At Last. America Grants Asylum to Germans
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Fri, 2010-01-29 09:25
An American judge on Tuesday granted
asylum to a German couple who wanted to homeschool their children, bringing
international attention to the debate in Germany over the rights of parents to
freely educate their children.
The decision came from immigration judge Lawrence O. Burman in Memphis, Tennessee. Judge Burman said the German government violated Uwe and Hannelore Romeike's "basic human rights."
See also:
Germany: Government Persecution Against the “Socially Maladjusted” 28 August 2009
In Germany It Is Better to Be a Muslim than a Baptist, 14 August 2009
Hasn’t Germany Learned Anything From Its History? 24
February 2008
Melissa Heads for Home, 23 April 2007
The Germans Feel Insulted, 1 March 2007
2007 German Horror Tale, 28 February 2007
Mental Disorder, 28 February 2007
European Human Rights Court Upholds Nazi Ban on Homeschooling, 28 September 2006
Homeschool Persecution in Germany, 25 September 2006
Germany Imprisons Mum. Dad and Kids Flee to Austria, 12 September 2006
Hitler’s Ghost Haunts German Parents, 1 August 2005
Kappert Why should the
Submitted by Reconciler on Sat, 2010-01-30 07:36.
Kappert
Why should the Romeike children learn about the Holocaust in the tiny age of 12? Their parents decide what they will learn, different to the German school system which provides up-to-date knowledge and methods to critically question that knowledge.
From your remarks I can't really figure out if you think that the parents or the state want to impress holocaust awareness on the tiny youngster. Which is it?
atheling
This leftover Third Reich garbage about state-controlled education superceding that of the parents' right to educate their children as they see fit needs to go
Indeed, so has a whole bunch of other 3rd Reich garbage in our law texts. Then again, people always argue secretly, whether some aspects of Nazi-Doctrine can be considered good/not-evil. Mind that you should never utter such a question in the german public for fear of becoming shunned socially. The lawmakers of the late 40s however never asked the "moral" question. They just implemented Nazi laws with the blessing of allied occupying forces.
heplev
you hit the mark with your refutation. Never mind that there is a lot of homeschooling in Germany. It is just not conducted by the ethnic majority, rather by all kinds of minorities, whose customs and heritage come before all justice and law. Never mind again, that this sort of homeschooling is at best questionable in quality and in it's helpfulness towards peaceful integration. Keyword here is: islamic indoctrination.
Kapitän Andre: It is disingenuous to claim that the illegality of homeschooling in Germany is a remnant of National Socialism, as it traces its roots to Prussian compulsory state education, and was also illegal during the Weimar era.
Fair enough. In Germany today there are however a wide range of school types to choose from (if affordable). The shortcoming is still the lack of a balanced mix ideology-wise. There are many alternative schooling systems which unfortunately are to be found left of Germany's leftist-mainstream schooling system.
Last I heard there is an increasing onslaught against traditional christian colleges both from in- and outside. Secular politicians strife to remove the last crucifixes from bavarian schools to name one example. But also Christian evangelical "postmodernism" (id est egalitarianism) saws at the branch the christian community is sitting on.
RE: Asylum
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Fri, 2010-01-29 21:23.
It is disingenuous to claim that the illegality of homeschooling in Germany is a remnant of National Socialism, as it traces its roots to Prussian compulsory state education, and was also illegal during the Weimar era. Personally, I support the legality of homeschooling and other such alternatives within the context of compulsory education, as homeschooled children are better educated and socialized than their private and public-educated peers. There is no longer a significant need to provide mass literacy and basic education in the West, and so alternatives should be permitted and even encouraged.
I sincerely hope that this granting of asylum causes the German government to reflect on its obsolete education laws, rather than dismiss this event as purely an instance of American Evangelical or fundamentalist Christians supporting German ones.
prejudice anyone?
Submitted by heplev on Fri, 2010-01-29 19:59.
1) @Frank Lee: Those people who want to homeschool their children are humble. But they steadfastly reject the state imposing opinion and worldview on them. That's all.
2) German school system with up-to-date knowledge and methods of critically questioning that knowledge? I've got a bridge for you.... "critical thinking" in German school system means parroting what left leaning mainstream good-doers tell you.
3) Debate in Germany on home schooling? What debate? Wish there was one. Those debating home schooling are a tiny minority, mainly ingored by the public. The only times the subject comes up is in case some people get punished by the state. And then the media just parrot that the state know best and parents don't. How nice!
@heplev
Submitted by atheling on Fri, 2010-01-29 20:38.
I hope you're right, but I wouldn't call Frank Lee prejudiced since we have daily proof of European self-destruction, arrogance and condescension.
Look at the east coast: New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts - all areas which carry the most European immigrants in the nation - and among the most liberal, socialistic states of the union.
Great
Submitted by Frank Lee on Fri, 2010-01-29 19:23.
Now we in America will be stuck receiving even more victims of European self-destruction, most of whom will bring with them the same arrogant, condescending attitudes we saw before (about how inferior is the American culture that is saving their ass).
Good.
Submitted by atheling on Fri, 2010-01-29 18:15.
This leftover Third Reich garbage about state-controlled education superceding that of the parents' right to educate their children as they see fit needs to go. Instead of "father knows best", it's "state knows best", and the German people should know better than that.
education
Submitted by kappert on Fri, 2010-01-29 12:59.
Why should the Romeike children learn about the Holocaust in the tiny age of 12? Their parents decide what they will learn, different to the German school system which provides up-to-date knowledge and methods to critically question that knowledge. 'Home Schooling' is nothing less but the unique decision of the parents with what kind of knowledge their children will be confronted with. Doubtfully their children have the right to learn and to think.