My opinion is that this man, Wlder, is right to bring this sticky issue to the table, and why not, have we become so afraid of these Muslims 'sensitivities' that we now seek to avoid discussion at our own peril? Nonsense, have we forgotten who we are and the continent we have built over the centuries? We are Europeans for Gods sake, THEY came to live here as their own society was deficient in granting them their wishes, whatever they may have been, and now we have the tail wagging the dog? Let this film be released and damn the consequences, as there are laws to protect the rights of citizens, even those of us who are legitimate Europeans.

@Armor

 

Why the Perrin number?

Landen: Obviously, Westerners...should never be forced to take the sensitivities of other cultures into account when making public statements...in their own countries.

Agreed.

Landen: There is no place anymore that Europeans can call their own.

Wrong. Europe belongs to Europeans, pure and simple. And if a vicious and protracted struggle is needed in order to drive the point home, than so be it.

Landen: ...do Muslims belong in the Netherlands? If Muslims do belong in the Netherlands, then the Dutch, including Mr Wilders, should take Muslims sensitivities into account. If not, they needn’t.

 

Obviously then Mr. Wilders is not obliged to consider Islamic sensitivities. On the contrary, it is in the Dutch interest to make Muslims feel as unwelcome as possible.

 

Landen: If Mr Wilders were a wiser man he would have focused on the question whether Muslims belong in the Netherlands rather than on whether or not the Koran is an intolerant book.

 

Such provocations encourage Muslims to express themselves.

 

Landen: Now, by antagonizing Islam, he is putting his own life at stake as well as that of millions of his compatriots, while if he had campaigned as an advocate of deportation of Muslims his liberal compatriots might have called him a “white supremacist” or a “racist,” but they would not have had to fear for their own lives.

 

So Muslims would not be concerned if Mr. Wilders attempted to repatriate them and sever their access to the Dutch welfare state?

"Western troops are doing a police job in Afghanistan and trying to organize the country in a more acceptable way because it is the home of the Taliban,who foment violence against white people worldwide...Besides,Western troops have increased Afghans' liberties".

 

That's not the argument you were peddling elsewhere.(See: Europe's Future: Prescription for Disaster).

 

"Before...forcing democracy down the throats of Middle-Easterners,I think the priority (for the British) should be to reestablish a measure of democracy (in Britain)...Just call back the army from Iraq...".

 

NB Britain has troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

How is this apologia re: Western 'interference' in Afghanistan materially different to what Western troops are doing in Iraq?

 

Name ONE white nation which has been invaded by the Taliban.

 

The Taliban "foment violence" against non-whites too.(Their fellow Afghanis for example).Is that OK with you? Do you care?

 

Not all Western troops in Afghanistan are white.Should they be removed?

 

What are your views on Gurkha involvement in these theatres of war? 

I rather think he made the right choice. By putting the book in question, he reached the whole world, while the true message remains for anyone who thinks twice (which is as you name it the political issue).
Maybe he should address both topics more, agreed. And also I wonder why he didn't make the movie any longer.

Anyway whatever the consequences of this movie, I believe the support for him will keep growing.

By the way, it's fantastic, that even now when no tv station dears to broadcast it, it will be seen anyway thanks to the internet.
Only 10 years ago this wouldn't be possible (if you remember smallband)

I am not asking Wilders to bow to Muslim immigrants. I am only saying that I fear that if his movie leads to violence Dutch public opinion will turn against him (and against other critics of Islam). I am not saying that I agree with this.

Of course Mr Wilders has a right to say about the Koran whatever he wants. I am almost certain that I agree with his opinion about the Koran. I do think, however, that it would have been wiser for a politician not to get involved in theological issues such as the content and the meaning of Koran verses. He should instead have addressed the political issue, i.e. whether or not Muslims belong in his country and, if not, how to restrict their number.

Muslim clerics issue fatwahs against those who mock or even merely depict Muhammad or insult the Koran, but not against those who advocate the deportation of radical Muslims from Europe. If Muslims consider the Wilders movie to be "blasphemous", then every Dutchman in the Muslim world risks being killed and Dutch cities become the target of terror attacks. Advocating the deportation of Muslims from the Netherlands, however, is not blasphemy. It will upset the leftist establisment and the mainstream media (MSM) in Holland, in the rest of Europe and America, but not Osama bin-Laden. The people who are responsible for the multicultural mess we are in today are the leftist establishment and the MSM in the West. Wilders had better made a movie about how they have subverted their own country and how to remedy that situation.

It only just occurred to me that a President Obama might be good for the United States precisely because of his Islamic roots.  If civil war breaks out in France or the Netherlands, an American president sympathetic to Islam might be less inclined to send American troops to assist the Europeans.  As an American, I hope so anyway.

You mean that dutch are cowards who lost their culture like many WESTERN europeans and that western europe is an empty place which is more and more filled by the most proselyte ,prolific and agressive people....I agree and find those "liberal" europeans despicable.

But we have to go furthermore to make a good diagnosis on the causes of that phenomenon...

Why did WESTERN europe lose its values?I have some ideas on the mater.

One can notice that the picture is not the same in EASTERN europe and USA where Obama is not elected and i think he will not be because of hese multiple links with islam

In reply to Th.Landen

"it can be argued that Afghanistan is a Muslim country where the Dutch do not belong. "

Western troops are doing a police job in Afghanistan and trying to organize the country in a more acceptable way because it is the home of the Taliban, who are fomenting violence against white people worldwide. But there is no intention to stay in Afghanistan and replace the local population. Besides, Western troops have increased Afghans' liberties.

"do Muslims belong in the Netherlands?"

of course they don't.

"by antagonizing Islam, he is putting his own life at stake as well as that of millions of his compatriots"

I don't think millions will die as a result of Wilders' movie. In fact, it will be very useful to have a little violence now from the muslim nuts, because it will help stop the policy of replacing the Dutch with Arabs, and it will avoid much more violence against Whites in the close future. By denouncing Wilders, you make yourself an accomplice of the violence that will be directed against your children in the near future.

"Obviously, Westerners – and especially elected officials such as Geert Wilders – should never be forced to take the sensitivities of other cultures into account when making public statements (be it in a film or otherwise) in their own countries. The fact that Wilders is under considerable pressure to do just that shows that the Netherlands is no longer his home country and that it has already been penetrated and colonized by another culture. There is no place anymore that Europeans can call their own. "

You are the one asking Wilders to bow to the muslim immigrants! Obviously, the whites are becoming foreigners in their own countries. This is especially visible in the streets, where we can feel the physical intimidation. Europeans tend to hide in their appartments and regroup in safe places, while third-worlders tend to dominate street life, even when they are still a minority. We can also feel the intellectual influence of immigrants: TV programs get coarser and the school curriculum is dumbed down. But, for now, what kills public intellectual life in the West is the intolerant domination of the left rather than the muslim invasion. Even when it comes to islam and immigration, it is European leftists who prevent us from denouncing it.