Muslim Vote Tips the Balance in Netherlands
From the desk of Paul Belien on Wed, 2006-03-08 15:59
Yesterday’s municipal elections in the Netherlands were won by the Left. The Labour Party (PvdA) gained more than 500 town hall seats, an increase of 50 per cent compared with 2002, while the far-left Socialist Party (SP) doubled its number of seats. The Christian-Democrat CDA of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende and his government coalition partner, the free-market Liberal VVD, suffered heavy losses. Yesterday’s result does not bode well for the Right in next year’s general elections. If the result in 2007 is the same as yesterday’s the PvdA will gain 49 of the 150 parliamentary seats, while the CDA – currently the largest party – will lose 13 of its 44 seats. A government of Labour, the SP and the extreme-left Groen Links (Green Left) Party could replace the current center-right government, leaving the Netherlands with a radical-left coalition similar to that of Norway today.
Today the center-left newspaper De Volkskrant writes that the immigrant vote has tipped the balance in favour of the Left. This should not come as a surprise. All across Europe, immigrants tend to vote for the Left. The Left is perceived to be the welfare state’s Santa Claus. Most of the immigrants who came to Europe during the past decades were attracted by the generous welfare benefits which Western Europe lavishly bestows on the “underprivileged.” Today, owing to their demographic growth, the immigrant vote is increasing as more and more young immigrants reach voting age. In many countries the Left has begun to cater for the immigrants, aware that the immigrants guarantee their power.
According to the Institute for Migration and Ethnic Studies of the University of Amsterdam 80% of the non-indigenous electorate voted for Labour. This explains why cities such as Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Breda and Arnhem succumbed to the Left. 84% of the Turks voted for the PvdA; 81% of the Antillians/Surinamese did likewise. Of the Moroccans 78% voted Labour and 12% voted Green Left.
The center-right VVD, the party of famous Dutch policians such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Frits Bolkestein, received only 1% of the immigrant vote. The CDA got 3%, the SP 5% and Green Left 7%.
According to De Telegraaf, the largest paper in the country, immigrant voters have become a power block.
The effects of the immigrant vote will soon be visible. The Amsterdam borough of De Baarsjes has already decided to remove a white cross which serves as a memorial to the Second World War. The cross is situated not far from the place where a mosque is being built. According to the authorities “Muslims and Jews” take offense at the cross as a war memorial. “We told them that it is a Dutch tradition to refer to the dead with a cross. However, the cross is seen as a reference to Christianity. I can understand this,” the local (Christian-Democrat) councillor, Jan Voetberg, said.
re: muslim gripes and infilteration
Submitted by europa on Sat, 2006-03-11 12:07.
MOST DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO FIGHT MUSLIMS WORLDWIDE, BECAUSE IF THE MUSLIMS DO GET A FOOTHOLD ON WESTERN GOVERNMENTS, GUARANTEED, THERE WILL BE A HOLY WAR, THIS TIME A COUNTER OFFENSE AGAINST WHAT THE MUSLIMS HAVE WAGED LONG WHICH THEY CALL JIHAD. WHAT I AM 100% SURE THOUGH, THE FINAL OUTCOME WOULD BE MUSLIMS BEING DESTROYED WORLDWIDE. THEY ARE NOT ONLY OUTNUMBERED BUT OUTCLASSED BY EVERY FORM OF SOCIETY THAT THEY CALL INFIDELS. CHINA, INDIA AND RUSSIA ALONE WOULD ANNIHILATE THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGE. IF THE U.S. AND ESPECIALLY EUROPE WASN'T SO DARN TOLERANT AND POLITICALLY STUPID AND IGNORANT OF THIS DANGEROUS RELIGION, THEY WOULD NOT BE FACING SO MUCH PROBLEMS. THE WORLD WILL NEVER BOW DOWN EVER TO AN ISLAMIC RULE, NEVER! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
Re: WW2 Cross to be removed to placate muslims
Submitted by Defender on Sat, 2006-03-11 02:36.
“But in return the daily prayers from the imam that sound across the city 5 times a day must not be able to be heard in the Christian districts.”
He shouldn’t be heard at all, there shouldn’t be a mosque. Just look around the world and see what the mosques are used for: inciting hatred against the west, terrorist hideouts and weapons storage and why? Because it’s a very safe place, many police officers and politicians wouldn’t dare to order a search in a mosque because if they did order the police or military to search a mosque, or law enforcement officers exchanged gunfire with terrorists hiding inside a mosque, the Muslims would start crying and whining about these unholy infidels who attacks their place of worship.Even if weapons were found during a search, they would claim they were framed and call for jihad against the infidels, and that is exactly what they want.
” Are modern day Hollanders prepared to shed blood for what they believe in?”
They’d better be, because if they don’t come out in force to the next election, and vote out the likes of those collaborator politicians in De Baarsjes, the Netherlands are well on its way to become the first Islamic controlled European country, and then they will have to fight if they love their country and their freedom, or relocate if they only value freedom.
World War II Cross to be removed to placate "muslims"? WHY?
Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-03-10 17:10.
"The Amsterdam borough of De Baarsjes has already decided to remove a white cross which serves as a memorial to the Second World War. The cross is situated not far from the place where a mosque is being built. According to the authorities “Muslims and Jews” take offense at the cross as a war memorial. “We told them that it is a Dutch tradition to refer to the dead with a cross."
Excuse me, a question for the Nederlanders here! Did any of those"muslims" that object to that cross..die there in WWII? I will concede to the "jews" that were there. Americans, Nederlanders of Christian and Jewish ancestry perished during World War II. And why has suddenly the "Jewish" population become upset about it? Why not add a "Star ofd David " to the memorial, if that is their objection. But to take it down because a raggle taggle group of ragheads and miscreants are having a mosque built nearby. When they spill their blood for the Nederlands, as blood was spilt during World War II, I might say perhaps!Though to remove such a thing is a travesty; an injustice to the men, women and children who died during the Second World War! Next they will wish to rewrite the the history of Europe as well..eh? This cannot be allowed to happen. The honourable dead must kowtow to the ignoble living hordes of terrorist breeding grounds. Please tell me it will not happen , not in the beloved land of the "Silver Skates"!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
WW2 Cross to be removed to placate muslims
Submitted by william on Fri, 2006-03-10 17:44.
So take down the cross.But in return the daily prayers from the immam that sound across the city 5 times a day must not be able to be heard in the christian districts.Can they agree to that? I dont think so.Give and take or nothing.Are modern day Hollanders prepared to shed blood for what they believe in?Stand firm and the bully will retreat.
Remove a cross, close a mosque
Submitted by Defender on Fri, 2006-03-10 08:18.
The greatest threats to Europe’s free people are the vastly increasing numbers of Muslims and the politicians who are so focused on personal career goals and power that they are willing to appease Muslim voters in anyway they can just to gain their votes, even if it means minimizing or taking away hard earned rights of their respective countries native people. And now the Amsterdam borough of De Baarsjes apparently have set a new low for politicians and their moral, they are pissing on the dead who ensured them the right to live in a democracy, removing a war memorial cross because Muslims feel offended by it as they think it refers to christianity. In my opinion this must work both ways so I call upon the people of the Netherlands to demand that all mosques be closed and torn down as these are a reference to Islam.
Write your local politician and demand that he/she takes a stand for you and your freedom loving ancestor’s rights, and I hope that all freedom loving voters everywhere will remember the sell-outs who supports the Muslims fight for an Islamic Europe and place their vote with those who fights for a free and non-Islamic Europe, come election day.
Submitted by Nicolas Raemdonck on Fri, 2006-03-10 01:26.
Moreau is mentioned. In Brussels has enough power to make some deals with Thielemans. He even said that he wanted muslimvoters.
Submitted by Brigands on Fri, 2006-03-10 12:09.
node/671 doesnt state that Thielemans consulted with Moureaux on the forehand. The only thing one can extrapolate is that the PS in Brussels is doing everything to gain the biggest portion of the Muslims votes. All of the PS want Muslimvoters.
It was Thielemans who pressed Hariche because he had a beef with his PS deputy; not because Moureaux told him to do so. Moureaux is a a populist; he uses everything and everyone at any given moment, this is a type of politician who'd walk over dead bodies without flinching.
Brgands: No, this article
Submitted by Nicolas Raemdonck on Fri, 2006-03-10 15:22.
Brgands: No, this article does not state it but Moureaux is one of the topfigures in the PS in Brussels and immediately jumped on the commotion. This cannot be a coincidence.
Well its obvious Moureax;
Submitted by Brigands on Fri, 2006-03-10 16:37.
Well its obvious Moureax; the Brussels leader of the PS; would jump at any criticism of this replacement-mayor; its just politics...I wouldnt look for a conspiracy.
He wont jump as fast if he were to be replaced by a North African PS politician...Moureaux is of the same class of politicians as Guy Cudel was...To stay in power by all means. Furthermore there are some changes underway...some PS head poncho's moving to Brussels; like Arena.
Ethnic Head Count
Submitted by snouck on Thu, 2006-03-09 23:20.
With the increasing weight of the Muslim communities elections in The Netherlands become ethnic head counts. Where large amounts of Muslims and Blacks live the Left is sure to win.
At 13 times: You have to
Submitted by Nicolas Raemdonck on Thu, 2006-03-09 20:27.
At 13 times: You have to make a difference between Mexican Immigrations in to the USA and legally Latino's (for generations) living in the USA. Some of these last group vote republican. And that was my point. THe problem with the immigration is a totally different point and I know it is very big issue and problem in the USA.
Just like Hamas!
Submitted by truth serum on Thu, 2006-03-09 17:54.
Oh good...I'm sure everybody in the Netherlands are just breathless in anticipation on their glorious future. Just think, they too will get to elect a 'party' like Hamas one day. All they have to do is be patient for about 30-50 years and blow up a few Europeans every once and a while. Sharia law here we come! Allah be praised!
Submitted by John Sobieski on Thu, 2006-03-09 02:24.
So the left and the Muslims are allied, eh. No surprise there. The lefties, with all their freewheeling 'love everything, love everyone, anything goes' society, believe that crocodile (Islam) is one they can feed everyone else to and then put that croc on a leash and take it for a walk. That's the folly of the left - not only do they think they will not be eaten in the end, but that they will make that croc into a docile pet. Uh huh...
Well if the left has a substantial minority and the Muslims vote as block for whoever they are told, you got a problem.
That is why I fight so hard to prevent America from allowing Muslims in. If we can keep their percentage of the population below 2%, I think we'll be OK. All my Senators and Reps know me and I have sent them books and sent them emails whenever any legislation I have an opinion about comes up, which happens a lot of the time. I contribute to those who listen to me and vote most of the time the way I hope would.
"That's right, I said it"
I still believe that are
Submitted by Nicolas Raemdonck on Wed, 2006-03-08 22:35.
I still believe that are people who have rightwing ideas but who do not vote right because there are brainwashed by the socialist.
The question of Moureaux. One thing you have to admit, he is a smart guy. Why did he choose as interim mayor a muslim woman as mayor. (there was a article of Belien on this on this site) Maybe because she was a muslim and immigrants would have liked that, however I believe there was an other or if you want second reason. The interim mayor was no fundamentalist muslim. She had integrated in the Belgian society (she wore western clothes and she wore no veil or any of that kind) or you could say she had become a good socialist. (choosing her own attachees)
And a very good french socialist, because she speaks no word Dutch. Why did Moureau choose a woman who could not speak a word Dutch, while there were enough socialists who could speak dutch. Well, he wanted to provoke the Dutch and if the Flemish politicians would oppose the interim mayor, he would say that they are racists, and that has happened. So, he could succeed in placing a incompetent young woman on one of the important political functions. Amazing...
Nicolas: Moureaux hasnt
Submitted by Brigands on Thu, 2006-03-09 16:24.
Moureaux hasnt selected a Muslim woman as interim mayor...you're confusing Moureaux with the mayor of Brussels: Thielemans.
Darko12345 your posts are not related, in any way, to the article.
Yes I know that, however
Submitted by Nicolas Raemdonck on Thu, 2006-03-09 20:14.
At Brigands: Yes I know that, however Thielemans and Moureau are politically close and it will have been discussed in the party with Moureau. It was also Moureau who came with the insult of racist, I thoughed.
I'm not too sure about that.
Submitted by Brigands on Thu, 2006-03-09 22:36.
I'm not too sure about that. They're in the same party but there is still the competition between Brussels & the 18 other towns. Thielemans keeps a low profile on communautarian elements.
Moureaux, the dangerous peanut.
Submitted by Brigands on Wed, 2006-03-08 20:58.
Moureaux is but a peanut;controlling one of 19 towns which make up 'Brussels' as known by most foreign people. He's a dangerous peanut as well; but what's even more dangerous is that he's part of a big bag of peanuts called the Parti Socialiste (I mock them as Parti Saucisse) which is the leading left wing political party in Belgium (it dominates the other left wings directly/indirectly overtly/covertly.).
What is even more dangerous is their utilisation of this 'political weapon', used to boot out the French speaking 'Liberals' of the MR in Brussels...and in general being used as a political weapon to (politically) minoritise the Dutch speaking community in Brussels.
It is also used in general against the Flemish which are depicted as 'former collaborators'(back up 66 yrs ago) infested with a xenophobic party 'who will boot out any immigrant so you better not vote for them (nor really see them as possible friends/allies)'-argument and this to enhance their political power into a Pro-Belgian & 'progressive' force.
Everybody is staring at Antwerp...they all seem to be missing the battle preparations in Brussels. Everyone is pointing at the Somme; but they're missing the one at Verdun.
Nicolas seems to think there is a chance to turn them. I dont share his positive view; those that can be turned are slow turners & insignificant. They're too afraid...corrupted into obedience (progressive politicians & immigrants). Bit like Belien's view of Belgium...a system based on corruption.
Submitted by Chripa on Wed, 2006-03-08 20:30.
Some time ago, Leon de Winter mentioned
an article that dealt with a similar subject.
It was specifically about a local politician in
Brussels, Moureaux, that promotes the islamization
of the town in order to ensure her
success in future elections.
For those who live in Belgium: Is this over the top? Here is Leon de Winters text:
And the Dutch article he referred reffered to:
This trend is quite
Submitted by Seattle Man on Wed, 2006-03-08 19:10.
This trend is quite depressing.
It reminds me of the Germans voting in Hitler.
Off course immigrants vote
Submitted by Nicolas Raemdonck on Wed, 2006-03-08 18:00.
Off course immigrants vote for the left. Why do you think that for example the Socialist in Belgium wanted to give a right to vote to non-EU immigrants?
However the Right must also try to get these immigrants to vote for them. A lawyer ones told me that in Brussels a lot of migrant entrepeneurs go bankrupt of face a lot of difficulties due to government regulations and taxations. If these people realise that the left is not the solution, then they will change their vote.
The same thing happened in the US. Ethnic groups like Blacks and Latino's used to vote mostly for the democrats but in the last two presidential elections, thanks to Bush junior, a lot of blacks and Latino's are voting for the republicans. So it can change quickly.
Nicolas Raemdonck: The same
Submitted by 13times on Thu, 2006-03-09 09:37.
Nicolas Raemdonck: The same thing happened in the US
The same thing is currently happening. Hundreds of illegal Mexicans flood across the US southern border daily. They are aided and abetted by Marxist-leftist* political groups that print maps and guides that detail what supplies should be taken (water) and the safest routes to traverse (desert trails) once inside the US.
The same pro illegal immigrant Marxist groups use these people as battering rams against their political opponents. The Latino mayor of Los Angeles happens to also be pro illegal immigration, very convenient. Cardinal Roger M. Mahony recently called for more tolerant and humane immigration reform- read: illegal Latino's. The church needs money to operate and wield influence, so it sold out to the Marxists. The Mexican proletariat, who cannot speak English. are left to the wolves- in and out of church. The same thing is/has been happening in San Francisco for two decades.
The difference between immigrants to Belgium and illegal Mexican immigrants to America.... Mexicans are Catholic.
* MALDEF (Mexican American legal defense fund) and La Raza (The Race)
Probably why the up coming
Submitted by Brigands on Wed, 2006-03-08 16:58.
Probably why the up coming elections in Belgium will be important for Flemish Interest (Vlaams Belang). A power block; pro left & Pro Belgium.
No wonder they're seen as competition or as a menace.
Its not like people weren't warned...it just took them time to become aware of it.
In any case, this is not any
Submitted by Ralf on Wed, 2006-03-08 17:27.
In any case, this is not any good. The suicide of Europe has begun. Remove the cross, crazy, suicidal, anti-christian, self-destruction. Only way out is right and fast but I'm afraid too late. Soon you will be left a muslim ruled country. Shame on the leftists who let these immigrants in and shame on the blind who don't see their own cultural and soon physical extinction coming.