share of compliments. I can only assume that the aforementioned comment struck a nerve somewhere. Perhaps you have some African-American ancestry, although I seem to recall you claiming to be an American Roman Catholic female of Korean or Chinese ancestry. In any event, you do not interest me. Instead of embarassing yourself discussing serious subjects such as abortion, perhaps you need to venture out into that complex realm of sex and relationships, get yourself a date and heaven-forbid forgo the whole 'no sex before marriage' thing. No one here has either the time or energy for your PMS meltdowns.

Be happy....

...that Kappert is "looking ...at the TBJ".  He needs it, more than most!

@ Norman Conquest

You do not have to "understand" why he is looking here.  Be happy he does.  Because we all need to hear different viewpoints.  How else, can people clarify - in their own minds - their own thinking, unless it is challenged by other viewpoints?  
 
 

@MARC FRANS

I still don't understand what Kappert is looking for at the BJ. To me he's more like a reader of the Frank-Farter Algemeine.

Western self-hatred

Kappert wrote "....success stories of non-violence... do not occur with Europeans", and he then went on to express his reverence for figures like Ghandi and Mandela.  Kappert is a perfect example of the naive westerner suffering from perverse western self-hatred.

The crucial facts here are NOT that Ghandi and Mandela are nonwesterners, but rather that they faced (culturally) 'western' governments or powers. Ghandi faced the British government, and Mandela faced Dutch and British South Africans.  It is precisely because they faced 'western-type' governments' that their campaigns of non-violence were able to achieve a significant measure of success.  If they had campaigned in such a way against typically ruthless nonwestern governments, one would never have heard from (and of) them again.    Kappert should ask himself, why we don't know about any Ghandi's today in Cuba, in China, in North Korea, in the Arab world, etc... These people did and do exist, but they are dead or rotting away in dungeons, out of sight of the naive Kapperts of the world. 

And before Kappert bestows 'sainthood' on someone like Mandela, he better consider first Mandela' s hypocrisy.  Mandela was a brave man.  He was also 'generous' on his release (after having reached a reasonable political accomodation with De Clerck), and he restrained a natural desire for immediate revenge.  But, what was his first international 'gesture', after he became President?  He went on a state visit to 2 of his 'friends', running totalitarian governments, Libya and Cuba. (This was in the days before Khadafi's 'rehabilitation' and before Castro's sickness).  These regimes have their own 'Mandelas' rotting away in jails.  Did that stop Mandela?  No.  In short, he was all for freedom for his 'own' people, not for the freedom of other peoples.   In some respects, Mandela was a great man, but he is also a hypocrite!

@kappert

Kappert,I'm sure you'd like to join myself,Ann Coulter and President Bush in wishing Nelson Mandela and Robert Mugabe a very  Happy Kwanzaa.I have no doubt Gandhi would have approved.

that's right

I would defend myself (see Lao-tsé), no need to kill.

Re: The difference

"I wouldn't kill anybody".
 
So,you wouldn't even kill to defend your own life or the lives of your closest family members?

@Kapitein Andre

Don't give me that "merit a response" garbage, KA, you were caught with your foot in your mouth and you know it.

Your anti Americanism has made you a fool. You blurt out stupid comments and when someone calls you on it, you obfuscate, evade, and make stupider comments.

You really embarass yourself - and I'm not just referring to the bad haircut.

that's the difference

"I would kill that bastard anytime"

That's the difference between us. I wouldn't kill anybody. I am well aware of the lucky times I'm living as I never experienced a situation of war, although I served in the military. Exactly for not entering in war, I 'preach' non-violence, and as the example of Jesus shows, there might be even a success in the end. The apartheid regime in South Africa (1948-1994) was a very sophisticated system, classifying individuals by race, and creating a classification board to rule on race-based infractions. Thus, killings were not necessarily prosecuted. I do not know any numbers of killings, but at least you know about Sharpeville. The situation in Zimbabwe is a mess and Mr Mugabe is a pain in the ass. But Gandhi did indeed condemn the fighting between hindus and muslims - see Kashmir Issue 04/01/1948.

@KAPPERT - You're an anecdote, not the antidote!

All in all, you propose homeopathy vs. allopathy. Both are complementary, dear. It all depends on the illness you want to cure...Moreover, I am not sure that all the anti-war and anti-Bush demonstrations were that pacifistic. The demonstrators both in the US and Old Europe were so aggressive. Very far from the idea you want me to have about Ghandalf. There were lots of alter-something supporters. Although I am an alter-socialist and an alter-islamofascist (it's about the same), I was not there of course.Why are pro-Bush Conservatives afraid to show their support for this President? Why does the left, especially the MSM, not tolerate contradiction? What's this large-scale manipulation and intellectual terrorism?Again, e.g. when the question of multiculturalism is considered, it's only in one direction. What's the agenda? So do not teach us lessons of peace and tolerance, please!At least, with the Right, you immediately understand what the rules of the game are all about. There is no hidden agenda, even if for some, I can only agree, some pills may be hard to swallow...

@ kappert

Oh mama mia kappert, I would kill that bastard anytime he comes in my range, guaranteed. Wake up man.
Jezus was much stronger and purer than I was and NEVER allowed to strike at any other person, he whipped the moneychangers out of the temple and that's as far as he went. He sacrificed himself for the "sinners" at the same time. I could not do that.
Mandela commanded the ANC while he was in jail and afterwards condoned killings. That's enough for me. He ran a communist trained gang of thugs and the "terrible" apartheid never killed thousands of people, not even hundreds, Sharpeville was the biggest killing.
One prediction: it will take longer than Zimbabwe but it will go the same way.
Ghandi never condemned the disasters happening during separation and he could have.

@ Kappert

Q: Is there ANY cause for which you would be prepared to kill? If so,name it and give your reasons why.
 
Thank you.

In Reply to atheling

atheling: You're wrong on that. marcfrans is VERY familiar with the US...And my observations of the times that marcfrans frequents this site gives me reason to conclude that he probably lives in the US - the west coast...
 
I always did imagine marcfrans in Dickies, chillaxing to Sublime...
 
atheling: ...I'm not asking for marcfrans' confirmation - privacy issue
 
Yes, I am sure he would prefer to answer for himself.
 
atheling: so far from what I have observed YOU are the one who is unfamiliar with America's history and culture, i.e. your absurd statement about American slaveowners raping and impregnating "each and every" female black slave - talk about ludicrous!
 
I noticed that you thoroughly enjoyed that one. :)
 
atheling: So, are you going to give me your source for your statement on American slaveowners? Or are you just going to stand there and bleed to death?
 
I could have been on blood thinners: you don't know what you do to me atheling. In any case, I don't think you quite merit a response. Nor am I concerned as to whether or not you take personal issue with the comment.

explications

Thanks for the explication, I was afraid you wouldn't consider them as non-violent. The anti-war (not anti-Bush) demos were at least more peaceful than the war itself, causing close to 1 million casualties in just four years. And Gandhi did not have 'dead people on his conscience', he surely deplored the killings that occurred in the time of India's struggle for independence. Nelson Mandela did not kill anybody and contributed to end a brutal apartheid regime. Jesus was the founder of a religion which was persecuted by the political regime through centuries. May I call it 'resistance'? And Chinese philosophy does not reject violent emotions. As I said before, non-violence is not a dichotomy. Mr bin Laden is an acknowledged criminal and should be brought to court, I didn't say 'kill him'.

@ kappert

Traveller: "Ghandi was hiding behind Nehru and spoke about peaceful actions while hundredthousands were killed and millions displaced".
 
Gandhi: " It is better to be violent,if there is violence in our hearts,than to put on the cloak of non violence to cover impotence".
 
Kappert: "Maybe,if there are proofs ( a US President should have sent) a dedicated team to get Mr bin Laden".
 
Gandhi: "I am prepared to die,but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill".
 
Kappert,THINK about it!
  

@ kappert

Because Mandela and Ghandi had death people on their conscience from the beginning.
Lao Tse and Christ never even hinted at revenge or killing nor did they organise resistance fighters.
Mandela had already 1000 white farmers on his conscience while he was president, today the count is at over 2000 killed by ANC thugs. Did he object in oublic? Did he stop them? NO and no.
Ghandi was hiding behind Nehru and spoke about peaceful actions while hundredthousands were killed and millions displaced.
Lao Tse had no political aspirations whatsoever and only "preached" the straight and narrow path to enlightment, nothing else.
Christ turned his other cheek which is the most difficult thing to do and to teach.
So please a little bit of discernment in values.
The fact that I have to explain this is already clear enough about the shallowness of our times.

@kappert

I repeat,sending in an assassination squad to "get" OBL is NOT Ahimsa "Gandhi-style".

why

DO NOT EVER PUT MANDELA AND GHANDI ON THE SAME LEVEL AS JEZUS AND LAO TSE. I am not going to argue about it, just inform yourself.

Sorry, but you have to explain that position.

@KAPPERT

All in all, you propose homeopathy vs. allopathy. Both are complementary, dear. It all depends on the illness you want to cure...
Moreover, I am not sure that all the anti-war and anti-Bush demonstrations were that pacifistic. The demonstrators both in the US and Old Europe were so aggressive. Very far from the idea you want me to have about Ghandalf. There were lots of alter-something supporters. Although I am an alter-socialist and an alter-islamofascist (it's about the same), I was not there of course.
Why are pro-Bush Conservatives afraid to show their support for this President? Why does the left, especially the MSM, not tolerate contradiction? What's this large-scale manipulation and intellectual terrorism?
Again, e.g. when the question of multiculturalism is considered, it's only in one direction. What's the agenda? So do not teach us lessons of peace and tolerance, please!
At least, with the Right, you immediately understand what the rules of the game are all about. There is no hidden agenda, even if for some, I can only agree, some pills may be hard to swallow...

@ kappert

I just discovered this line of postings and comments 10 minutes ago.
I will not rehash everything which has been said here, just one small comment:
DO NOT EVER PUT MANDELA AND GHANDI ON THE SAME LEVEL AS JEZUS AND LAO TSE. I am not going to argue about it, just inform yourself.

You all have been very busy,

You all have been very busy, although there is little substance. The reactions are no surprise, as non-violence is normally seen as something ridiculous, absurd and unreal, not coping with the 'nature of human' as we are pretty violent beasts and, yes, we do kill innocence. It should be clear that the concept of non-violence is no dichotomy. There is the right of self-defense, law and order guaranteed by police forces, etc. It is also very clear that the success stories of non-violence (Lao-tsé in China, Jesus in Palestine, Gandhi in India, Mandela in South Africa, ...) do NOT occur with Europeans, including those colonizing the 'New World'. Further, it is needed a big amount of courage to behave in a gandhi-style, it's easier to call Mr Murdock for some propaganda (inventing funny words) and send B-52s. Or watching 'Ben Hur' with rifle-star Charlton Heston. May I indicate another book: Mohandas Gandhi: All men are brothers.

@Kapitan Andrey Anybodybutbushovich Anythingbutbadfaithov

@ Comrade Kapitan Andrey Anybodybutbushovich Anythingbutbadfaithov of the Red-lativist Army:
Great! I like it when Libs are furious, a bit like in November 2004. That was better than the guy responsible for the discharge of the light brigade into the mouths of some trainees.

Digging a bit deeper

@ Kapitein A
 

1) I agree that an opinion should be held independently of the number of people in the world who are holding it.  That number says nothing about the quality of any opinion.  Also, you seem to think that there is a "cartel of powers" that dominates the United Nations.  If you mean by that the permanent 5 members of the Security Council, then that is pretty meaningless.  As you well know, these members essentially cancel each other out, since they are each others' natural enemies in the world.   Security Council resolutions in practice are meaningless, unless 2 conditions are fulfilled: (1) China and Russia are willing NOT to block reasonable resolutions, and (2) the US is willing to put up blood and treasure to implement them.   If these conditions are not met, then you can be sure that we are not talking about "reasonable" resolutions.  So, this is not really "a cartel dominating".  If, on the other hand, you mean the countless resolutions being passed by the General Assembly (either in NY or at the frequent 'jamborees' held around the world), to vent either irrational and/or cost-free (to the majority passing them) sentiments, that is pretty meaningless too, and not really comparable to the actions of a real "cartel" with genuine consequences in markets. 

2) Your extreme moral relativism (in the sense of refusing to make NECESSARY moral judgments) is again hurting your credibility (among serious people).  While it is true that there are "true Americans" in both blue and red states, it is also true that there are self-loathing Americans to be found in both blue and red states.  The distiction between red and blue derives from election results between the two major parties.  It does not equate with the distinction between patriotic Americans and self-loathing Americans, although some kind of correlation could be empirically established, no doubt.  Certainly, many anti-American Americans will consider themselves "true" Americans.  That does not mean that they actually are.  This would require further clarification of specific criteria for defining and determining the presence of "patriotism", which I am not going to do here.   My point is simply that the adjective "true" becomes meaningless unless you are willing to define American patriotism (at least to yourself).

3) Again, while it is true that the veracity of an argument does not depend on how fervently one argues for a particular position, you are certainly being DISINGENUOUS when you deny the obvious, i.e. that it is harder to defend President Bush's foreign policies than "echoing the NYT's rant".  This argument depends, of course, on the meaning of "harder".  It is "hard" to defend Bush's foreign policy essentially for 2 reasons: (1) because it is extremely ambitious (in terms of its goals) and represents a sharp break from the practice in preceding decades and, (2) for that very reason it is bound to be unpopular (at least in the short term) because it will be inevitably costly.   One could surely have a serious argument about the 'wisdom' of the policy, or lack thereof, both in terms of whether it is realistic/ achievable and/or whether the benefits justify the costs.  But it is NOT reasonable to deny - as you do - that it is harder to defend this difficult policy compared with "echoing the NYT rant" (which is Norman Conquest's euphemism for joining the facile crowd).

@Norman Conquest 304

Sometimes I'm not sure why I even bother responding to some of the PC crowd's foolishness - I just can't let them get away with it! Good thing I don't have high blood pressure.

Keep up the good fight!

@KA

"Your comments on the United States betray a marked unfamiliarity with it such that I do not believe you have ever set foot on American soil, although I cannot rule out visitation."

You're wrong on that. marcfrans is VERY familiar with the US - so far from what I have observed YOU are the one who is unfamiliar with America's history and culture, i.e. your absurd statement about American slaveowners raping and impregnating "each and every" female black slave - talk about ludicrous! Your ignorance about American gun culture as well from another comment you made previously...

And my observations of the times that marcfrans frequents this site gives me reason to conclude that he probably lives in the US - the west coast, I would hazard to guess (and I'm not asking for marcfrans' confirmation - privacy issue)

So, are you going to give me your source for your statement on American slaveowners? Or are you just going to stand there and bleed to death?

In Reply to marcfrans RE 'Speculation'

marcfrans: One can reasonably assume that Kapitein Andre does NOT live in Belgium, nor in the Netherlands.  I base this conclusion on the fact that he has never commented on the Dutch-language part of this website.  A man of his 'character' could not forego that if his Dutch language skills were good enough.
 
Oh really? You know what happens when you ass|u|me, right?
 
marcfrans: At the same time, he chose a Dutch/Flemish pseudonym, and it is obvious that he is very familiar with the 'details' (not so much the big picture) of both Western-European and North-American history and politics. It is also clear (at least to me) that he enjoys it when people are speculating wrongly about his background and location. So, rest assured that he will derive (let's call it) "psychic income" from reading this post.
 
My "psychic income" is derived from your consistent rising to the bait. Perhaps you need to brush up on the "details" yourself before tackling the "big picture". Your comments on the United States betray a marked unfamiliarity with it such that I do not believe you have ever set foot on American soil, although I cannot rule out visitation.
 
marcfrans: Perhaps his (recent) ancestry lies in Flanders (or in the Netherlands), but he himself resides in Canada? That would certainly fit his anti-yankee sentiments and Bush-bashing tendencies, and conform with Canada's cultural transformation of recent decades since the Trudeau days. It could also account for his "au contraire".
 
Ah the guessing game continues! As far as Canada is concerned, even a cursory glance at its history indicates a certain anti-American sentiment present since the American Revolution or War of Independence. Canada's ambivalence towards its largest trading partner and military ally is as obvious as the past resentment of Great Britain by Australia and New Zealand, due in no small part to the misuse of the latters' soldiers as pure cannon fodder in the Boer and Great Wars. Furthermore, "anti-yankee sentiments" and "Bush-bashing tendencies" can be found throughout the world and English is the latter's great lingua franca.
 
marcfrans: But, this is all pure speculation, and be assured that the 'Captain' wants to keep it that way. That is his good right. But, I hate to see people groping in the dark, and hence this post is intended to help you faster separate the facts from the fiction as far as the Kapitein is concerned.
 
I sound like such an ominous fellow...

In Reply to Norman Conquest II

Norman Conquest: You seem to pay a lot of "multicultural respect" to people who would not hesitate to decapitate you, captain oh my captain of the "dead foe society".
 
De Kapitein: Not exactly. If one must respect the true opinions of the international community, as opposed to the cartel of powers that dominate the United Nations, one must therefore respect those of less advanced societies rife with ignorance, resentment and jealousy of the West, as well as other assorted problems. I do not. Were the entire world enamored of the president's orations and of the United States itself, my opinion of the former would remain the same.
 
Norman Conquest: Having been busy all day, I first did not want to respond to your bad faith, but the temptation is just too strong: I needed to provide you with a reply.
 
De Kapitein:"bad faith"? Amusing that blogosphere arguments cut through your daily grind.
 
Norman Conquest: The worst Anti-Americans are to be found in the US, not in Old Europe. Not even in Moslem countries, including France. Several Republicans should be blamed for succumbing to electoral pressure, no doubt.
 
De Kapitein:Perhaps a new Civil War is in order? Or the secession of so-called 'blue states' to Canada? Your so-called 'American anti-Americans' are no less convinced that they are true Americans...
 
Norman Conquest: Defending President Bush's policies is something difficult, more difficult than echoing the NYT's rant. You could acknowledge this because you know it's true. Your approach is much more comfortable than mine. No risks.
 
De Kapitein:This is nonsensical. Arguing that the Sun revolves around the Earth is not a test of one's mettle. The proposition that the Earth revolved around the Sun was no more or less difficult in 14th Century Europe than today. An argument's reception by those unwilling or unable to understand it is besides the point.
 
Norman Conquest: You've been using French phrases throughout your text. Are you upset that I know French, dear? Is it my fault if I sit in between two great cultures?
 
De Kapitein:I couldn't care less which languages you are fluent in, mon ami. I cannot comment on your last claim, as I am not quite certain which "great cultures" you are referring to.
 
Norman Conquest: I love Flanders very, very much.
 
De Kapitein:It's all right I suppose. The Great War immortalized it in the same way that the Thirty Years War did for Magdeburg.

@MarcFrans - Atheling & Atlanticist911

Be asolutely sure that I greatly appreciate your direct & indirect support and God knows it is badly needed in this world of lunacy. I am not quite sure what those people are actually looking for at the Brussels Journal. They are so tightly entangled in their  political correctness.  

@ Atheling

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! I know that and you know that but maybe HE doesn't.

Re: Re: Re: Evidence

Oh come on! You've already lost him! You KNOW that even when you present him with the facts and best him in the debate, he will stubbornly cling to his absurd ideologies.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." - Emerson

Re: Re: evidence

Atheling,please,don't start introducing facts so early in this particular debate.If you do I'm likely to lose Kappert forever.

Re: Evidence

If I recall correctly, didn't OBL confess to the 9/11 attacks?

Objective Standard #2

...Martin Luther King,Anwar Sadat....
 
 
"It would be an enormous step forward to proclaim non-violence as only reasonable objective for mankind".
 
 
"If there are proofs,send a dedicated team to get Mr Bin Laden".
 
 
So,after the events of 9/11, GWB should have proclaimed non-violence as the ONLY reasonable objective for mankind
 
Then
 
obtain irrefutable 'evidence' as to OBL's guilt,before sending in a hit squad to liquidate him. 
 
Ahem! Leaving aside all other practical considerations,I've got news for you,this ain't  Ahimsa the way Gandhi would have understood it,either.  

Speculation

@ Norman Conquest

One can reasonably assume that Kapitein Andre does NOT live in Belgium, nor in the Netherlands.  I base this conclusion on the fact that he has never commented on the Dutch-language part of this website.  A man of his 'character' could not forego that if his Dutch language skills were good enough.

At the same time, he chose a Dutch/Flemish pseudonym, and it is obvious that he is very familiar with the 'details' (not so much the big picture) of both Western-European and North-American history and politics.  It is also clear (at least to me) that he enjoys it when people are speculating wrongly about his background and location.  So, rest assured that he will derive (let's call it) "psychic income" from reading this post.

Perhaps his (recent) ancestry lies in Flanders (or in the Netherlands), but he himself resides in Canada?  That would certainly fit his anti-yankee sentiments and Bush-bashing tendencies, and conform with Canada's cultural transformation of recent decades since the Trudeau days. It could also account for his "au contraire".  But, this is all pure speculation, and be assured that the 'Captain' wants to keep it that way.   That is his good right.  But, I hate to see people groping in the dark, and hence this post is intended to help you faster separate the facts from the fiction as far as the Kapitein is concerned.