British Conservatives Campaign for Prez Hillary (and Vice-Prez Bill)
From the desk of Michael Huntsman on Sun, 2008-01-27 16:41
Some British Conservative MPs are, according to the Sunday Telegraph, travelling across the pond to help in the campaign of Senator Hillary Clinton to secure her nomination as Democrat candidate for President in the autumn. This astonishing intelligence will cause more than just a few traditional Tories to choke on their cornflake, most of whom would think of Mrs. Clinton’s outlook on politics as being anathema to any British Conservative. To most of us she is, as far as her instincts go, indistinguishable from your average tax hard and spend hard, Statist Socialist.
There are two things which will trouble many Conservatives about this.
Firstly there is the problem of what happens if Barack Obama wins the nomination and goes on to be President or one of the Republicans wins in November. Neither is going to look favourably on a Conservative party that has not just expressed vague sympathies for this or that candidate but has actively endorsed an opponent and sent its members off to the USA physically to campaign against them.
That surely comes in Chapter One of the Book How to Win friends And Influence People under the subtitle It Comes With Mother’s Milk. Given that the Tories have a reasonable chance of forming a government circa 2009/2010, it strikes me as elementary to be able to start off on absolutely the right foot with whoever Americans might have chosen to be President from January 2009.
There is also an issue about good judgement: if a simple soul such as myself can see the pitfalls in this, why cannot these professional politicians see the inherent dangers? One might also add that the meddling is not confined to the Clinton campaign: David Cameron, leader of the Conservative party recently made some favourable remarks about John McCain which might be thought equally out of order in the middle of a campaign.
Which brings me to the second point: it is for Americans to choose the next president, not British MPs. It is, surely, not right that foreigners should actively campaign in another country’s politics, though I would make an exception where there is a genuine bond of apolitical friendship between them and also where someone is properly employed on a contractual or salaried basis to give professional advice.
But simply to pitch up and go out on the streets or work the telephones actively to campaign is something which I for one would find offensive and quite unacceptable. I am sure that most British people would be deeply irritated if a load of French, Italian and German Socialist MPs flew over to the UK to campaign in marginal constituencies on behalf of Gordon Brown.
What also puzzles me is: why Clinton, when there are moderate Republicans who would be far closer in outlook to ourselves than her? It is said that modern Conservatives are uncomfortable with the neo-con thing and what is felt to be the unhealthy influence of the religious right, but looking at matters in the round either Senator John McCain (who gave a rather wooden speech to the Conservative Conference last year) or Rudy Giuliani would be a closer match to our own centre-right politics of the moment than would Mrs. Clinton.
On another tack altogether, here is an interesting possibility, suggested to me by the assertion, also in today’s Sunday Telegraph, that former President Bill Clinton will play a more major rôle in his wife’s Presidential campaign (if nominated) than even the Vice-Presidential nominee. I fully admit that the idea is a mischievous one, but so that you too might play the game might I suggest that you pull up a copy of the Twenty-Second Amendment to the US Constitution?
Now this may be in the realms of fantasy, but then who, even five years ago would have bet on the certainty that the Democratic candidate in the running for the nomination would be either a woman or from the Afro-American community? Besides my mischievous streak extends to lobbing grenades into well-ordered discussions just to see what happens.
As everyone knows, former President Bill Clinton is debarred from being elected as President ever again, by virtue of Section 1 of that amendment:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more that two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once.
But, as the quick amongst you will, I am sure, have spotted already, there is nothing in law which would prevent Bill Clinton from standing as and being elected to the office of Vice-President.
He could then, in theory, if his wife were to die or become incapacitated, assume the office of President of the United States, though he could never be elected to that office again, for up to four years before the next election were held. In those circumstances he would also hold in his hands the thus vacated office of Vice-President which would enable him to anoint as his successor someone who would then hold in his or her hands all the advantages of incumbency. Choose well and the Republicans would be out of the loop for sixteen years with a Clinton legacy set as firmly in stone as if the happy pair were already part of the Mount Rushmoor ensemble.
And, if there were concurrently a Democratic majority in both Houses, just think how powerful a President she would be with her fixer of a husband squaring things with Congress on a daily basis.
How about that for a nightmare for Republicans?
I am confident that the politics of this notion place it squarely, as I say, in the realms of fantasy, but then sometimes it is worth thinking the unthinkable. And such exercises are fun as well.
Perhaps I should, in this post, do no more than throw the floor open to discussion so that we can see just how much you Republicans out there dislike the Clintons and whether I can give you nightmares or not… or for that matter to see how much some Democrats dislike them.
Cameron and McCain
Submitted by Monarchist on Mon, 2008-01-28 15:22.
Cameron like McCain? They are worth each other indeed... Giuliani is even worse, the top neo-clown on the field.
12th amendment
Submitted by The Huntsman on Mon, 2008-01-28 10:12.
I had taken the 12th amendment to refer, because of its deliberate use of the word 'ineligible', to the conditions for eligibility set out in Article 2(4) of the Constitution:
4. No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United
States.
The 20th amendment does not at any point refer to eligibility and is merely exclusionary of certain individuals from election who satisfy very specific criteria.
Bill Clinton still satisfies the conditions of eligibility under 2(4).
One for the lawyers, I think, to make the nightmare worse.
@atheling
Submitted by onecent on Mon, 2008-01-28 05:05.
atheling, not so fast. Hillary will get the nomination, face it, she's the best of the Dems' pathetic threesome. All she needs to do is add Obama to her ticket, their differences can be put aside real fast for that, to capture the black votes she can't survive without.
The economy going forward and in November will determine this election. There are far too many Americans that are simply ignorant regarding economics, have public union jobs to defend, and vote for stupid victim issues to assume that the Democrats can't get into the White House. Republicans never get a fair shake in the MSM. Idiots have been elected before - Jimmy Carter, remember.
Hillary is a dangerous person. The fact that The First Grifters still have a presence in our politics is disheartening in itself.
We aren't that far behind Europe with the dumbing down of our public schools and the seldom refuted endless lefty MSM drivel which creates very poorly informed voters.
@atheling
Submitted by BollekeBoy on Mon, 2008-01-28 02:22.
I think you are spot on that foreignors have no business involving themselves in U.S. elections. It goes both ways. I was living in Germany during the elections there in late 2002 or early 2003, I can't remember exactly when. Anyway, I truly wanted the opposition party led by Herr Stoiber to win. Schroeder was busy at the time fanning anti-American sentiment in the run up to the Iraq war in order to improve his popularity in the polls. There was increased numbers of protests outside the gates of our military installations and so forth. I believed Stoiber would be if not pro-American, at least less anti-Amercan. So as an American actually living in Germany at the time, I did have an interest in the results of the election. However, I never so much as commented on the elections when talking to Germans. I figured it was not my place to do so.
On your other point, I wish I shared your confidence regarding Hillary's unelectability. I'm very nervous about the prospect of another Clinton presidency. If she gets elected we may very well end up with socialized health care. I think that may very well be the ppoint of no return for turning freedom loving people into social welfare junkies.
Butt out...
Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-01-27 23:23.
I dislike this trend. These bloody foreigners have NO *&$@$ business involving themselves in OUR elections.
However, I hope Hillary will win the nomination. She'll get stomped on by any Republican nominee. Americans don't vote for sourpusses. That's why Kerry lost.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine
Why would anyone sympathetic
Submitted by glad thereafter on Sun, 2008-01-27 20:02.
Why would anyone sympathetic to the issues which concern the Brussels Journal care about the Conservative party?
quote: "It is said that modern Conservatives are uncomfortable with the neo-con thing and what is felt to be the unhealthy influence of the religious right, ..."
Come now - modern Conservatives are uncomfortable with the Christian right, which I take it you meant to specify, and are even uncomfortable with the Islamic right (finally!), but the 'religious right' which drives the neocon agenda?
Really?
Marxists don't get better with age
Submitted by Zen Master on Sun, 2008-01-27 19:39.
Since this article was posted, Hillary Clinton was badly beaten in the South Carolina early election. Because she is a Marxist posing as a moderate, I hope she does not recover from this unexpected beating. She is a 1960 vintage Marxist who would ruin the American economy. Unlike good wines, Marxists don’t get better with age.
Over on this side of the pond, Euro-conservatives look like
Submitted by pashley on Sun, 2008-01-27 19:14.
Laurel Hardy. I mean, Stan is always saying "what kind of mess did you get us into THIS time?" How on earth a "conservative" could work for pure-60's statists like the Gang of 2 is baffling
Works as a comedy, not as politics.
But aside from the poor Brits, the American conservative movement have its own dead-in-the-water moments by putting "moderates" at the top. Unfortunately one of them is now.
political tourism
Submitted by dave on Sun, 2008-01-27 19:01.
I hope that Hillary gets the chance to run for this, her third term. The risks that repuplicans choose someone else than Romney are still too high. McCain can't beat Hillary or Obama.
12th Amendment
Submitted by Rob the Ugly American on Sun, 2008-01-27 18:34.
'...no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.'