Danish Imams Propose to End Cartoon Dispute

Update (7 February 2006): The Cartoon Hoax 


The Danish imams, who protested the publication of 12 Muhammad cartoons [see them all below] in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten last September, have announced that they want to end the dispute. For four months the imams and their radical Muslim organizations have unsuccesfully demanded government censorship. However, despite immense pressure (also from international organizations such as the UN and the EU) the Danish government refused to call the newspaper to account.

Last week a couple of Norwegian papers decided to publish the cartoons in support of the Danish paper while in Denmark moderate Muslims, encouraged by the government’s refusal to be intimidated by the radicals, have distanced themselves from the imams. The latter announced on Friday that they no longer demand apologies from Jyllands-Posten for the publication. Instead they said they just want two things: a guarantee from the Danish authorities that Muslims can freely practice their religion without being “provoked and discriminated.” And a declaration from Jyllands-Posten that the cartoons were not published with the intention of mocking the Muslim faith. “We want Jyllands-Posten to show respect for the Muslims. This can happen with an apology, but it can also happen in some other way. We will leave it to Jyllands-Posten to come up with some ideas,” said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman of the Muslim organizations. “We want respect for Muhammad restored and we want him to be described as the man he really was in history, and that he gets the respect he deserves,” Akkari stressed that Muslim organizations are still deeply opposed to the publication of the cartoons.

The Muslim organizations and Jyllands-Posten met last week to discuss the matter. “It was a good and constructive meeting. We agreed that we need to find a solution,” said Carsten Juste, editor of Jyllands-Posten. Juste stressed that the meeting was one step in a reconciliation process which the Muslim organizations and the newspaper began in December.

Some sceptics wonder whether the demands of the imams have changed fundamentally. They still insist that Jyllands-Posten admit that publishing the cartoons was wrong and make amends for it. The sceptics argue that the paper should not settle for a compromise on freedom of expression by justifying itself. Others wonder why the radical Muslims appear to be softening their demand and seem so eager to make a deal. Perhaps the decision of Norwegian papers such as Magazinet to support Jyllands-Posten by publishing the cartoons has made the radicals reconsider. Perhaps they fear a domino effect. Some Swedish papers are considering publishing the cartoons as well. If the Swedish government subsequently follows the position of the Danish and Norwegian governments, refusing to interfere and limit freedom of expression, the position of the radical Danish Muslims, who are looking for international support, will only weaken.

According to a poll taken this week among 1,047 people in Denmark 57% of the Danes support Jyllands-Posten’s decision to publish the cartoons, while 31% disagrees. Young people and men are more likely to support the decision. Almost two out of every three males and 61% of people aged between 18 and 25 years of age did so.

Meanwhile an international organization of Muslim intellectuals has threatened to mobilize “millions of Muslims all over the World” to boycott Danish and Norwegian products unless the Danish and Norwegian government condemn the publication of the cartoons, which is called an “attack on the Muslims of the World and on the Prophet.” In Saudi Arabia people are receiving e-mails and sms messages urging them to boycott Danish products “until Denmark offers an official apology.” The Organization of the Islamic Conference protested last week’s publication of the cartoons in the Norwegian paper Magazinet. The Iranian embassy in Oslo said that freedom of expression cannot justify publishing the cartoons. However, Finn Jarle Sæle, the editor of the Norwegian Christian newspaper Norge I DAG, announced that his paper is also considering publishing the cartoons. He called upon other Norwegian editors to do the same. Sæle says that so far many of them have only written editorials supporting freedom of expression but have not dared to publish the cartoons themselves.

Asked if wider publication will not lead to unnecessary confrontations between Christians and Muslims Sæle said the intention was not to provoke just for the sake of provoking, but rather to confront radical Islam in Norway. Perhaps it is necessary to provoke in order to do that, he said. Sæle wants the Norwegian imams to publicly oppose the death threats that have been sent to Magazinet’s editor Vebjørn Selbekk. According to Sæle these threats are not just directed against Magazinet. They affect the entire Norwegian media, not just one editor who dared to stand up for freedom of expression.


More on the Danish cartoon case which The Brussels Journal has been covering from the beginning: Click here (see links at end of article)

In Reply to 'Muslim and Proudd'

No one here takes 'Mrs. Revathy Parmeswar' seriously. However, if you want to launch into an anti-Western and anti-Christian tirade, take it to the Tora Bora mountains like your fellow co-religionists. Judging by your posts, it is evident, that while the Qu'ran, hatred and unconventional warfare are specialities of the madrasses, English is not. Perhaps if Muslims brushed up on English, the international language of business rather than these other pursuits, they could participate in the global economy on a greater level and they would not be so impoverished and frustrated.

to revathy

oh go make sum money 2 try and raise ur kids u fuking house wife... u wouldent know anything holy of it slapped u in the face. which im sure it has a few times!


god u people are total jerks!how can u judge something u dont even KNOW!dont judge islam and dont u dare bad mouth it cause one day u will stand infront of god and u'll know how stupid and ignorant u were!the bibble was a book from god too and i respect it but it was a book for a certain age and now its over,the religion now is islam iam a 17 year old gurl but i knw my way better than all of u people...no hard feelings,i pity u,god bless..

Islam is my enemy like Satan is my enemy

Dear mayousj,

True we will all stand in front of God one day, but it will be the God of the Bible and not the mythical "god" called "Allah". Allah is a false "god" a creation of Satan. Mohammad is a false prophet.

No hard feelings against you personally mayousj, but Islam is my enemy like Satan is my enemy, in fact they are both one and the same.

TO: FLLaw33870

u no wut FLLaw33870 go take ur white ass and rubb it on the bible b cuz its all lies. oh and by the way i have a bible in my washroom...why waste money on toilet paper ey.. money dont grow on trees..but then again the bible dont either it grows underground HAHAHA.

Dear Muslim and Proudd

The Qu'ran says you are supposed to respect the Bible and the prophets in it, including Issa. See, you are intolerant. You also seem to be a racist.

I wish to make a complaint against this hate speech. Can someone please ban this person from the forums? His posts are offensive and obscene.

@muslim and proudd

I would like to hear the soundtrack of your words. But you should use recycled toilet paper :)

Thanks for your eloquence, Mayweasal

Thanks for your eloquent discourse, Mayweasel. I am now convinced of the wisdom of your views.

"god u people are total jerks!how can u judge something u dont even KNOW!dont judge islam and dont u dare bad mouth it cause one day u will stand infront of god and u'll know how stupid and ignorant u were!the bibble was a book from god too and i respect it but it was a book for a certain age and now its over,the religion now is islam iam a 17 year old gurl but i knw my way better than all of u people...no hard feelings,i pity u,god bless.."

Just please point out what age the bible was for and at what point did it end? Also, where did you learn that Islam was the way- was it from your comparative religion course at the free University of Jihad or was it your homeschooling in Universal Socialist thought?

Islam and the West are incompatible

The only way the West can preserve its way of life and its freedoms (which are rapidly eroding like free speech and free press) is to eradicate Islam from its shores.

Islam and the West are incompatible. Islam is evil. Don't believe it? Then read the Quran; don't take the lying words of Islamic apologists. I've read it and it is not only a book of hate but of lies as well.

Thank God in America police stations are NOT calling us to come to their headquarters to explain the use of our inalienable RIGHT to free speech and free press. AND thank God we have the right to firearms to protect ourselves in the upcoming war with Islam within our nation. I don't expect Europe to survive its Christian/Judeo heritage. It is post Christian now and pre-Islamic, but not for long. The Dhimmitude politicians will see to that.

The disturbed view of the world many Americans hold

To the user who wrote about nuking the Muslim community you present common, egotistical and atrocious American style of viewing the world. Please tell me if you were placed in the president’s position could you really press the button that kills millions of innocent lives? Well, knowing the disturbed nature that many idiots like you possess your answer is probably yes. So I ask you, would you actually be physically able to look each women and child in their innocent eyes and with your cold-blooded hands splatter the blood on the floor? Maybe being placed in such a situation would make you realise the idiocy of such comments. Thank god we don’t have presidents like you.

That religion of peace (lies)

oh, those brave mujahideen, doing what they do best:

"...A large man dressed in military fatigues, boots and cap approaches from behind and covers her mouth with his left hand. In his right hand, he clutches a large knife with a black handle and an 8in blade. He proceeds to cut her throat from the middle, slicing from side to side.

Her cries — “Ah, ah, ah” — can be heard above the “Allahu akbar” (God is greatest) intoned by the holder of the mobile phone.

Even then, there is no quick release for Bahjat. Her executioner suddenly stands up, his job only half done. A second man in a dark T-shirt and camouflage trousers places his right khaki boot on her abdomen and pushes down hard eight times, forcing a rush of blood from her wounds as she moves her head from right to left.

Only now does the executioner return to finish the task. He hacks off her head and drops it to the ground, then picks it up again and perches it on her bare chest so that it faces the film-maker in a grotesque parody of one of her pieces to camera.

The voice of one of the Arab world’s most highly regarded and outspoken journalists has been silenced. She was 30."


RE: We do not understand at all

” we guarantee a free practice of religion without provocation and discrimination, because: That's the real meaning of freedom of speech!”

Sorry but you are wrong, freedom of speech means the right to question things you don’t believe in or agree with even if the other part finds it an insult that you question their beliefs or opinions.
Freedom of speech is of no use to anybody if it’s not used to challenge beliefs or opinions, how would our view of the world have been today if nobody had challenged the people who claimed that ships would drop off the earth when they reached the horizon? People’s right to question existing beliefs is the reason that great inventions and discoveries have been made.

Freedom of religion is the right to freely practice the religion of your choice, but does not in anyway safeguard it from opinions the followers might find provocative.

i just want to say something

i just want to say something to the complete idoit who wrote the last comment on page 1. I am a 15 year old muslim girl and the worst thing i have probably done is come home 30 minuites late after my cerfew and your saying i should be nuked. First of all what the hell does NUKE mean asshole and second of all what is more cowerdly then hoping for a 15 year old girl who wants to be a doctor when shes older to help people to be NUKED ( still have no idea what this stupid word means) or is a person more cowerdly for being felt insulted when your god and your beloved prophet has been insulted. If i do get nuked then i hope you can live with your self and when im older and for some reason your dieing and need a doctor ie me then dont come to me because with your sort of remarks i would probably NUKE you. You wonder why Muslims all around the world are full of anger and why seven year old boys in Afganistan want to suicide bomb the selves to save their brothers and sisters. Well its all your fault with your stupid stupid NUKENESS! Anyway i got to go and finnish my courswork because doctors arnt going to make themselves!

A Response to AMZ, I just want to say

Dear AMZ last night I thought on a response for you long and hard in a tender way, and yet the harsh reality of morning reminded me perfectly the truth of what my answer should be ...YES! Nuked! I will break this into segments for you.. so you will be able to follow it behind your comments and for length of the answering as well.

you wrote:

"i just want to say something to the complete idoit who wrote the last comment on page 1. I am a 15 year old muslim girl and the worst thing i have probably done is come home 30 minuites late after my cerfew and your saying i should be nuked."

Not just you .. all the other muslims as well. So your 16 years old, innocent and all that.. Not too innocnet you can use the word asshole quite easily! Hmm! My girlfriends 11 year old daughter swas raped by a gang of "muslim " thugs on her way home from school wearing her school uniform, hair in two braids on the side of her head with ribbons. I guess the ribbons were flashy and seductive hunh? They "used that child" for 2 days, then turned her loose, Why? Well it seems she was asking for it. Oh, Did I mention the "muslim pigs" were upset because she did not respond to them as she walked home. Could that have been:

1) because like a good little girl she had been told not to talk to strange men on the street.
2) she is DEAF! ( well partially and wears a hearing aid)- noise from the street sometimes causes her reverberation, she has braces as w ell..so she turns it down a bit.

you wrote:
" First of all what the hell does NUKE mean asshole"

Nuke is a slang or idiomatic expression, which means to lay waste with a nuclear weapon. As in take off or lift off and "nuke the area" from site! Meaning to drop a bomb on the area in question. Does that help!


Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Response to AMZ part II

you wrote:
"and second of all what is more cowerdly then hoping for a 15 year old girl who wants to be a doctor when shes older to help people to be NUKED ( still have no idea what this stupid word means)"

Oh! How sweet.. you wish to be a doktor..so did my girlfriend's little girl. Right now she is in a medical ward being treated for lots of things. I will tell her about your wishes as well. Perhaps you would care to come and tell her how " muslims"
are nice people who would NEVER do such disgusting things as that. And about your prophet! Because right now all I want to do is punch some scummy muslim in the face until they have none.. care to volunteer!

Would cowardly people also be people who make bombs and strap them on then visit wedding celebrations, tourist resorts, restaurants, hijack airlines, cruise ships,blow up subways and train stations, cities, world trade centers, call for jihad against fast food restarutant because some half illiterate asshole cannot tell the difference between a swirl ice cream cone and his precious god's name, marry a man to a goat, bomb schools, grocery stores, markets, etc,; teach their children to parade in the streets calling for murder or as grown men with weapons roam through hotels and resorts street looking to kill scandinavian children for the honor of their miserable prophet. Hmm! Could that be a coward!

you wrote:

"or is a person more cowerdly for being felt insulted when your god and your beloved prophet has been insulted. If i do get nuked then i hope you can live with your self and when im older and for some reason your dieing and need a doctor ie me then dont come to me because with your sort of remarks i would probably NUKE you."


Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Resaponse to AMZ Part III


Oh how touching, you are hurt! Not as hurt as others I am sure. I lived in the Middle East so as a group of people will you "muslims" do me a favour.. Cut the shit out about being so sensitive! Muslims have printed some of the most disgusting and specious excrement I have ever seen in cartoons in newspapers with regard to Jesus, Mary and the Jews, the West and ad nauseum infinitum I have ever seen. That sensitive part is extremely rich, coming from one of your faith. The cartoons and snippets I saw were a hell of a lot more repugnant than the ones that were printed in a NON -GOVERNMENT newspapers! In case you did not know the cartoons in the West are not government sanctioned.
Yours in the Middle East are! Jesus wept! But you do no t see the West running around
howling for the blood of muslims everytime you people print one! If we did NO ONE in the West would ever get ANY work done!

Why is it that when a muslim says. writes or does something horrible,no one ever speaks up over there. Let someone else do it against what you believe or one of you and you run into the street calling for the blood of that person and their children and their children's children!

"You wonder why Muslims all around the world are full of anger and why seven year old boys in Afganistan want to suicide bomb the selves to save their brothers and sisters. Well its all your fault with your stupid stupid NUKENESS! Anyway i got to go and finnish my courswork because doctors arnt going to make themselves!"


Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Response to AMZ FINALLY!

If I was dieing I would NEVER call you for a doktor, believe that..I would desire some sanitary easures.
I have unfortunately spent time in a hospital in the Middle East! Thank the Gods ..you can bring your own food in.. You need to! I also brought my nurse her latex hospital gloves as well. Also her masks, which kept me from being hit daily with the stench of foul medammes and garlic from her mouth, and the unsanitary hijab she was wearing. As for your following the great Hippocratic Oath.. that would mean you were civilized and since you would withhold medical treatment as you have stated previously. then that is typically in keeping with the belief system that your religion promotes.

Oh I thought that they did that because they were taught intolerance, hatred, greed, viciousness, barbarity,cruelty and disdain from birth.. You have educated me further.. I forgot about stupidity and just plain dumbness as well as religious slavery! Thank the gods!I thought it was something serious like a disease such as Asian Bird Flu! Those aforementioned things can be NUKED out of existence. I do not know why they hate us, in the West we usually come and save your sorry asses when it is needed. And provide escapes for you when the home regimes start telling you what you can and cannot do worship wise and as usual then you turn on us.. So yes Nuke you! You are not part of a religion.. I would call it a "cult"! Now go run off and make yourself into a doktor.. so you can go "poof" later on. when your people have finally ticked off the rest of the world for the LAST TIME!

Have a nice day!

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

When I'm older

when im older and for some reason your dieing and need a doctor ie me then dont come to me because with your sort of remarks i would probably NUKE you.

Ah, this must be the Hippocratic oath updated for the twenty first century. Very modern.

Bob Doney

We do not understand at all

Are you really sure that those imams really want to kill you, especially those Americans who really fear the Irak's radicals?
You should think about it a while: There's a big differences between our world and this of the arabian world, we cannot insult muslims for not understanding the manner of freedom of speech! Our different worlds have completely different values and different comprehensions of society, religions and at lest of caricatures!
When I read the article it was already clear for me: We cannot send this pressure of the threats, that have been sent to the Danish and Norwegian papers back to all Imams and Muslims in the world. It is not their fault that there are some kind of radicals, who cannot understand our values. But it is on us to show them, how we mean and translate those caricatures, it is obiously that they do not want any insults on Mohammed and his character, we wouldn't accept that for Jesus either!
And I have to ask: How often did the catholic church NOT understand any jokes and cartoons about its manners and traditions. It is not the first time, that papers have those problems about publishing caricatures and there is a differneces between our freedom of speech and those horrible comments full of hatred against the islamists. If we talk of laughing about our "faults" or our narrow-minded images than we should start laughing about our politicians and religions either.
If you ask me, there is no problem to laugh about things that are important for yourself, as long as you know, that those who published the cartoons don't mean it in a provoking way. And they don't.
I think it is time for an account that explains: we guarantee a free practice of religion without provocation and discrimination, because: That's the real meaning of freedom of speech!

just to face the truth!!!

please check out this book!
Let's think rationally! we have to know this religion talks about what NOT listening to others ! we have to make sure of this info is correct or not!
Be rational and know what is Islam (with correct info) then decide!
I believe in Freedom so much but I respect all beliefs more! that's why I knew the truth of Islam.. it's so good religion!

Dear little fundamentalist muslim dogs

We see you running around like rabid dogs in heat on the news every night. It is rather sickening to witness quite honestly. The religious stupor you are all in will be your means to your end. The tide of hatred in the west is rising against you each and everyday, so pray to God, pray to Mecca, whatever the fuck you animals do because it will soon be your only defense.


You may not like Clinton and Gore apologizing to Muslims for cartoons, but how do you like Bush sucking up to the UAE, breaking the law and tell us it's a done deal despite the illegalities?

For my part, I wonder why any politicians believe that US citizens ought to apologize to Muslims for anything! It's they who killed 3000 of ours, and I don't see a tiny sign of their remorse.

I think the politicians on both sides don't have a clue about how the average American really feels about arrogant imams, terrorists, and the people who admire them and won't stand up to them (I suspect they're waiting to see who wins). It isn't apologetic, either.

Everytime Muslims blame us for everything, including their own destruction of other Muslims' mosques and other Muslims, for that matter; and demonstrate for days over silly cartoons, blow themselves up to kill anybody and everybody else, etc., well, why does anyone think it's our place to calm them down?

They are listening to the evildoers who are stirring them up. If they think that our politicians are apologizing for us, they are going to be very surprised --if anything, our politicians are just trying to keep the lid on Americans. There is genuine dislike for everything 9/11 represents concerning those who attacked us. And it won't go away with all the sucking up the politicians are doing.

I can't wait to see which politicians will stand up with the people of the US in this UAE Ports matter.

Can't you?

Well, that's better...

I must confess I wasn't drinking coffee with my ampicillin...I had Constant Comment tea with honey and lemon and Puerto Rican rum...I feel better, too.
Sorry I missed the pagan Norse stories.
BTW, American Indians leave food out for the "spirits" just like A New Believer does...I went thru that religion, but, come to find out, it was a deception...Religions which rely on human intercessors are all deceptions, because humans are sinners all...

This is a very profound point, you see, about whether a human can reach God in a sinful state and how his prayers will be received. A Christian can, of course, reach God in a holy state because Christ is his intercessor and his prayers are made acceptable--thus, God's answer will be holy.
This is not the case with human intercessors.

Just thought I'd share what I know.

Note: I liked the Chi-wah-wah! It beats a fat-wah. I hope the poster from the Phillipines can find comfort from the tragedies there.

Nice to see you all!

I'm back...

Hello, I'm back, after a week with a cold and a sore throat...but I'm having trouble with the site. I'm being told I am being denied access to pages and I cannot post...so, I'm trying again.

Testing, testing...

Re: Yes! Please Make War On The Infidels!

"The infidels of the US, China, Russia, Europe, Japan, India and Australia versus Islam!
The world's first twenty minute war!"

Will it really take that long?*spoken like a cranky 4 year old?* I thought we were just going to take off and nuke them from site! I wanted to do my nails that night! *pouts* Oh alright!

okay the end of my levity hope you will not issue a fatwa on me Gordonz - I have a stack of them as it is!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Re: Mexican Fatwah! ( The Chiwahwah)

Oh nooooooo! Not the not the chiwawah!
and der weiner schnitzel as well! OKay, okay ...pipe down Charlemagne may try and lock me away in one of those hermitical cell with sackcloth, ashes, a pentenitial flail, and a hair shirt until I convert to catholicism, or at the very least a protentant sect of christianity.. it will not happen. I like where I am Odin already knows this. * looking both ways before I run...for the border....Chiwahwah! wah wah wah! Okay! lock is pick I am out of here, watch my back.. will leave you 6 bratwurst and a large plate of weiner schitzel on the side. Adios my friend, may Darth gerbil be with you!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To KungFuMaster....Odin eats delicious muffins!

Oh I leave food for the Gods all the time, and when I return..it is gone!
Some people here will say that this is nonsense, but hear me out! Who is to say HOW the gods move about! If you feed a homeless person on the street or leave food out as an offering and you return and it is gone.. The God or Gods have it! Did not Christ walk amongst you, and also Bhudda. We believe that Odin, Thor and Tyr and many others walk around all the time, testing mankind . Will you pass or fail their test. Did you feed soeone, or leave a blanket? Did you cover up a god or an angel? It is a test of faith. To live everyday as if you are dying and can do a good thing or help someone, or give someone else comfort. Now I am making muffins so .. which ones shall I make for you? Yes, I had thought about muffins and cakes and cookies being angelic manna?
I know Asgard is full of them, I bet the Christian heaven is also!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To KungFuMaster....Eeeeeeeep!

But I did mention Darth Gerbil.. and asked that he be with you!

* looks around nervously* Plus is not good.. the Viking * pointing on finger to the large Nordic giant chopping wood*

May the Prophet Gerbil be well!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Sorry KungFuMaster...Darth

Sorry KungFuMaster...Darth Gerbil Had my arms twisting it! I am on the side of
the Jedi GERBIL of course! *smile*

P.S. Tell GrandMaster Yoda the blueberry muffins are ready!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To Norse Pagan New Believer:

I meant eye-witnesses when I said witnesses. I am sorry that you misunderstood the context I intended. But I see that you were once a Protestant Christian to take the term as you did.

I like a good story, especially with muffins. The Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t come here anymore, not since 6 of them together insisted I defend my faith, but the men among them became alarmed when the women showed interest in Christ and women’s rights. The men hurriedly ushered them out. Same for the 5 Mormons who carried out their 18 yr. old Fiji Islander elder who was in a fit of laughter after I snickered and commented on their expectation of how women will enjoy keeping house in Heaven. They don’t come here anymore, either.

If you came to my house, New Believer, with muffins at 5:00am, I’d listen to your stories. And we’d have a free exchange of discussion. I’m still laughing at the Thor and the mighty mortal woman story I read, but if you can match that, you’re welcome.

Bring the muffins (I favor blueberry) and I’ll provide the Caribou Coffee (Rich French Roast).

To Blukat re Response Norse Pagan New Believer!

Ah Blukat sorry I was never a Protestant, that was my mother's honor..

If we believe the old ones and ancestors, such things are written as even they were written for the the other religions, except our gods walked amongst us and intermarried with us when it pleased them to do so. And Jesus Christ walked amongst the people also. mohmammed was merely a prophet, if that, so we will not discuss his attaining godhood it is irrelevant. we are only interesting ourselves in gods and demigods here. *winks*

I studied the religious branch of the Christian Faith and have taken my degrees in Theology and Comparative Religion. But I love witnessing and it seems the muslims do too. Though I am not very into proselytizing willy and nilly. I will bring blueberry, apple-cinnamon and orange-cranberry, pecan and almond ones. I will also leave a container of Gevalia Kaffee for you as well.(breakfast blend) Fellowship is a good thing. By the way I did not mention the Mormons because they are terrified of us since the pigs and chainsaw incident. I was having a roasted pig and he had not been dispatched yet, and the chase was on, when they came. We had banded together about 22 families for a blot and worship service and were killing about 4 pigs, when one of the kindred returned, Bjorn, a sweet and kindly soul but looking like a taller but rougher Aragorn, to the open doorway, chainsaw in hand, blood spattered about his body and long hair and looked in, saying to one of the other brothers.."You next!" ( he meant his pig was next), the Mormons were standing and sitting near that brother. They had heard the squealing, screams and heard the kicking and commotion out back. They looked at each other wildly and then at Bjorn, he smiled at them and stepped forward to shake hands. But he forgot to put the chainsaw down and walking towards them an intense visage with deepset eyes and a great smile, they panicked. The Mormons leapt up and began to rush for the door, nearly killing four of us as they began a mad scramble through the front door, running and screaming at the top of their lungs, as if for their very lives. Bjorn is a sensitive fellow, but very practical man he stepped on the towels I had down on the floor, but forgot to put down the chainsaw again and advanced to the door and said as he stood at the door smiling after them! "Please do not forgets to come back!" We all waved and smiled but by now they were insane with fear and began to beat each other senseless to get to the bicycles they had lined up by the side of the road. He turned to me and said,"Nice people! Too exciteable though, They shoulds relaxing more. I go finish pigs now!" Then he nodded his head and walked back out to finish slaughtering the pigs. Weeping, crying and gibbering they mounted the bicycles having bloodied each other with their own fists to get on them and away. When I saw two of the elders in town much later that day I invited them back for dinner that night, or the next as feasting went on the whole weekend., Bjorn and Sven were with me. They smiled. The Oldest Mormon elder, a young man of 22 peed his pants, then began to cry, Bjorn looked puzzled and handed him a handkerchief. The elder took it and used it shaking visibly. Bjorn stepped forward to help. He is such a gentle soul, really. When we noticed the other elder had started shaking and also and slowly peed in his pants. Bjorn told him to keep the handkerchief and we turned and headed for the store to pick up the jars of some damson plums and Sigrid. The Mormons never came back. come to think of it.. neither did the Baptists or the the Evangelicals. Never ever came back again, and I have always felt it was something we might have said, done or forgotten to do to make them more comfortable. I do so love company.

Oh well! We are always ready to welcome any muslims who care to come and talk!*smile*

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Paganism before Christianity

To be sure, I don't think the pagans missed very much. Their various mythologies covered everything. However, Christianity has witnesses and mythologies do not.
Besides, what Christ preached, paganism did not preach. Christ preached salvation. Buddhism and Hinduism have souls reincarnating forever because they understood that souls can't make it to heaven on their own. Islam preaches a carnal heaven where men have sex with chained women, but the soul does not have an earthly body (which is only useful in an earthly life).
Yes, pagans thought of everything except salvation.
Christians have witnesses that Christ was killed and that he died. And they have witnesses that he returned to life. Pagans had no witnesses. They had wishful thinking.
Muslims, through Muhammad, borrowed much from Jews and Christians without understanding what they were talking about. And, in fact, Allah was the word for the pagan moon god of the Arabs.
It is noteworthy that the pagans gave up their religions when Christianity supplanted them.
Christians have their own Scripture with witnesses to its truths. Islam is still a pagan religion that cherry-picked ignorantly through Judaism and Christianity.
Paganism certainly did precede Christianity, but no savior preceded Christ, nor taught as he taught, nor performed miracles of healing. Pagans have their myths, but Christians have their witnesses, which pagans never had.

Re: Paganism before christianity! Oh yes we Norse have!

"To be sure, I don't think the pagans missed very much. Their various mythologies covered everything. However, Christianity has witnesses and mythologies do not"

Sorry Blukat but that is not correct, we pagans.. Norse do some proselytizing
I have tracts printed up myself, with pictures and runes. I make a basket of delicious baked goods and go around to visit.. Well I visit only one or two groups that usually come to see me at extremely early hours of the morning to talk about how only 144,000 Christians are going to heaven. I do not think that is fair. More room needs to be set aside in heaven, I think.
we also hold blots where we honor and toast the gods and worship and pray as well, feasting and gathering. we invite people who are not Norse to join in our fellowship as it were.

Excuse me,as I happen to be one of Freya's Witnesses.. May I testify and witness to You!...

!) Did you know that Odin hung on Yggdrasil for nine days, and nine nights and cutting himself with his spear let his holy blood fall into the great river..a sacrifice of himself unto himself, giving us the Runes?

2) Did you know that Forseti is the son of Baldur, the God of light and of Nanna, the Goddess of Purity, with parents of this kind and most noble nature it is no wonder that he is considered the wisest and mot gentle of the Gods of Asgard?

3) Did you know that the three Norns are believed to govern the fate of mankind, and that even the gods themselves are not free of these decrees?

4) After Ragnarok, Lif and his wife Lifhralsir shall walk upon an earth cleaned of hatred, evil and suffering!

5) Did you know that Freya, and her Valkyrs, are chooser of the slain. Together they transport the fallen heroes to her hall. this place is known as Sessrymir ( the many seated), in the
realms of Folksvang it lies. Here the dead are served by faithful and women who had died before marriage. She has followers amongst the women. In olden times women wewre lucky enough to go to war with their husbands into battle, being killed as their men were killed, or if surviving the battles throwing themselves upon there husbands funeral pyres. It is believed that if you die together, you will go side-by-side into Freya's joyful hall and reside as lovers forever.

6) Did you know that Freya's colours are the colours of the Harvest?

7) Did you know the Runic alphabet is called a "Futhark"?

8) Did you know that BiFrost is the bridge one must take on the way to Asgard?

9) Did you know that Freya traveling in Svartalfheim, the realm of teh dark elves, has to choose between Odin and Brisingaman? A hard thing..the love of something beautoful and a personal ornamentation ofver her loyalty to Odin, the Alfadir?

Well I do not usually proselytize unless I am tired of hearing about islam. But so you know I have tracts printed up and I travel early very early some Saturday and Sunday morning before even teh Jehovah's Witneses rise... and I knock on their doors until they open them, and then I repay the favor that the kindly did for me the week before at 7 am even unto 12 noon when they go out trolling around neighborhoods. I make sure I only go to houses of the peopole who awaken me to give me the good news.. so I give them the good news also! Yes Freya's Witnesses! we will come and leave our tracts..just like other leaves watchtowers and daily bread. But usually no one ever comes back after that... sad really, I thought they might like a free exchange of discussion. Sadly, though many disapprove of my 5 am rambles.. I get up very early..to pray adn greet the day!. *sighs* One would think they can handle it as well. After all 7 am on Saturday morning my one late sleeping in day is pretty darned early to hear the good new about Christ. *smile* But I am flexible so I bring muffins with me.

Well now you know Blukat, some of us pagans do witness. there are 6 of us like minded individuals.. we feel it only fair to return the favor. Is that not a good idea!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Salvation, Egypt, 1300 BC

Salvation, Egypt, 1300 BC
This ancient papyrus shows a Dead Guy's judgment in the Egyptian Hall of Two Truths, on the left, the Dead Guy's soul is led to the scales of judgment by the jackal-headed God Anubis, who also, in the center, adjusts the Scales of Justice on which the Dead Guy's heart (the location of his "maat,' = goodness) is measured.
The monster Ammut crouches at the scales, hoping the Dead Guy fails the test, in which case Ammut with swallow his heart, and Dead Guy will suffer torment for a few eons, then die.

At the mid-right the Ibis-headed Thoth writes down the outcome of the judgment The Dead Guy did OK -- he was declared "maa-kheru" = "justified" -- so he's lead off by the God Horus to stand before Osiris, who grants him eternal life.
[Papyrus of Hunefer, c 1280 BC, from Thebes.]

Jesus brought salvation. Osiris brought salvation 1,400 years earlier.

Want to know more? Sure you do. Let's go look.

Yeah, but isn't all this just whacko junk history?
Modern scholars don't think so.

And the early Christians didn't think so either. Listen to Christian apologist St. Justin Martyr, writing to a Pagan in the second century AD,

How much did Christianity inherit from the Pagans?

How much did Christianity inherit from the Pagans?

The POCM web site introduces you to the mainstream modern scholarship about Christianity's origins in ancient Pagan religion.

You already know Christmas trees and Easter eggs were originally Pagan, and you probably know the traditional mid-winter and spring timing of the two holidays was Pagan too. Mildly interesting. Not what you'll find here.

What you'll discover here is that Christianity inherited everything from the Pagans. The core of Christianity -- the worship of a dying Godman who is resurrected, ascends into heaven and brings salvation to mankind -- was also the core of a number of ancient Pagan religions that began in the Near East two thousand years before Jesus.

Christian theology borrowed more than the archaic myth of the dying-resurrected Godman. Initiation by baptism, communion with the God through a holy meal that represented the flesh of the dead God, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, and immortality of the soul were all core beliefs of many ancient faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture.

Christianity also borrowed elements of Jesus' mythology: the virgin birth, the miracles (including turning water into wine, walking on water, and especially healing the sick) were all common elements of pre-Christian Pagan religions. Mithras had 'em. So did Dionysus, Attis, Osiris, and Orpheus. And more. And they had them centuries before Christianity was a twinkle in Saint Paul's eye.

Re: How much did Christianity inherit from Paganism

You said: Christian theology borrowed more than the archaic myth of the dying-resurrected Godman. Initiation by baptism, communion with the God through a holy meal that represented the flesh of the dead God, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, and immortality of the soul were all core beliefs of many ancient faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture.

This shows how little you know about Christianity. Baptism and communion are only symbols. Neither represents the core of Christianity and neither are fundamental to salvation (witnes the thief on the cross who was granted paradise without indulging in either). But since washing and eating are indulged in by all humans on an everyday basis, it is a rather ridiculous to ascribe washing and eating as being "borrowed from paganism".

As for your comments on Holy Spirit, monotheism, and immortality of the soul, traditional paganism indulged in a multiplicity of gods and was extremely unholy.

But the bible does record the knowledge of the true God as having existed on earth since Adam and long before Christ, so it is rather ridiculous, if not absurd, to suggest that just because some people had the right ideas about God before Christ, that this necessarily means that Christianity "borrowed" the ideas from paganism. It would be much truer to say that Christianity developed the correct ideas to their highest pinacle.

----------------------------------------------------Mahomet is no prophet, Allah is no faith, Islam is no religion. Christ will destroy them all.

British convert to Islam, , Cambridge University

The Trinity - a Muslim Perspective
A lecture by English convert to Islam, Abdal-Hakim Murad, given to a group of Christians in Oxford, 1996

think, two reasons for this. Firstly, the doctrine of Trinity was the most notorious point at issue between Christianity and Islam, and hence was freighted with fierce passions. For the pre-modern Muslim mind, Christian invaders, crusaders, inquisitors and the rest were primarily obsessed with forcing the doctrine of Trinity on their hapless Muslim enemies. It is recalled even today among Muslims in Russia that when Ivan the Terrible captured Kazan, capital of the Volga Muslims, he told its people that they could escape the sword by 'praising with us the Most Blessed Trinity for generation unto generation.' Even today in Bosnia, Serb irregulars use the three-fingered Trinity salute as a gesture of defiance against their Muslim enemies. And so on. Much Muslim theologising about the Trinity has hence been set in a bitterly polemical context of fear and often outright hatred: the Trinity as the very symbol of the unknown but violent other lurking on the barbarous northern shores of the Mediterranean, scene of every kind of demonic wickedness and cruelty.

Abdal-Hakim Murad


British convert to Islam, Abdal-Hakim Murad, was born in 1960 in London. He was educated Cambridge University (MA Arabic), and at al-Azhar University, the highest seat of learning in Sunni Islam. He has studied under traditional Islamic scholars in Cairo and Jeddah, including Shaykh Ahmad Mashhur al-Haddad, and Shaykh Ismail al-Adawi. Abdal-Hakim Murad has translated several classical Arabic works, including Imam al-Bayhaqi's 'Seventy-Seven Branches of Faith', and 'Selections from the Fath al-Bari'. He is also the Trustee and Secretary of The Muslim Academic Trust and Director of The Anglo-Muslim Fellowship for Eastern Europe.

Read other articles by Abdal-Hakim Murad on this site here.

dr hoffman 2

Several key experiences led Dr. Hofmann to Islam. The first of these began in 1961 when he was posted to Algeria as Attaché in the German Embassy and found himself in the middle of the bloody guerilla warfare between French troops and Algerian National Front which was fighting for Algerian independence for the past eight years. There he witnessed the cruelty and massacre that the Algerian population endured. Every day, nearly a dozen people were killed - "close range, execution style" - only for being an Arab or for speaking for the independence. "I witnessed the patience and resilience of the Algerian people in the face of extreme suffering, their overwhelming discipline during Ramadan, their confidence of victory, as well as their humanity amidst misery." He felt it was their religion that made them so, and therefore, he started studying their religious book - the Qur'an. "I have never stopped reading it, to this very day."

Dr. Hofmann 1

Dr. Hofmann, who accepted Islam in 1980, was born as a Catholic in Germany in 1931. He graduated from Union College in New York and completed his legal studies at Munich University where he received a doctorate in jurisprudence in 1957. He became a research assistant for the reform of federal civil procedure, and in 1960 received an LL.M. degree from Harvard Law School. He was Director of Information for NATO in Brussels from 1983 to 1987. He was posted as German ambassador to Algeria in 1987 and then to Morocco in 1990 where he served for four years. He performed umrah (Lesser Pilgrimage) in 1982 and Hajj (Pilgrimage) in 1992.

Confusing Islam with Christianity?

“u remember the story of a genetile woman bringing her bl,ind daughter for jesus to cure and what was jesus’s respond?” shall I take the bread out of the childrens mouth (meaning isrealis) and give it to the dogs(meaning the genetile woman)”

When Jesus preached and met people and spoke to them, he knew personal things about them that others could not have known. When Jesus spoke to the Canaanite woman, he wanted her to make an act of faith. She knew what he meant by what he said, and she made that act of faith. Jesus said, “O woman, great is your faith!” and he healed her daughter, who had been “tormented by a demon” (not blind). That was Jesus’ response. Tell the whole story, if you please.

Muhammad performed no miracles because he was just a man. Muslims have tried to have Muhammad mimic Christ, but his miracles are silly (see the Hadith). Muhammad was in need of healing himself—his religious experiences, as described, appear to be the result of mental problems and/or epilepsy. Muslims can interpret his seizures their way, and others are free to interpret them in other ways.

If anyone is confusing Islam with Christianity, it is Muslims, by pretending that Muhammad performed miracles.


"Jesus himself said that God and the Church are not the same province."

I'm sorry. It should be God and the State are not the same province.

Has anyone here ever heard of "listening for feelings"? This is a psychological technique whereby one senses the feelings behind and accompanying behavior (and speech).

I have to say it: When those Muslims finish their posts with their creepy lies and deceptiions, I start itching and feeling scaly. They make me feel dirty.

That's not an accident. That's what they exude.

*scratch* *scratch*

To Kenneth

But, what is the beauty of Islam? What wayward conditions of Christianity are you talking about? What problems are “Christian problems” and how and why is Islam the solution to Christianity’s problems and the problems of religion as a whole?

You have not shared your knowledge. You have not explained what you find wrong with Christianity. But I hope you will.

What sort of Islam do you adhere to? Perhaps you are a member of the Nation of Islam of Minister Farrakhan? Please tell us.

What kind of denomination is Church, Indiana, of which you were a minister and an elder? I don’t understand. Please clarify that.

Kenneth L. Jenkins

Kenneth L. Jenkins
Former Minister and Elder of Church, Indiana USA
As a former minister and elder ofthe Christian church, it has become incumbent upon me to enlighten those that continue to walk in darkness. After embracing Islam I felt a dire need to help those who have not yet been blessed to experience the light of Islam.
I thank Almighty God, Allah, for having mercy upon me, causing me to come to know the beauty of Islam as taught by Prophet Muhammad and his rightly guided followers. It is only by the mercy of Allah that we receive true guidance and the ability to follow the straight path, which leads to success in this life and the Hereafter.

Praise be to Allah for the kindness shown to me by Shaykh 'Abdullah bin 'Abdul-'Azeez bin Baz upon my embracing Islam. I cherish and will pass on the knowledge gained from each meeting with him. There are many others who have helped me by means of encouragement and knowledge, but for fear of missing anyone, I will refrain from attempting to list them. Sufficient it is to say that I thank Almighty God, Allah, for each and every brother and sister that He has allowed to play a role in my growth and development as a Muslim.

I pray that this short work will be of benefit to all. I hope that Christians will find that there is yet i hope for the wayward conditions that prevail over the bulk of Christendom. The answers to Christian problems are not to be found with the Christians themselves, for they are, in most instances, the root of their own problems. Rather, Islam is the solution to the problems plaguing the world of Christianity,as well as the problems facing the so-called worldof religion as a whole. May Allah guide us all and reward us according to the very best of our deeds and intentions.

Re Kenneth L. Jenkins

Kenneth L. Jenkins. A former minister eh? I understood that many US ministers are nothing but robbers and extorters of money by way of threatening people with the wrath of God if they don't pay their tithes. And many have long forsaken obedience to the word of God for gnostic knavery. I could understand that giving up that kind of thieving and lying for the sake of filthy lucre could indeed bring inner peace and relief. Admitting you are completely ignorant about God is probably the best thing you ever did!

As for God and Allah, they are opposed, to each other, for God owns Christ as his son and heir to all things whether in heaven or on earth, but Allah does not. So just don't mention Allah and God in the same breath again, O ignorant one.

Re: Kenneth L. Jenkins, he

Re: Kenneth L. Jenkins, he is the or was the Minister and Elder of the Pentecostal Church USA, he was raised by a fundamentalist preacher grandmother. And he was doing "faith healings as a jack leg preacher in tent and revival meetings" Holy Moley! He has been stealing in the name of the his former Lord Jesus Christ since he was 16. He becmae a minister at age 20. ( no wonder he liked Mohammed! They had about the same amount of training formally!) Muslims, you people can pick them! Whoa! *wiping my eyes from tears* Then he went to college and decided to go and try save Elijah Muhammad and the Black Muslims! hahahahahahahahaha I am sorry! NOW that must have been funny! The equivalent of being black and attending a Klu Klux Klan meeting in teh Deep South or visiting the local Nazi Party headquarters asking if you could hang around for a while! Get it! Hang around! Never mind!

Oh dear, you muslims dislike racists
and yet to quote former minister Jenkins
" As sincere as I knew many of them were, I could not buy the idea of God being a black man. I disagreed with their use of the Bible to support their position on certain issues>" * has it not been said that many christian view
Jesus Christ as he relates to them, asian, indian, white, black,etc.*
He finally accepted a job in Saudi arabia.. for what I cannot say. He got there and saw the women and men alldressed up etc.

Okay he is a fundamentalist pentecoastal minister before. Some of these sects of Christians, do not drink, dance, smoke, laugh, play music, listen to music..unless the music is holy. They lapse into tongues, fall onto the floor, gyrate, squirm and twitch, some going into seizure like convulsions. All because the holy spirit has filled them. I think everyone has the right to believe what they want and how they want. But if they are using him as an example. I am not sure if he was ever on the path of christianity or at least mainstream christianity in the first place. And I have to agree with Charlemagne. anyway.. For your information one and all. I could not let that go. I HAD to know!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Re: Kenneth L. Jenkins

Kenneth L. Jenkins Testimony". I was right. You were a minister in a reprobate and deeply heretical sect, Oneness Pentecostalism, which has forsaken true Christian doctrine that the Father and Son are distinct persons, for the ancient Sabellian heresy that God is singular in person. You confuse the references to YHWH in the Old Testament for references to the Father, which they are not. No-one could conceivably believe that Jesus and the Father were/are the same person, or that the bible teaches any such thing. Does not the book Revelation clearly teach the presence of two persons on the throne of God? Whom did Christ pray to? Himself? You were always totally ignorant of the bible.

Also, as is usual with such cultic sects, they forsake the bible teaching on the true relations between men and women, and the orderly role of the women in church (they are commanded to remain silent - 1 Cor. 14:34) and not permitted to teach (1 Tim 2), for their own libertinism.

You are correctly state in your testimony that the sect is riddled with hypocrisy. Nearly all pentacostals are antinomians, forsakers of the true law of God. A filthy cultic heretical sect.

As for your holy roller meetings - what does that have to do with the conduct of the church meetings as taught by the apostles?

The apostles taught that only those tried and tested in the faith should become elders - you were merely an enthusiast, and you failed the test.

Kenneth L. Jenkins --> you are a nerd who never knew anything of true Christian doctrine. No wonder you converted to Islam.

Mahomet is no prophet, Allah is no faith, Islam is no religion. Christ will destroy them all.

What Church in Indiana, USA ...boy?

What Church in Indiana, USA? We need a name. saying a church is like saying a needle in a haystack...or you have not been to Indiana..boy! You do have a name. do you not, boy?

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

"Can't we all just get along?"

How can Islam be a religion of peace when Muslims are killing Muslims and non-Muslims alike in the name of Allah? The Islam of the Koran and Hadith is a contradiction to what Muslims profess to believe publicly. It is a religion of violence and terrorism.

It's true that Catholicism, via its human agents, committed its share of atrocities way back when...but it does not encourage the likes of Eric Rudolph today. And Catholicism may not preach contrary to the Gospels. If Catholics do so, they are wrong and sinful. All Christian denominations have made a lot of mistakes; humans do that. They do it still. But, the idea is to make progress in understanding and living Christ's faith, no matter one's denomination.
Islam preaches violence; Christianity preaches love, even for one's enemy. The latter is often more difficult, but that is Christ's teaching.

If Evangelical Christians want to go back to the Reformation to stoke their fires of hostility against the Catholic Church, and do not accept Catholic Christianity at least as a valid faith, they are no better than the Muslims who haven’t gotten over the Crusades and still fight among themselves, Sunni vs. Shiite, etc. Look at the nonsense Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell preach. They preach politics, not Christianity. Jesus himself said that God and the Church are not the same province. I grew up with a number of Evangelical Lutherans--they were as much a pain in the arse as Muslims are today! My Catholic mother taught me to work on understanding them as well as my own religion. Today I live in SD, a state heavily populated with Norwegian Lutherans. They are very cordial and we find a lot of similarities in our respective faiths. I have found Lutherans who display a family rosary on their walls. I have found Catholic priests who say that Martin Luther was right, and I, too, think he was, about many important things. We don’t hate each other at all. We get along very well. Often our families intermarry and we share relatives with each other’s faiths. Sometimes we can reconcile our differences, sometimes we can’t, but we love and respect each other, anyway. Often, faith is a journey we are called to take.

Islam has it all wrong, to a Christian. It teaches the opposite of what Christ taught. Do you know what “the opposite” means, Biblically? The word is “Satan.” That says it all.

Muslims have called the US the Great Satan. I have observed that Muslims appear to have a malaise called “Projection.” They project on Christians what they, themselves, are guilty of. They hide their own beliefs and behaviors and blame us. That is human, too. But it is a sickness, all the same. We are wise to be aware of it.

to bob

yes you are alright islam is perfect ..well done..
those people are like a gang here and it seems that Bob is their head .
they all use the same nasty words then they calim they are civilized hahahh.
if we just compare between words and comments used by muslims and non muslims here everyone will now who is the really civilized strong one.....












Themurky picture is still murky...

I am learning all about Islam, but not from Muslims. Muslims do not appear to want to discuss Islam. If the Muslims from this forum are any example, they refer non-Muslims to pro-Islamic sources, but never speak any truth or knowledge from their own points of view and experience.
I think they do not discuss Muhammad because they are ashamed of what he said and did. To discuss him is to make such things known. That is why, I think, Muslims resent his image--it causes people to consider his many faults and deceptions. I think Muhammad himself is the greatest weakness of Islam, and Muslims must know it.
As to the freedom of demonstration in Muslim lands, how do we know it is freedom of expression? Maybe Muslims are threatened by terrorists that they will be killed if they don't demonstrate.
I have noticed that in the US, cults that preach end-times usually visit a kind of Armageddon on themselves (David Koresh, the Heaven's Gate people, etc.). That's called self-fulfillment of prophesy. I see it happening in Islam, for Muslims are killing Muslims shamelessly.
But, when I lived in Minneapolis, MN until a few months ago, most Muslims there seemed to be nice people, minding their own business, and working hard. Islamic culture appears to discourage women from working outside the home and even driving cars, but Minneapolis Muslim women are busy doing it all! Mulim men were happy and hard-working, too. Are Muslims different in the US than in Europe? These Muslims were Somalis. They seem to be happy in the US. I'm sure some are malcontents, but, I have to say, I think the Muslims in Europe, judging from this forum, are pretty mean and ignorant. I can understand why Europeans get their dander up.
I can tell you a couple of things that I have observed about Muslims: When Iranian women come to the US, Islam goes out the window! They love American men and don't let Islam stand in their way. Muslim men who have married American women do well in the US, but teach their children to hate Jews. That's sad, because Jews in America are very nice people and deserve better than that. However, lots of Muslim men drop religion altogether and work on getting along on their way to the American dream.
Well, that's what I have observed, anyway.
With all the tension in Europe, I don't see how the EU can bring in Turkey. The secular state there is almost an artificial entity and does not represent the people. What happens if the EU brings in Turkey and then Islamists seize the government? It could happen. Besides, Turkey hasn't owned up to its genocide of the Armenians. Al Qaeda and Muslim terroists seem to have quite a following--one never hears Muslims criticize them.
Well, I'll keep watching. See what happens.

islam not tolerant or codymega a big liar?

Question :

How can we prove to non-Muslims that Islam is a tolerant and easy religion?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Islam is the religion of mercy and kindness, the religion of tolerance and ease. Allaah has not burdened this ummah with more than it can bear. Whatever good it does, it will be rewarded for it, and whatever evil it does, it will have to bear the burden of that sin, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned”

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

Allaah has spared the Muslims any difficulty or hardship in all that He has enjoined upon them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He has chosen you (to convey His Message of Islamic Monotheism to mankind by inviting them to His religion of Islam), and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship”

[al-Hajj 22:78]

Every sin that a Muslim commits because he makes a mistake, or forgets, or is forced to do it, is forgiven by Allaah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error”

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

And Allaah says: your prayer is granted.

The Muslim will be brought to account for what he does deliberately, not for what he does by mistake, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And there is no sin on you concerning that in which you made a mistake, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend”

[al-Ahzaab 33:5]

Allaah is Kind and Merciful. He sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with ease and the tolerant monotheism:

“Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you

[al-Baqarah 2:185 – interpretation of the meaning]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded.” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 39).

The Shaytaan is man's greatest enemy. He makes him forget the remembrance of his Lord (dhikr) and makes his sin attractive to him, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Shaytaan (Satan) has overpowered them. So he has made them forget the remembrance of Allaah. They are the party of Shaytaan (Satan). Verily, it is the party of Shaytaan (Satan) that will be the losers![al-Mujaadilah 58:19]

What one’s own nafs (self) says has been forgiven by Allaah, The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has forgiven my ummah for thoughts that cross their minds, so long as they do not speak of them or act upon them.” (Narrated by Muslim, 127)

Whoever commits a sin then Allaah conceals it, it is not permissible for him to speak of it, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “All of my ummah will be fine except those who commit sin openly.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2990).

If a person commits a sin then repents, Allaah will accept his repentance:

“your Lord has written (prescribed) Mercy for Himself, so that if any of you does evil in ignorance, and thereafter repents and does righteous good deeds (by obeying Allaah), then surely, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-An’aam 6:54 – interpretation of the meaning]

Allaah is Generous and Kind, He multiplies the reward for good deeds and forgives bad deeds, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, narrating the words of his Lord: “Allaah has decreed hasanaat (good deeds) and sayi’aat (bad deeds), then He explained that. Whoever intends to do a good deed then does not do it, Allaah will write it down as one complete hasanah; if he intends to do it then he does it, then Allaah will write it down as between ten and seven hundred hasanaat, or more. Whoever intends to do a bad deed, then he does not do it, Allaah will write it down as one complete hasanah; if he intends to do it then he does it, Allaah will write it down as one sayi’ah.” (Agreed upon; narrated by al-Bukhaari, Kitaab al-Raqaa’iq, 81)

From Usool al-Deen al-Islami, by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem al-Tuwayjri. (www.islam-qa.com)
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codymega liar exposed

hi their can u pls stop copying and pasting ur lies , whatever reference u giving I urge any sincere non Muslim to look in to it from Islamic sources not the lies u r attributing to islaam and im sure if the reader reads everything u pasted from ur molesting priests , they will disagree with ur claims , pls everyone thr read this Christian fanatic carefully , he may belong to the satanic denomination of Christianity called “speaking in tongues” this particular sect get possed by the demons and talk in languages which was never known to them b4 durring their praying session , how scary aouthubillaah “I seek refuge in Allaah from satan the accursed”
plss all read this guy carefully and than read those refrences meaning look in to Quraan and sahih al bukhari that he is quoting and see fot urself wat a liar n a twister he is
may Allaah guide u poor soul amen

To Cody Their intolerance exposed may work to our advantage!

CodyOmega, you are wasting your breathe! It is a dead, done deal. They will never learn and never listen! They are Paranoid and believe we are all in a racist plot. My father said never make a liar out of anyone! If they keep it up there may come a day when scenarios they never want to think about are imposed, as well as sanctioned, by the west. Close your eyes and think of it. The western world bands together and forms the NEVER ALLOW ALLAH AND MUSLIMS TO ZEALOUSLY PROSELYTIZE ON EARTH EVERYWHERE- now that is a little long so let us say that we use the initials instead - NAAMZPEE Party! Dues are nominal at first.. We will more than make up for it in taxes later. First agenda the systemic rounding up and repatriation of ALL muslims in western countries. I know! I know! It will cost..but listen, not as much as you think. Each muslim must report to the police in every town that they are in. They must have all documents and identity papers handy, they must register. They get a new stamp on their papers. They have to pay for the stamps. Sections of the cities can be cordoned off for them. After all we cannot have terrorist elements roaming the street willy nilly..just anytime and anywhere they please. It is harsh. But remember, this is what they want. They have been screaming and demanding censorhip for the press, and free speech ( which actually will work out to our advantage, we can monitor them better.)

1. All muslims must register with the police units in their towns.
(failure to register, they will be shot)
2. All muslims are under curfew. 8pm wordwide.
(failure to keep curfew, they will be shot. technically if your police force wishes a little fun, it could be 8 pm elsewhere when they are shot! )
3. All muslims must be identified.
green and white armbands will be handed out. ( this is their prophets colours)
(failure to wear or to be caught without your armband - you know it by now.. they will be shot)
4. Nationalization of all muslim owned industries, banks, services, restaurants, licquor stores (amazing what the prophet will let you traffic in,though not drink. yes)
(do not worry, if they refuse to give them. up. they will be shot)
5. owing to the need to maintain better protection of course for them, and to allow our respective authorities ease in monitoring their movements. Section of the cities should be cordoned off and made entirely available to them. Not to worry. citizens displaced by such hardship will be recompensed by the new detainees, I mean new transferees own tax fund.
(failure to comply, they will of course be shot)
6. new transferees, please, will of course help in the war effort. Daily releases from the transferee sections to appropriate factories as well as industries will commence and salaries renumerated at a rate the governments in question, will of course have approval over.
7. repatriations back to their respective countries will commence on a weekly basis, of course, taxes will be
charged and collected at the departure area before boarding ships and railway areas. So they will feel comfortable, eypgtian cruise lines will be given a contract to help in the removal I mean repatriation back to their homes.
( refusal to pay the tax or enter the railway or ships..of course they will be shot)

well that does not sound like fun to me, and hopefully it will never happen. but if they want it to. I suggest they keep running their mouths with regard to freedom of speech, supporting silently terrorists and violence against thh west. Because I do not think they truly realize how close the right wing elements in the respective nations are coming. And .. sad to say. many moderates are starting perhaps to feel the same way. Their intolerance and creation of a growing group of Islamophobes in the west, is pushing the envelope.

Sounds like a plan yes. Hmm! I wonder has anyone written the "Protocols of Islam" yet. *cracking fingers together* How soon do we need that now!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

islaam is racist or codymega is a bigg liar?

Codymega why are you delebretly lkying and giving false refrences , you scumbag and pathetic liar if muslims are racist or islaam teaches racism than how come every year in hajj the world sees thousands of muslims praying side by side in same clothing black nand white European and asian all next to eachother in the same place??? Please don’t confuse islam with Christianity , uyou see in the bible they clai jesus called the non isreali “dogs) u remember the story of a genetile woman bringing her bl,ind daughter for jesus to cure and what was jesus’s respond?” shall I take the bread out of the childrens mouth (meaning isrealis) and give it to the dogs(meaning the genetile woman) u dumb head how dare you confusing islaam with other religions. In islaam racism is a big sin <<< look down moron n read for urself with proper refrences to proof you a liar >>>>These forbidden and innovated celebrations stir up tribalism and racism, and imply approval of what the colonialists did by dividing the Muslims’ land and making it into scattered states and peoples.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At‑Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]. Verily, Allaah is All‑Knowing, All‑Aware”
[al-Hujuraat 49:13]

Allaah created Adam and Hawwa’ [Eve], and made their offspring into peoples, tribes, races and colours. All people come from Adam and Hawwa’, and no colour or race is superior to another. Rather all of them are equal before Allaah with regard to their origins, and the one who fears his Lord the most is the best and most honourable before Allaah.

However people split after this into nations, countries and races, is only like the splitting of a single family, brothers from one father and one mother.

This ‘asabiyyah (tribalism) that is appearing nowadays in most countries, where people form factions on the basis of race, colour or homeland, is akin to the ancient tribalism that existed between the tribes of Aws and Khazraj; it is one of the leftovers of jaahiliyyah [ignorance].

There had been many wars between Aws and Khazraj during the Jaahiliyyah, with a great deal of enmity and hatred, and intense fighting, until Islam came and they entered therein, and became brothers by the grace of Allaah.

After Islam had set their affairs straight and they had become united, a Jewish man passed by a gathering of Aws and Khazraj, and he was bothered by their friendship and unity. So he sent a man who was with him to sit amongst them and remind them of the wars that used to be waged between them. He did that and kept doing it until they were provoked and became angry with one another, and they got riled up and started shouting their slogans and calling for their weapons, and threatening to go out to the Harrah (a place in Madeenah) to fight. News of this reached the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he came to them and started to calm them down, and said, “Are you issuing the calls of the jaahiliyyah when I am still among you?” Then he recited to them the following verse (Interpretation of the meaning):

“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e. this Qur’aan), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allaah’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allaah makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:103]

When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited this verse to them, they regretted what they had done, and they reconciled and put aside their weapons.


Islam does not forbid a Muslim to love his homeland or the country in which he lives or grew up. What is reprehensible is basing one’s feelings of loyalty and disavowal on that, and loving and hating on that basis. A person who belongs to the same country as you is not closer to you than a Muslim from another land, and the reason for your loving or hating others should not be whether or not they come from the same country as you. Rather loyalty and disavowal, or love and hatred, should all be based on Islam and piety.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to love Makkah because it was the most beloved land to Allaah, but he did not love the kaafirs who lived there, rather he fought them because they fought against Islam and killed Muslims. Neither he nor his companions ever gave precedence to their love of Makkah over the laws of Allaah, so when Allaah forbade those who had migrated from Makkah to go back to it, except for Hajj and three days after it, they adhered to that and did not stay there for longer than that period. Their love for Makkah did not make them disobey Allaah, let alone do anything that was worse than that.

Today you see that tribalism and devotion to one's country has gone to such extremes that places of shirk are venerated just because they are in one’s country; the flag is venerated because it represents the country, so the people stand and salute it with a reverence that is absent in their prayers when they stand before their Lord.


Using passports is not regarded as a kind of ‘asabiyyah (tribalism) or jaahiliyyah (ignorance) because the purpose is simply to identify a person and the country of which he is a citizen. If it so happens that some people use them for the purpose of boasting and acting superior to others, or to express tribalistic pride in his country, this is something blameworthy.


We have mentioned that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) loved Makkah and that he gave precedence to obeying his Lord over his love for Makkah.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Makkah, “What a good land you are, and how dear you are to me. Were it not that my people drove me out from you, I would never have lived anywhere else.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3926; classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi and by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5536.

You can also find similar stories of the Sahaabah and those who came after them, by reading their biographies. It seems that the love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahaabah for Makkah was because it was the most beloved land to Allaah, as it says in another report narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 3925: “You are the best land of Allaah and the most beloved of the land of Allaah to Allaah.” Classed as saheeh by Ibn Hajar.

But the natural love that a person feels for the place where he grew up is something that is not regarded as blameworthy by sharee’ah, so long as that does not distract you from acts of worship and obedience which are more important. Hence we see that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them), Muhaajireen and Ansaar alike, left their homelands and went out to other lands, spreading the call of Islam throughout other countries. They went out for purposes that were nobler than their attachment to land and buildings.

And Allaah knows best.






















I ALSO SAW A PORN VIDEO MADE BY NERMIN....NERMIN DOES HOLLAND, sequal to debbie does dallas 2...

and both did "BEHIND THE GREEN KORAN" sequel to behind the green door 2 ! ha..ha..ha..!
guess who produced it...?

MUHAMMED with his 72 virgin actresses..

allah ahkmed, JIHAD GANGBANG!


Islam: Religion of Peace??

I seriously doubt if Islam is a 'religion of peace'. Do they mean peace as in 'you will be at peace with muslims if you don't cross us'? It seems to me that Muslims always try to find a reason for violent acts. They always look for ways to vent their hostilities to someone else. Maybe it's because of the promise of virgins in paradise... now tell me, who in their twisted, perverted mind won't die for something like that?

Is Islam a disorder?

If any Christian, whether saint or sinner (and all men are sinners), condemns women as evil and stupid, he is not following Christ. Jesus was respectful of women’s rights as equal human beings with men and respectful of their intelligence. He forgave women who were repentant as well as men who were repentant. He engaged in intellectual discussion with women (see the story of the Samaritan woman at the well, for one example). He considered that if a woman divorces her husband, she would be committing adultery as surely as a husband would be committing adultery if he divorces his wife. Anyone who professes to be a Christian but believes or teaches counter to the Gospels is exhibiting a cognitive dissonance disorder, as the very least of explanations. But, of course, it happens.

Ghandi made an amusing comment on the Christian propensity for being imperfect: “I would have become a Christian, if only I could find one.” (Paraphrased, more or less.)

Unlike Jesus, Muhammad believed that women were “deficient in intelligence” and should not be given equal rights under Islamic law. He also taught that the majority of people in hell were women. On the other hand, the depiction of women in Paradise is most degrading, for their only purpose is to satisfy the sexual urges of men , chained to different corners!

After the manner of Ghandi, I would reflect: “ I would like to understand Islam, if only I could find a Muslim to explain it.” I marvel at the absurdities my inquiries invoke. However, after many disordered responses, I am ready to invoke Ocham’s razor: If it quacks….

none are so blind as those who will not see...

“Thank you sister nermin , emeda julien and jews4jesus I think you guys are the very few on this website who don’t bad mouth or act dumb the rest seems to be very rude and uneducated prime example is amyscout
I thank you all for your well said point of view.
May Allaah bless you all ameen”

“u find here people…really crazy ,paranoid, ,mad and shaken people .”
Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:51.
those ugly peopel say it is lies and gave us a dose of tehir ugly mouth who dripps only with nasty words..
“Who ever makes a DIRECT link between Terrorists and Islam is an idiot…Thats just plain stupid (no link no, reason no, excuse).”
Submitted by Jews4Jesus on Mon, 2006-02-13 01:35.
Don’t bad mouth and don’t act dumb????


Hamza Yusuf
Mark Hanson

Hamza Yusuf started life as Mark Hanson in Walla Walla, Washington, USA. The son of two US academics of a Catholic and Greek Orthodox background, he seemed destined not for Islamic scholarship, but for Greek Orthodox priesthood until a near-death experience in a car accident, and reading the Quran, diverted his attentions towards Islam.

It was this sudden confrontation with his own mortality that Yusuf has described as being the defining moment that gave " someone who was introspective, perspective." Although, numerous factors interplay in any individual's conversion, it was this vista in particular, that opened up a path of enquiry and reflection that ultimately led to his conversion to Islam in 1977, a few months before his 18th birthday. His brush with death had sparked an intrigue into the afterlife, causing him to study various traditions' views on death. Islam, he found, offered the most detailed account of all.

Furthermore, he found that many of his own values only served to harmonise with Islamic belief. His father, a Humanities Professor and his mother a Berkeley graduate, were fairly active in the civil rights movements enabling a strong awareness of social struggle and justice in the young Mark. "As a westerner, the child of civil rights and anti-war activists, I embraced Islam not in abandonment of my core values, drawn almost entirely from the progressive tradition, but as an affirmation of them."

Simultaneously, the arguments put forward in the Quran drew parallels with many of his own musings. From a young age, he was very much aware of being a product of his environment. The Quran prompted reflection on his perception of life, reality, and religion. Just as his parents were Christian, he had been raised as one, yet the Quran offers many parables of those following the religion of their forefathers without question. The Quran prompted him to look beyond what many take for granted.

After his conversion he left for England where he embarked on private study which was to instill a desire to learn the tradition from its source. It was during this time, in which he was beginning to learn Arabic, that he met Sheikh Abdullah Ali Mahmood of Sharjah who was in England at the time. This meeting was to prove pivotal in Yusuf's life providing him the opportunity to further his studies in the United Arab Emirates.

We will pray for Mark daily

We will pray for Mark daily to return to his senses and soon, that he may no longer be corrupted by an evil defiler of human beings.

May he return to the churches he came from

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Jeffrey Lang

Jeffrey Lang

Dr. Jeffrey Lang is an Associate Professor of Mathematics at the University of Kansas, one of the biggest universities in the United States. He started his religious journey on Jan 30, 1954, when he was born in a Roman Catholic family in Bridgeport, Connecticut. The first 18 years of his life were spent in Catholic schools, which left him with many unanswered questions about God and the Christian religion, Lang said, as he narrated his story of Islam. “Like most kids back in the late 60s and early 70s, I started questioning all the values that we had at those times, political, social and religious,” Lang said. “I rebelled against all the institutions that society held sacred including the Catholic Church,” he said.

By the time he reached the age of 18, Lang had become a full-fledged atheist. “If there is a God, and he is all merciful and all loving, then why is there suffering on this earth? Why does not He just take us to heaven? Why create all these people to suffer?" Such were the questions that came up in his mind in those days.

As a young lecturer in mathematics at San Francisco University, Lang found his religion where God is finally a reality. That was shown to him by a few of the Muslim friends he had met at the university. “We talked about religion. I asked them my questions, and I was really surprised by how carefully they had thought out their answers,” Lang said.


We will pray for Dr.

We will pray for Dr. Jeffrey Lang daily to return to his senses and soon, that he may no longer be corrupted by an evil defiler of human beings.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!


the west abandoned religions and fight islam as islam is fast growing and the are afraid of its spread...
one proof is what u find here in this site..you find peopel who say that they are atheist but they defend christianty and any other but attack islam..
u find here people say that they are not christian or jew and not athesist but also attack islam defend everything and attck islam.
they all share one thing which is their endless love toisrael only because israel is killing muslims on their behalf..
really crazy ,paranoid, ,mad and shaken people .

To Paranoid schizophrenic

To Paranoid schizophrenic with other psychotic delusional disorders Makamnaya ( Nermin)! Tell us the truth..Are you still taking your Halidol and your Thorazine?

Because Damn! Your psychiatrist really needs to up the dosage!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to Bob

you only mock and crtisize muslims when they post articles as copy and paste and u call these things rubbish. and u mock them by saying taht they dont have their own opinion and whne they post their opinion u say you want documents and if tehy do you mock them and those ugly peopel say it is lies and gave us a dose of tehir ugly mouth who dripps only with nasty words..
can u dare to say one word even blaming those people u know here for using teh most low standard words one can ever hear..you blamed me on ewhen i say to some one that h e is out of his mind although i was replying to his ugly nasty crazy words
what can u say about yourself excpet that you adopt double standard measure in everything regarding muslims even in here.
your animosity id thousand s years ago and it is very clear..
you want us to leave u this forum for yourself to talk to your self and exchange your ugly words as you like .
really you are not able to open any respected dialogue with others.
you are just ready made for hetrede and black hearted and blindnes.

Hateful, blackhearted and blind

really you are not able to open any respected dialogue with others. you are just ready made for hetrede and black hearted and blindnes.

You're not my biggest fan then!!

It's up to you whether you want to converse with me. It's no problem to me whether you do or whether you don't. The main thing I comment on is where people say things which don't accord with the facts.

And no, I don't like people posting chunks of stuff they've copied from somewhere else without giving the author or the link to the source material. If you've studied history you'll know that the source of information is just as important as the content.

The main reason I don't usually comment on postings from people who use foul and abusive language is because they don't encourage dialogue. They tend just to have an angry rant, which I don't find helpful or persuasive.

By the way, if you'd been a user here for more than a couple of weeks you would know that I've frequently been criticised for being too much in favour of Muslims. Strange but true.

Bob Doney

To Bob...sorry about

To Bob...sorry about Mkamanaya ( Nermin) this morning, I guess Bashar is not here and she is not getting any today! * shrugs shoulders* Must be hard on Valentine's Day, no flowers, no candy, no dinner, no dancing, no honey, no sex either.. wow! Pay not attention to her.. She is just mad cause a house landed on her sister BoB! *smile*

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To new believer nermin is ur godess

hi New believer you went abit too far this time ((Must be hard on Valentine's Day, no flowers, no candy, no dinner, no dancing, no honey, no sex either.. wow! ))my sister nermin isnt like you
She doesn’t come online so she can find a man like you did by finding ur late ex Muslim hubby from Syria
Why do you assume all women are like you? Plus in your religion having sex b4 marriage is fine and your religion is quite flexible as far as filth is concerned so u may beable to do your dirty work with ur brethren like amyscout and don but you see nermin is a muslimah(female Muslim) and she fears her creator and she refrains from sins such as committing adultery because if she was to be found guilty of this evil sin(adultery) she will be punished severely unlike you , your religion is too free on such things soooooooooo plssssssssss don’t accuse a Muslim woman of your own deeds thank you . stop telling us how your ex muslim hubby followed you cuz the proof that you went and lived in syria with him shows that you followed him as a cheap wh... n i guse thats was he ended it when he saw who you realy were . All men like to respect women who respect themselves unlike you , sooo dont you dare to accuse nermin of ur deeds , go on bob don n amyscout is there for women like you and im glade my muslim brother got ride of you :) lying bit.... go find another guy thru the net , ohh i got an idea amyscout43 is perfect match for you , wal ghabithoona lil ghabeethaat ( the filthy male are for the filthy female) in your case amyscout43:))))))
bye dear:))


go on bob don n amyscout is there for women like you

Thanks for your intermediary services, IslaamIsPerfect. Does your religion recommend this sort of attempt to encourage adultery and fornication? If so, I'm surprised. Anyway I'm much too old for all that sort of carry-on.

I'm very impressed by the purity of your thoughts, by the way. Keep at it.

Bob Doney

u most welcome bob

hey bob I can happily say that my religion is million times better than yours at least I am not a lying hypocrite contradicting myself
U see u and that new believer and amyscout seems to be very close friends and u all stand by each other , plus ur friend new believer seems to always call on u when in trouble and was telling u earlier abt nermin and basher n accusing her of adultery when its quite normal in ur religion not in nermins religion
N no my religion doesn’t promote adultery unlike yours
If you r too old to commit adultery r u saying u would of if u were young? Interesting response tells us soooo much abt u n ur faith

u see if I was u and a Muslim I would reply to u as this”no thanx I don’t indulge in adultery its against my religion”
take care bob n try to reconsider ur faith b4 its too late
may Allaah guide u poor soul amen

u most welcome bob

hey bob I can happily say that my religion is million times better than yours at least I am not a lying hypocrite contradicting myself
U see u and that new believer and amyscout seems to be very close friends and u all stand by each other , plus ur friend new believer seems to always call on u when in trouble and was telling u earlier abt nermin and basher n accusing her of adultery when its quite normal in ur religion not in nermins religion
N no my religion doesn’t promote adultery unlike yours
If you r too old to commit adultery r u saying u would of if u were young? Interesting response tells us soooo much abt u n ur faith

u see if I was u and a Muslim I would reply to u as this”no thanx I don’t indulge in adultery its against my religion”
take care bob n try to reconsider ur faith b4 its too late
may Allaah guide u poor soul amen


The question now is whether the US will decide to continue with its current policies of blindly supporting Israel or decide that Israel must not be above the law and must obey international laws like the rest of world!

Well, that's one of the questions. Another one is whether Iran is going to get nuclear bombs and try to sweep Israel into the sea in a sort of above-the-law kind of way while America blindly looks the other way.

Bob Doney

To CodyOmega

To CodyOmega, you are more than welcome. I am going nowhere, no matter what they say or call me. Have some pastries. I am a very excellent chef! :) And the same back to you, I find your articles very informative!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to the most idiot in this world

the christ said i didnot coem to change the laws but to complete..and the holy bible u know contains old and new testament..
if u are embarrassed.in fact there are so many embarrssing things i found that i cannot post here about women in your faked books..
you can direct yoru words to the jews not to us muslims.....
also why you defend christianty ,judaism if you are not ..are u defender of faiths as charles or u just malicious who is ready to defend anything on expanse of islam....
also for whom who said these laws are not applied in Uk..
i want toask him from when it is not aplied...
and this mean s that christianty and juadsism cannot be applied on human life...which indicate ther corruption .
before u start save your mouth dripped ugly words..
and take into consideration that every vulgar words you say will mean you ....
is taht your faiths teach u.
is taht your way to show civilization ..only speak words taht cannot be said in TV infront of children or in any public respected places..
it really refelect teh culture and environment u come from ....

Makamnaya(Nermin) Is the most Idiot - but which one of the 3

Makamnaya (Nermin) which one of you is puttin this out here today. Because it certainly is not the educated, english speaking one. When you decide which one of you is talking, then post. We are getting tired of watching you slip and slide all over the slope.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!