Ramadan Rioting in Europe's No-Go Areas

This is from Sweden:

“‘If we park our car it will be damaged – so we have to go very often in two vehicles, one just to protect the other vehicle,’ said Rolf Landgren, a Malmo police officer. Fear of violence has changed the way police, firemen and emergency workers do their jobs. There are some neighborhoods Swedish ambulance drivers will not go to without a police escort. Angry crowds have threatened them, telling them which patient to take and which ones to leave behind.”

This is from France:

 “Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life. Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched.”

 

This is from Brussels:

 “The police has been told [by the Mayor] that it is ‘not expedient’ to patrol [in the Brussels suburb of Molenbeek] and officers are not allowed to drink coffee or eat a sandwich in the street during ramadan.”

 

This is from Denmark (and it is hot news relating to the Muhammad cartoons):

“For several nights in a row Rosenhøj Mall has been the scene of the worst riots in Århus for years. ‘This area belongs to us’, the youths proclaimed. [...] ‘The police have to stay away. This is our area. We decide what goes on down here’. [...] Falck, a Danish private emergency service, sent a group of fire engines under police escort to the Kjærslund nursery on Søndervangs Allé, right across the street from Rosenhøj Mall. A window had been shattered at the back of the house, and the fire had been blazing, apparently caused by gasoline poured onto the floor and lit. Falck stopped on Viby Square, a couple of kilometers from the site of the arson attack, waiting for the police to turn up so they could be escorted to the nursery.”

 

The Nightmare of Permanent Conflict

If you want to know what is the matter with those that are described by the mainstream media as rioting “youths,” read Theodore Dalrymple’s poignant analysis in the latest issue of City Journal. We are just witnessing the beginning of Europe’s problems: “The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.”

Our mainstream media, in attempts to preserve the Left’s chimera of “universal cultural compatibility,” hardly write about all this. Nevertheless, for some years now West European city folk and police officers have been familiar with the reality that certain areas of major European cities are no-go areas, especially at night and certainly if you are white or wearing a uniform. Three years ago, a French friend who had his car stolen learned that the thieves had parked the car in a particular suburb. When he went to the police he was told that the police did not operate in that neighbourhood and consequently would not be able to retrieve his car. This is Western Europe in the early 21st century.

Nicolas Sarkozy became France’s most popular politician by promising to restore law and order in the whole of France, including in the areas abandoned by previous governments. Since Sarkozy became Interior Minister he has insisted on more police presence in Muslim neighbourhoods. This triggered last week’s riots in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois, when policemen went in to investigate a robbery and two teenagers stupidly got themselves electrocuted while hiding from the police in an electricity sub station. Many French politicians now probably regret that the police had the audacity to investigate a robbery in Clichy. The result of the incident so far has been six consecutive nights of rioting that is now engulfing the entire Paris suburban area and might soon affect other parts of the country. Last night at least 69 vehicles were torched in nine suburbs across the Paris region. Officials say that small, mobile gangs are harassing police, sometimes even shooting at them. The gangs are setting vehicles, police stations and schools on fire throughout the region.

Though the world is taking no notice, the same is currently happening in certain parts of Denmark.

Bring in the Army

Sarkozy has referred to those whom the media call “troublesome youths” as scum and rabble. “I speak with real words,” the minister says. “When you fire real bullets at police, you’re not a ‘youth,’ you’re a thug.” Unfortunately, it looks as if Clichy-sous-Bois might become Nicolas Sarkozy’s Waterloo because he seems to be losing the support of his colleagues in the government. Moreover, Sarkozy does not even seem to have the means necessary to fight the “youths.”

The riots in France have been going on for a week now. During the second night of street fighting in Clichy, police officers already warned that they are not up to the task Sarkozy has set them. “There’s a civil war underway,” one officer declared. “We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or theoretical training for street fighting.” If there is, indeed, a war going on, Sarkozy cannot win it with troops that are mere policemen and fire fighters. As Irwin Stelzer pointed out last July when discussing the British reaction to the London bombings: In a war, use the army, rather than police. The latter, however, is unlikely to happen. If the politicians bring in the army they are  acknowledging what the policemen, the fire fighters and the ambulance drivers know but what the political and media establishment wants to hide from the people: that there is civil war brewing and that Europe is in for a long period of armed conflict. This is the last thing appeasing politicians want to do and so they have begun to criticise Sarkozy.

The appeasers are found not only in the opposition parties but also within Sarkozy’s own party, where Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, who envies him his popularity, is eager to bring his rival down. Apart from political intra-party rivalry, however, there are two reasons why most politicians seem to be of the appeasing kind.

The first one is that the Muslim population in Western Europe has become so large that politicians fear what it might be capable of. Commenting on the situation in Britain, Theodore Dalrymple wrote in City Journal: “Surveys suggest that between 6 and 13 percent of British Muslims – that is, between 98,000 and 208,000 people – are sympathetic toward Islamic terrorists and their efforts. Theoretical sympathy expressed in a survey is not the same thing as active support or a wish to emulate the ‘martyrs’ in person, of course. But it is nevertheless a sufficient proportion and absolute number of sympathizers to make suspicion and hostility toward Muslims by the rest of society not entirely irrational, though such suspicion and hostility could easily increase support for extremism. This is the tightrope that the British state and population will now have to walk for the foreseeable future.” It applies to all West European nations. Where, however, is the boundary between carefully walking the tightrope and falling victim to the Stockholm syndrome? The latter would mean that Western politicians act as hostages of the Muslim extremists.

A second reason why some politicians try to appease the Muslims is that these are now a substantial segment of the voting population. Demographics are deciding the fate of Europe’s democracy. Time is running out. If Sarkozy cannot win the battle today, it is unlikely that he or anyone else will be able to do so tomorrow. If Clichy turns out to be Sarkozy’s Waterloo, it will be a catastrophe not just for France.

Every week-end there are

Every week-end there are hundreds of riots in every European country for the last 20 years. Usually it is linked to a soccer game. It is called hooliganism and the young men involved are white natives.

Interesting to note that they also come from the same suburbs as the muslim youths (high unemployement, drugs, alcohol, lack of green, ...)

1968

Is this anymore likely to lead to the downfall of civilization that did 1968? Or Britain's race riots in the 1980s?

Welcome to the Jungle!!!

Police are not equipped for this type of situations.
Insufficient numbers, too slow; and not really willing to intervene.
I doubt the Mayor wants a hard intervention; might be losing some votes if those 'poor oppressed rioters' get a serious a**kicking.

Bring in the Army; expand the numbers; declare martial law on that patch of territory, capture them and make them pay with jail & fines. Its time to set an example. There is the risk of an expanding "insurgency" or rather a later-better organised insurgency.
Claims of socio-economic discrimination and other elements to justify these actions are just insane. Its not a reason to start rioting; does this really have to do anything with those 'killed' youngsters ? I doubt it; they're just a handy excuse, just as is the socio-economic & oppression excuse.

Insanity on stilts

Claims of socio-economic discrimination and other elements to justify these actions are just insane.

So there's no correlation between high levels of unemployment and social disorder? And it's impossible to imagine a causal relationship between one and the other?

Call me insane, but I think there is. At the very least, high unemployment provides a nice target audience for the agitators and trouble-makers. Another good lesson we could have learnt from pre-war Germany and the rise of Fascism.

And "explaining" is not "justifying".

Bob Doney

Nothing to see here move along

Bob Doney:

First off, a correlation between two statistical phenomena does not always lead to an easy establishment of causal chains.

Leaving aside cases where correlations are co-incidental, and leave aside also those cases where co-relations are trivial (such as very tall people weigh more than short people) and where they are due to an additional outside cause, (again the correlation of height and weight is not a matter of one causing the other are both simply symptoms of the underlying genetic and envionmental causes that go into determining our heigh and weight. We are still left with corelations where we suspect the incidence of one phenomena is causally related to another - such as social breakdown and unemployment. But this causality can flow either way or both ways - a community may experience high unemployment largely because it is so broken that it does not inculcate the values and habits that are required for employment. This then interplays with the conditions of high unemployment to perpetuate the problem. In reality the indexes of umenployment and social health interplay with each other - and tend to reinforce each other. Low unemployment corelates with stable socail order because each reinforces the other and the converse is also true.

Except in cases of extreme and general economic dislocation believing that handing out jobs will cure social pathology is as foolish as beleiving that preaching attitude change will magically change the unemployment numbers.

Each argument is advanced by those who exhort the acceptance of responbility by others but make no such undertaking themselves.

Apropos Mongolia and Attilla the Hun

Bob:
Aside from the fact that Atilla came from the Steppes (the Hungarian Plain) and not Germany the suggestion that the rampages of the Hun or the Mongols had anything to do with unemployment are absurd (if that is what you are suggesting).

Whilst the factors that led to the various barabarian eruptions through history are complex and poorly understood , unemployment in the modern sense was not a factor for the simple reason that the phenomena is a product of the industrial revolution. The closest pre-industrial parrallel with modern unemployment was the Roman dole, and the only societies prior to the industrial revolution that supported large numbers of idle poor with similar schemes were the Romans from Augustine to Aurelius, the Southern Sung in China, and the Indian Asokan kingdom, the latter Ptolemies in Egypt, and possibly the Ummayad caliphate prior to the mongol sack of Baghdad.

I also find it ironic that the people who will simple mindedly assume that the co-relation between say unemployment and social disorder provides a simple one way causal chain don't apply thsi reasoning more generally - such as assuming that the corelation between Muslim faith + the memes of radical leftist politics and Terrorism might not also be grounds for investigating a causal chain that appears much stronger?

The dole

the only societies prior to the industrial revolution that supported large numbers of idle poor with similar schemes were the Romans from Augustine to Aurelius, the Southern Sung in China, and the Indian Asokan kingdom, the latter Ptolemies in Egypt, and possibly the Ummayad caliphate prior to the mongol sack of Baghdad.

Call me simple-minded, but I'm fascinated to know how you know this, considering that most societies have left no written records.

Perhaps one reason we don't understand much about what led to Genghis Khan's breakout is that handwriting tends to get a bit shaky when you're galloping full tilt across the steppes, Hungarian or otherwise.

Bob Doney

EXTENSIVE WRITTEN RECORD

Bob my man. While I'm not familiar with all of the societies described by our fellow reader I can tell you that few civilizations have left a more extensive written record than the Roman Empire or the Sung part of Imperial China.

As to the Egyptians, even under the Ptolemies, they didn't take a leak without leaving a stella behind. Believe me, there's more than enough proof.

I'm sorry, I don't know at which point we deviated from the issue at hand and into a discussion of history. But I think the point other readers and I are trying to make is that your implied correlation between unemployment and hooliganism is a shaky one at best.

As to our friends the Mongols... While Genghis himself was illiterate his story is very widely known, not only because he insisted in the education of his childred but also because of the Chinese administrators (and later Mohammedan scribes) the Horde carried with it.

Proof

Believe me, there's more than enough proof.

Of what? One minute you're telling me that there is extensive written evidence of how the unemployed were treated in (say) the Roman Empire, and the next I'm being told that my "implied correlation" between unemployment and hooliganism is "shaky at best".

I seem to remember our old friend "Bread and Circuses" Juvenal had quite a bit to say about the negative effects of the "dole" on the moral fibre of Rome's citizens and the consequent street disorder. But there again, Islam and statistics hadn't been invented then.

Bob Doney

Proof

Bob you are being disingenious, which is not wise when you previous comments are available by simply scrolling up.

The proof in question is that there is in fact a great deal of evidence for how ancient welfare systems such as the Roman Dole worked, and then as now there were critics who pointed out it's deleterious effects.

It does raise the intersting observation that in the Ancient world the corelation between unemployment and welfare is near perfect - we still cannot say with certainty however which way the causality flowed. Someone on the right might note that in the Provinces where there was no corn or salt dole there was also no idle mob, and yet there was no problem with food (in fact it was the provinces who suppplied the surplus for Rome). The underlying cause of both the dole and unemployment might then be seen as the opportunistic manouvering of powerful Roman politicians for whom the the use of the patronage of the dole and circuses allowed them to use the Roman mob as polotical shck troops (and who could fail to notice that such an observation might be instructive today).

Some one on the left might be more likely to blame the Mobs existence on the rise of the Latifundia - the giant estates worked by slaves that disenfranchised the small Latin Yeoman farmer - and there is evidence that this analysis also has a merit.

In the end though this won't be an either or case any more than anything else is - with social unrest like these riots it is the magnification of greivance rather than it's existence that is the problem - greivances are constant, riots are not.

Magnifying glass

In the end though this won't be an either or case any more than anything else is - with social unrest like these riots it is the magnification of greivance rather than it's existence that is the problem - greivances are constant, riots are not.

Ah, the magnification of grievance. Well, I suppose you can't magnify what isn't there. In the end our policy makers have to decide whether repressive policing is sufficient to deal with the riot problem, or whether it would be helpful to address social grievances at the same time. Even Mr Sarkozy, after a shaky start, seems to be moving towards the latter now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4407688.stm

The point I would like to get across is that many of these urban riots - and I am talking here of black, brown and white riots over the years - are at the very least exacerbated by social injustice, and in particular by relative economic deprivation. I am particularly keen that we should not demonise Muslim youth as exemplifying some sort of special evil that has not been seen before. If that is being simple-minded, disingenuous and all the rest, so be it.

Bob Doney

Social Injustice is in the eye of the beholder ...

Unfortunately for France, Belgium, Denmark, or Holland, et al. ...

Social Injustice is in the eye of the beholder.

Islam promises its followers that they are perfect just as they are, by following Islam, and all things are available to them as God's gifts for being true believers.

Therefore, any suggestion that a Muslim work hard for their keep from an Infidel employer is to them, a social injustice.

Any suggestion that a Muslim obey the law in an Infidel country, is to them, a social injustice.

Historically speaking, Muslim countries with large dhimini population had very specific Sumptuary Laws to prevent the dhiminis from having larger houses than Muslims; having larger Churches (or more of them) than Mosques; even owning or riding horses/donkeys/camels were privileges restricted to Muslims.

Anything a dhimini owned could be demanded by a Muslim in need; and death was appropriate response to the insult a Muslim endured if refused. Even if other Muslims found the death to be excessive, BY LAW the worth of a dhimini male is 1/2 the blood price of a Muslim. And we're supposed to be upset by "social injustices" felt by persons who don't want to work, who don't want to integrate, and who burn and stone their own neighbors for "not being Islamic enough"?

Based on what we know from Islamic history, the future that France has to look forward to is every home, every villa, every business, every car, every farm, every vinyard in the hands of Muslims and then, if they are satisfied, anything left over could be redistributed to its humiliated-by-law Christian & Jewish citizens.

And that is the fellow People of the Book... If I were a French Hindu, I'd be on a plane right now, as Muslim law towards polytheists - death - is very clear. See India, train set on fire, for further detail. {Actually, I would modify that to Christian People of the Book. The North African Islamic countries purged themselves of Jewish communities, some over 2500 years old, back in the 1940s/50s. Since most of the Muslims in France are North African, I expect the same thing to happen here.}

Bob - I have no idea why you think other people might look at this as 'some sort of special evil that has not been seen before'. We have seen it before. We see it now in over 22 Islamic countires with dhimini populations - Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, East Timor, et cetera. It is just now, we are seeing it closer to home, that's all.

Special and general evils

Bob - I have no idea why you think other people might look at this as 'some sort of special evil that has not been seen before'. We have seen it before. We see it now in over 22 Islamic countires with dhimini populations - Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, East Timor, et cetera. It is just now, we are seeing it closer to home, that's all.

In the week of Rosa Parks's death, some people might think there were similar attitudes much closer to home in very recent memory. And wasn't it nice white folks that thought it was an unarguably whizzy idea to load a few million inferiors into gas ovens?

Bob Doney

Rosa Parks was burned on a bus?!?

Bob -

I don't know exactly what they teach in British history classes as I have never attended a British school.

Please let me assure you that Rosa Parks did not have 3rd degree burns on 20% of her body when she was removed from an Alabama bus for not giving up her seat to a white man. Neither the bus driver, nor the white passangers, nor the black passengers, nor the policemen who escorted her of the bus doused her with petrol and set her alight.

I am sorry to hear that you have been taught otherwise.

Second class citizens

I am sorry to hear that you have been taught otherwise.

In the British schools I attended they were too polite to teach us about the treatment black Americans got at the hands of (some) white ones. That was my point, as I suspect you know perfectly well, Adriane. By the way, I started "big" school the same month that education in Little Rock was desegregated, with the help of the paratroopers. Hard to believe now, isn't it, that once there were second class citizens in the USA.

Bob Doney

Actually, I do ...

I do get your point. I disagree with degree of moral equivalence you appear to be proposing.

Let me state this in non France, non-rioting terms and see if you agree...

Have you ever cleaned out your refrigerator? Have you ever discovered something in the fridge as you were cleaning it out that was really nasty?

Well, if yes, then obviously if you go to a restaurant & they serve you rotten food, then you are in no position to complain as you yourself, have had bad food in your fridge.

Right?

I didn't think so. You are paying for good/healthy food & the restaurant has broken its social/legal contract with you in serving rotten food.

Myself, educated in America, had no such censorship to soften my learning of history. We saw pictures of lynched blacks in history class. We read the stories of the survivors; how it impacted the families, decimated the families, and we were taught 'never again' ... as lofty an ideal as that seems.

What is the difference between you blowing off the murder and rampage of French Muslims against their white and (culturally) Catholic neighbors (or in many cases, non-white, but insufficiently Islamic neighbors) and some 1950s historical persona blowing off the murder and rampage by white Americans against black Americans?

Diddly squat.

Give you another hint. The sense of superiority held by Muslims toward non-Muslims as seen in today's rioting can be mirrored in the racial sense of superiority that rioting whites held against their black neighbors.

We (America) do not allow as a cultural excuse that any and all whites are superior to black Americans. Islam, not only specifically holds as both a religious and as a cultural excuse that Muslims are better than any and all others but also specifically excuses the rioting currently in progress as necessary for the dhimini population to be reminded of their mandated (by Islam) humiliation.

I say rape is wrong.
I say murder is wrong.
I say rioting is wrong.

And I also say people who rape, murder, and riot should be stopped.

I say people who rape, murder, and riot against people they think are 2nd class citizens should be stopped.

I say people who rape, murder, and riot against people they think think of them as 2nd class citizens should be stopped.

You, apparently, say rape is wrong, murder, and rioting is wrong but since I have had rotten food in my fridge, I would be wrong to say that restaurants that serve rotten food should be stopped.

Please remind me to pick the restaurant the next time we go out.

Rotten stuff

Have you ever cleaned out your refrigerator? Have you ever discovered something in the fridge as you were cleaning it out that was really nasty?

Oh, yes indeed! What a familiar scenario. What I do in those circumstances is cautiously toss the offending article (it's usually cucumbers) into the bin. I then conduct a sort of inquiry in a post mortem kind of way. How could this have happened? How can I avoid it happening again? That kind of thing.

My neighbour, Tim, however has a very different approach. Only last week he had three mildewed tomatoes in his fridge. He ran out into the road hollerin' and screamin'. "The tomatoes are rotten. They'll rot everything else. Soon rottenness will take over my house, this street, the town, Western civilisation."

"Tim!" I called to him gently, "Take it easy, old friend. These things happen. Throw away the rotten fruit, and work out calmly and rationally how to avoid it happening again. It worked out OK last month with the marrows. Give it a try, mate, and give us a break."

If we sophisticated whiteys really believe we are superior with superior ethics and social norms, let's prove it by applying reason to problems.

Curry or Italian will be fine, Adriane.

Bob Doney

Correlations

First off, a correlation between two statistical phenomena does not always lead to an easy establishment of causal chains.

But it's sometimes a clue!! Best not to ignore it completely.

We are still left with corelations where we suspect the incidence of one phenomena is causally related to another - such as social breakdown and unemployment. But this causality can flow either way or both ways - a community may experience high unemployment largely because it is so broken that it does not inculcate the values and habits that are required for employment. This then interplays with the conditions of high unemployment to perpetuate the problem. In reality the indexes of umenployment and social health interplay with each other - and tend to reinforce each other. Low unemployment corelates with stable socail order because each reinforces the other and the converse is also true.

Does this help us in cases where people don't get jobs because they are the wrong colour? Or the wrong religion?

Except in cases of extreme and general economic dislocation believing that handing out jobs will cure social pathology is as foolish as beleiving that preaching attitude change will magically change the unemployment numbers.

Maybe the sociopaths will have fewer pairs of willing hands to assist them if young men have jobs to go to. That's my point. I find your phrase "preaching attitude change" rather strange. What's wrong with suggesting that people change their attitudes?

Each argument is advanced by those who exhort the acceptance of responbility by others but make no such undertaking themselves.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

Bob Doney

TIRED OLD CLICHE

Please. Let's not try to excuse the actions of these thugs and hooligans on the grounds of *they are unemployed* or *they feels alianated*.

I lived in Spain in the 80s when, under brilliant Socialist leadership, the country attained unheard of levels of unemployment and yet I can't recalls riots on the streets.

There's unemployment in the USA, the UK, Germany, Russia, China and the Belgian Congo. Unemployment is a sad reality. Let's not throw the unemployed in the same pot with these roustabouts.

Riots are the brainchild of thugs and hooligans just wanting to pillage and burn. They are the progeny of Atilla the Hun or Genghis Khan. Destruction for the sake of it, even if it means destroying their own neighborhoods.

Excuses

Let's not try to excuse the actions of these thugs and hooligans on the grounds of *they are unemployed* or *they feels alianated*.

OK. You win. The reason why disaffected young men throw rocks and firebombs is because they are the progeny of Atilla the Hun or Genghis Khan. By the way, do we know what the unemployment rates were in Olde Germania and Mongolia?

Bob Doney

Ah, the intifada started in France.

Ah, the intifada started in France. Well, well, well now what went wrong in the socialist paradise, otherwise known as France?

And how long before the French surrender?

That French police officer

That French police officer is just a union hack. If the CRS can't handle it then it is their heads that are deficient, certainly not their equipment and I doubt their training.

The regrettable thing is that it won't take long for people to start deploring the police brutality: Azouz Begag (French minister for integration or sth like that) has already half-tried.

Thanks for posting this

Thanks for putting this on your blog; we're not getting anything on the riots from the MSM here in the US- I've seen one (and only one) mention of the Paris riots from FOXNews, and that was a brief 10-second blurb. Once again, the blogosphere has proven to be far more relevant and informative than the MSM.

Get a grip

Come on, chaps, get a grip! A few hundred young thugs have gone on a bit of a rampage. It happens from time to time. Sometimes it's whites, sometimes it's blacks, sometimes it's Asians. It's not civil war. It's nearly always related to unemployment and social deprivation. All this demographic, "time is running out" stuff is just the sort of racist, "river of blood" crap our old friend Enoch Powell spouted back in the Sixties.

As for Mr Stelzer apparently telling us to use the army not the police, it is highly likely that it was using the army in Northern Ireland that exacerbated the situation there. What was required there then was an impartial, efficient police force. And that's more than likely what's required now in the "no-go" areas of Europe's cities.

As for the pathetic policeman who said his colleagues haven't got the training or equipment for "street fighting", it's about time they got off their arses and acquired them. It's not just issuing parking tickets, you know.

Bob Doney

tipping point

A few hundreds can change the world. Just read "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell. I don't know if he meant it to be so frightening, but just a few people can set a trend for good or ill without our understanding.
you can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire.

shalom

Candles and fires

you can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire.

Which is all the more reason to react calmly and sensibly when trouble breaks out. Do all the usual, boring things which have proved to work before. And avoid the worst type of Chicken Little, "the sky's falling in", "we're all doomed" over-reaction. Believe it or not, most Muslims just want an ordinary life, bring up their kids and all that kind of stuff.

When butterflies flap their wings in the Amazonian jungle, the usual outcome is that they move to another flower.

Have a nice day, and enjoy the unseasonably warm weather (at least here in the UK). I know it probably portends the end of the world in floods and famine, but it's nice while it lasts.

Bob Doney

A FEW THUGS?!

Bob may be correct in his assesment of the situation. *A few hundred thugs rioting*... *nothing we haven't seen before*...

I'm thinking that the peaceful and ordinary citizens trapped in this situation and those who have had their property stolen or destroyed see it differently.

What's more. I agree with a fellow reader below. The intifadah has come to Paris. Well... maybe the *intifadah lite*. After all these thugs are only setting cars on fire, not blowing up buses full of people.

I fear this is only another step, another chapter, in the inexorable march toward Islamic hegemony in Europe. Will the riots result in harsher measures againt extremism or will they result in more appeasement, more concesion?

Place your bets.

MagrebDon't be mistaken,

Magreb
Don't be mistaken, white European indigenous folks. Islam is here to conquer Europe. I heard some of them say so myself. Whites are fast becoming the Amerindians of Europe. Give it a generation or two and Europe will be a blancoïd part of the Islamic Magreb. Before the politically correct will have found this out, it will be to late. And by the way: do you know any examples of Islam retreating peacefully? So what's the conclusion of this all?