Criticism of Election Manipulation Angers Dutch Turks

The Turkish authorities deny any wrongdoing in the Koser Kaya case. Last Thursday Dutch television revealed that Ankara influenced the 22 November general elections in the Netherlands. Fatma Koser Kaya, a Dutch woman of Turkish origin, was elected against all odds as a member of the Dutch Parliament after an email called upon Dutch voters of Turkish origin to vote for the woman because “the Turkish community is threatened by assimilation” and “no-one can represent Turks better than Turks.” The email was sent from the Turkish ministry of Religious Affairs to several thousand Dutch voters of Turkish origin.

The email was sent by Ali Alaybeyoglu, the advisor of Mehmet Aydin, the Turkish minister of Religious Affairs and the Affairs of Turkish Emigrants. Both Alaybeyoglu and his boss deny sending the e-mail. According to Alaybeyoglu other people have access to his e-mail, while the minister said he strongly disapproves of governments interfering in the internal political affairs of other nations.

This weekend Gökhan Genc, the chairman of the Turks Forum Nederland, also said that the e-mail had not been written by Alaybeyoglu. Genc said it was sent to Alaybeyoglu by someone in the Netherlands. The Turkish Forum is an organisation which is present in many countries and works closely with the Turkish government. According to Genc, Alaybeyoglu forwarded the e-mail to the chairman of the U.S. Turkish Forum “for his judgement.” The latter apparently added the e-mail to a mailing list of 200,000 addresses. According to Genc the majority of these addresses did not belong to Turks living in the Netherlands.

Nuri Karabulut, the chairman of the Turkish Workers Organisation (DIDF) in the Netherlands, says, however, that he received the e-mail several times. Karabulut is the man who approached Dutch television with the story. “It is a fact that the Turkish authorities try to influence immigrants abroad,” he says, adding that the campaign in favour of Koser Kaya is proof of this.

The Turkish Forum in the Netherlands campaigned on behalf of Koser Kaya. Prior to the elections it distributed posters and leaflets among Dutch voters of Turkish origin with the message “Let us bring this valuable lady into the House of Representatives. Let us teach them a lesson. [...] Give those who restrict us with regard to our democratic rights a lesson by way of the ballot box.”

Meanwhile nationalist Turks in the Netherlands react angrily to the allegations that Ankara has anything to do with the way they voted. On a Dutch Turkish website some complain that Ankara is being criticised while “Israel permanently tries to influence the way Jews vote.” Others say that the Dutch must learn what democracy is and accept the democratic outcome of the elections, instead of treating Turkish voters as second-rate citizens: “Why do you never hear anyone criticizing the Chinese and their religion, why don’t they have to assimilate? […] Anyway, I am happy that there are no longer one or two Turks in the Dutch Parliament, but four. I hope that in ten or twenty years from now this number will be much greater, and that Parliament will come to resemble Amsterdam and Rotterdam.” Amsterdam and Rotterdam are cities with large immigrant populations. These determined the outcome of the last local elections by voting overwhelmingly for candidates of their own ethnic group.

@crawdad:

Europe currently faces 3 demographic challenges:

  1. Below-replacement fertility rates of Europeans
  2. Large-scale immigration of non-Europeans
  3. High fertility rates of non-Europeans residing in Europe

This triumvirate is responsible for current and looming socio-political and economic problems.

  1. At present, the only solution seems to be:
  2. Using baby bonuses to boost indigenous fertility rates to replacement and/or above replacement level
  3. Closing the borders to foreign immigrants
  4. Deporting/repatriating any and all foreign applicants for citizenship or refugee status and criminals
  5. Assimilating those foreigners and their descendants already in Europe, and quashing multicultural policies

However, these policies would result in violent resistance from both non-European minorities in Europe, and their countrymen abroad. Thus, such polices would have to be acted upon in a state of emergency or martial law, with the full support of all national security services, with the proviso to use force if necessary. Even if every measure is taken to ensure that such a process is carried out as amicably as possible, I can't imagine the operation succeeding without considerable civil disturbance mirroring Berlin in 1953, Budapest in 1956, Poland during 1982-83, and Romania in 1989.

Grand Vision

Reasonable people engage in dialogue which express their frustrations in a straightforward manner. We are concerned about powers within our own countries and cultures which have foisted our national survivals into jeapordy. We are concerned that a culture and religion seeks to change us and destroy Western civilization.  Isn't it strange that so few such places exist for our dialogue?  One would think that the entire world would be awake and that their media would be resisting changes which will enslave them or destoy their culture.

 

Kapitein has expressed feelings which all men in Europe should be expressing, that:

"National self-determination for Europe's peoples must be protected at all costs if they do not want to be at the mercy of foreigners both at home and abroad, including the use of deadly force if necessary. The alternative of 'submission' will be far more chaotic and violent than any can currently comprehend at the moment."

 

Panamboy expresses similar feelings with Logicalman and Crawdad and summarizes American views:

 

"...few folks in positions to better manage this change have not paid attention to what is going on, or do know, but either think they have no way to confront it, or just don't give a damn."

 

 

Change must come from within our own governments and societies.  The policies that have created this issue did not arise by the will of immigrants.  Immigrants threaten our national survival but not as much as the power structures in our own countries.  Those seem to have chosen a path and myopically compel our journey down it.  We know the road will lead to destruction or to a utopia which is envisioned by them. We want neither. 

 

The media, the worlds avenue of ideas, does not support ideals common to the West. They see themselves as a vanguard for the unified utopia world and have no alligence to our values. Media prods our publics along the politically correct path to the multiculturalalist world nirvana.  The media refuse to acknowledge our views and do not report facts supportive of the West.  They continue to foster apathy and acceptance in the collective herd who do not realize where the destructive bell cows are leading them. 

The public is unable to take a different path without leadership. Leadership which supports the West is undermined by media and failed power alliances in our own governments .

 

We must change media.  There is no chance for survival without doing so.  Truth is necessary for collective Western corrections to avoid destruction.  Impediments to truth must be removed. World views left intact will destroy the West.  Facts must replace grand visions.  Grand vision will be the first casualty when violence begins. It will not be the only death.

"Think a world with out

"Think a world with out Christianity and Judaism. Pray that Revelation is not a fable."

 

I do that every day.  I need to something to hope for to cope with the current state of the world.

Democracy, muslim style

Democracy and vote is an alien concept in many places around the world, including those living under muslim rule. The only concept that they can grasp is often : vote for the one "who has the same ethnicity as me", or for the one "who has the same religion". Ideas, economic programs, plans to harmoniously solve society's problems are concepts above the understanding of many of these non-european settlers. Europe chose the multiculturalist way and should accept the consequences.

Criticism of Election Manipulation Angers Dutch Turks

I have been a member of this journal for almost a year. I have read most all the editorials that are posted and many of the comments. With this information I have become more aware of the political and social happening evolving in many parts of the western parts of the world. ... At first I thought that I had come across some anti all modern history in the making group... Not so! I have come to the conclusion that most of what is written here is of folks who come from many walks of life and different countries that are pretty much saying the same thing. Change is coming and they have something to say about the way and the what is changing their world, country, city and local neighborhoods. I agree that change is coming and it is not for the better, at least not for the indigenous people of these countries. Yes, this includes the USA. What really bothers me is that few folks in positions to better manage this change have not paid attention to what is going on, or do know, but either think they have no way to confront it, or just don't give a damn. The sad part of this is that. if the day comes, should they live long enough, they will see their grand and great-grand children speaking a foreign language.... We will survive but it will not be from our past generations, but, by the blending of other peoples, if are allowed.... Think a world with out Christianity and Judaism. Pray that Revelation is not a fable.

Democracy in action

"what happens when White Non-Hispanic Americans shrink to less than 51% of the population?"

Then there will be a new majority and corresponding congress.  That's what the trend is, and the present majority in USA don't mind.

Stumbling toward Kristallnacht

While I agree with the gist of Kapitein Andre's comment, I feel a deep chill when I read "National self-determination  for Europe's peoples must be protected [...] including the use of deadly force if necessary."

If the problem is not dealt with soon and rationally, I fear that we will see bands of native Europeans re-enacting the horrors of the Nazis. 

Europe IS under attack and one of the weapons IS the  remote-controlled immigrant hordes.

The governments of the European nations - insofar as they still exist - MUST wake to the problem or Europe will be plunged into flames and darkness from one of two directions.

America has a different yet similar problem, and the U.S. govt is also refusing to admit the problem.

The next fifty years or so look very problematic.

Loss of popular national sovereignty

This religious and nationalist activism by Muslims and Turks that runs counter to the wills of Western European electorates paints a grim picture of the future if and when these foreigners outnumber Europeans in their own states. There is every indication that a Muslim majority in any Western European country would use its electoral power to fundamentally alter the state in its favour and at the expense of the indigenous, if minority, population.

 

Similarly, the United States is already experiencing interference by foreign Latin American governments w.r.t. its immigration and border security policies - what happens when White Non-Hispanic Americans shrink to less than 51% of the population?

 

National self-determination for Europe's peoples must be protected at all costs if they do not want to be at the mercy of foreigners both at home and abroad, including the use of deadly force if necessary. The alternative of 'submission' will be far more chaotic and violent than any can currently comprehend at the moment.