Stupidity Without Borders – The Alliance of Utopias
From the desk of Fjordman on Mon, 2006-07-17 08:38
The 20th and the beginning of the 21st centuries have witnessed the most spectacular population growth in human history, most of it in Third World countries. The world’s population, estimated at 6.4 billion in 2006, grows by more than 70 million people per year. In sixty years, Brazil’s population has increased by 318 per cent; Ethiopia’s by 503 per cent. There are now 73 million people in Ethiopia – more than the population of Britain or France.
At the same time, many of the most economically successful countries, both in the East and in the West, have problems with ageing or declining populations. At its peak around 1910, one-quarter of the world’s population lived in Europe or North America. Today the percentage has probably declined to about one-eighth. South Korea’s birthrate has dropped to the point where the average Korean woman is expected to have only one child throughout her life. The U.S. still has a birthrate of more than two, while the U.K. saw births inch up from 1.63 to 1.74 and Germany from 1.34 to 1.37 in the same period. The low birthrate problem in Asia is rooted in women’s rising social and economic standing. Japan’s birthrate was 1.28, comparable to Taiwan’s 1.22, and Hong Kong’s 0.94.
“Europe and Japan are now facing a population problem that is unprecedented in human history,” said Bill Butz, president of the Population Reference Bureau. Countries have lost people because of wars, disease and natural disasters but never because women stopped having enough children. Japan announced that its population had shrunk in 2005 for the first time, and that it was now the world’s most elderly nation. Italy was second. On average, women must have 2.1 children in their lifetimes for a society to replenish itself, accounting for infant mortality and other factors. Only one country in Europe – Muslim Albania – has a fertility rate above 2. Russia’s fertility rate is 1.28.
Writer Spengler in the Asia Times Online commented that demography is destiny: “Never in recorded history have prosperous and peaceful nations chosen to disappear from the face of the earth. Yet that is what the Europeans have chosen to do. Back in 1348 Europe suffered the Black Death.” “The plague reduced the estimated European population by about a third. In the next 50 years, Europe’s population will relive – in slow motion – that plague demography, losing about a fifth of its population by 2050.”
It’s numbers like these that have prompted Singapore’s former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew to state that “it’s demography, and not democracy, that will be the critical factor shaping growth and security in the 21st century. High rates of births are contributing to the booming populations which are dragging down developing nations. Meanwhile falling birth rates are sapping the growth of developed nations.” “Although migration is one option developed countries are looking at to keep their economies vibrant,” Lee said, “it might not solve all their troubles and might even breed social tensions.” According to him, governments may not be able to afford to keep out of personal issues like sex, marriage and procreation much longer.
Historian Niall Ferguson reveals how Islam is winning the numbers game. “If fertility persisted at such low levels, within 50 years Spain’s population would decline by 3-4 million, Italy’s by a fifth. Not even two World Wars had inflicted such an absolute decline in population.” “In 1950 there had been three times as many people in Britain as in Iran. By 1995 the population of Iran had overtaken that of Britain. By 2050, the population of Iran could be more than 50 per cent larger. At the time of writing, the annual rate of population growth is more than seven times higher in Iran than in Britain.”
Even in developing countries such as fast-evolving China, population growth is falling, and in the Indian subcontinent, Muslims have higher growth rates than Hindus or other non-Muslims. We thus have a situation with an explosive population growth in failed countries, while many of the most economically and technologically advanced nations, Eastern and Western, have stagnating populations. This strange and possibly unprecedented situation, which could perhaps be labelled “survival of the least fit”, will have dramatic consequences for the world. It is already producing the largest migration waves in history, threatening to swamp islands of prosperity in a sea of poverty.
Lenin stated that “Marxism is based on internationalism or it is nothing.” “The emancipation of the workers is not a local, nor a national, but an international problem,” wrote Marx. Karl Marx has defined the essence of Socialism as abolishing private property. Let’s assume for a moment that a country can be treated as the “property” of its citizens. Its inhabitants are responsible for creating its infrastructure. They have built its roads and communications, its schools, universities and medical facilities. They have created its political institutions and instilled in its people the mental capacities needed for upholding them. Is it then wrong for the citizens of this country to want to enjoy the benefits of what they have themselves created?
According to Marxist logic, yes.
Imagine you have two such houses next to each other. In House A, the inhabitants have over a period of generations created a tidy and functioning household. They have limited their number of children because they wanted to give all of them a proper education. In House B, the inhabitants live in a dysfunctional household with too many children who have received little higher education. One day they decide to move to their neighbors’. Many of the inhabitants of House A are protesting, but some of them think this might be a good idea. There is room for more people in House A, they say. In addition to this, Amnesty International, the United Nations and others claim that it is “racist” and “against international law” for the inhabitants of House A to expel the intruders. Pretty soon, House A has been turned into an overpopulated and dysfunctional household just like House B.
This is what is happening to the West today. Europe could become a failed continent itself, importing the problems of Africa and the Islamic world. The notion that everybody should be free to move anywhere they want to, and that preventing them from moving into your home is “racism, xenophobia and bigotry,” is the Communism of the 21st century. And it will probably have the same effect, only on an even large scale.
Communism creates poverty because when people don’t own property, they cannot plan for the future. If you and your children cannot enjoy the fruits of your efforts and work, but have to watch others take it away, you will no longer bother to go the extra mile or mobilize your full creativity to generate improvements.
Unrestricted immigration from failed states will eventually destroy global centres of excellence, the same way Communism did. This is definitely bad for the people who will lose what were once functioning countries, but in the long run bad for everybody else, too. It will deprive the inhabitants of Third World countries of the incentives needed to change their own nations if they can simply move somewhere else and refrain from confronting the reasons for their failures.
Many pro-immigrationists use slogans such as “No human is illegal” to argue that immigrants who have entered a country illegally should be allowed to stay. But countries which don’t differentiate between citizens and non-citizens cannot long survive. A favorite quotation in the US is from the poem The New Colossus by Emma Lazarus; a sonnet written in 1883 that is now engraved on a wall in the base of the Statue of Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
It’s a great poem, but it’s just that, a poem. The global population today is 6.5 billion, and will rise to 8, 9 or even 10 billion in the near future. The “poor and wretched” of the earth make up literally billions of people. Should they all move to the USA? How many people can Americans take in before their country falls apart? If enacted, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act from 2006 will allow an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years. Can any nation possibly assimilate such a large number of people in such as short period of time?
The mantra that “diversity is enriching” does not have any real basis in facts. The logic behind this line of thinking is that receiving impulses and ideas from as many different cultures as possible is to your advantage. First of all, not all “cultural impulses” are equally beneficial, as can be witnessed by the rise in honor killings in the West because of Muslim immigration. And second of all: Why should this be an argument in favor of immigration? We have the Internet, global television and travel around the world much more frequently than ever before. We probably receive more information and “cultural impulses” than we are able to digest.
There are more than 20 member countries in the Arab League. Does “cultural diversity” increase globally if, say, Denmark becomes Arabized due to immigration? You would then get just another Arab country, while the only Denmark in existence would be erased. If “cultural diversity” is our yardstick, today’s Muslim immigration to Europe is a disaster. We are replacing unique cultures developed over centuries with burkas and sharia.
Moreover, many politicians and intellectuals fail to appreciate just how much communication technology has changed the rules of the game. When people praise immigration that took place a hundred or two hundred years ago, they are talking about a world that no longer exists, like generals planning for the last war. Modern technology means that immigrants can live in Western countries as if they never left home, visit their original homeland frequently, watch satellite TV in the language of their parents instead of the language of their adopted country, and stay in touch with their relatives back home through the Internet.
Globalization has made it easier than ever not just to move physically to the other side of the world, but also to live one place physically and on the other side of the world mentally. The full implications of this technological revolution are too complicated to be properly predicted or understood by any one individual, but they are bound to have far-reaching and sometimes unsettling consequences for the nations involved, especially if combined with a deliberate, open-border ideology.
Observer Mac Johnson points out that in the past, admission into America was regarded as a very rare and generous gift. Today, admission into the US or any Western democracy “is regarded by many as something between a civil right and an entitlement. Indeed, many seem to believe that the host population should be grateful to them for having arrived. Many immigrants, therefore, arrive as colonists, wishing only to set up a slightly wealthier version of their homeland.” He also points out that until the mid-20th Century, immigration to America occurred from a very restricted pool of nations. “For all our celebration of the great melting pot, America was mostly melting European peoples in that pot.” “These peoples shared a great deal of cultural inheritance before ever setting foot in America.”
Besides, it is not clear whether experiences from the USA, Canada or Australia can easily be transferred to Europe. The colonization of and immigration to these countries was indeed violent and unacceptable by today’s moral standards. To put it in a brutal way: A country can only become a “successful immigration society” if the indigenous population has been marginalized. In the USA today, only about 3% of the population is made up of Native Americans; the rest are all descendants of immigrants.
It is wrong to compare Europeans with European Americans, Europeans should rather be compared with Native Americans. Europeans are our own Indians. When Europeans dig in the earth to uncover archaeological finds, we are finding traces of our own ancestors. All our folklore, culture and history are intimately tied to the land. Which is why the current immigration could lead to a string of civil wars, as the indigenous Europeans will not in the long run put up with being displaced in their own countries.
British commentator Anthony Browne, author of the book “Do We Need Mass Immigration?,” points out that the migration waves we are witnessing now are unique. “What is happening now is the result of sustained migration pressure the likes of which the world has never seen before.” “The revolution in “human rights” means that as soon as anyone gets past passport control they are pretty much guaranteed to stay. 47,000 illegal immigrants were detected in 2000, but just 6,000 were sent home.” “A hundred years ago, most people in the west rarely moved even to the next village; now whole villages from Bangladesh are relocating to northern England.”
He quotes the then president of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina, who in 2000 was asked by the Los Angeles Times how the country was going to feed, clothe, house and employ the expected doubling of her population by 2050. She replied: “We’ll send them to America. Globalisation will take that problem away, as you free up all factors of production, also labour. There’ll be free movement, country to country. Globalisation in its purest form should not have any boundaries, so small countries with big populations should be able to send population to countries with big boundaries and small populations.”
Browne also confronts the assertion that “mass immigration is normal, irreversible and beneficial to host societies” as a “damaging illusion. Rather, the current experience of developed western countries, faced with huge inflows of people […] is unprecedented and damaging. The process can and should be stopped, in the interests of the rich diversity of nations it will otherwise crush.” “In 1924, the US government passed legislation that effectively closed the door on European immigration, opening the door to immigration from poor countries with new legislation only in 1965. Australia has shown in recent years that tough policies can reduce illegal immigration to virtually zero.” “Pro-immigration campaigners who tell the people of Europe that ‘mass immigration cannot be stopped’ are adopting the policies of despots through history of quelling opposition by telling opponents that resistance is futile. All that is needed is political will.”
American military historian and columnist Victor Davis Hanson talks about how mass immigration is the product of a de facto alliance between the Libertarian Right and the Multicultural Left. The economic Libertarians can be represented by Swedish writer Johan Norberg, author of the book In Defence of Global Capitalism. Norberg can have valuable insights into the flaws of the Scandinavian welfare state model. However, his commitment to a “free market, open border” ideology blinds him to the threat posed by Muslim immigration, an ideological blind spot that is almost as big as the ones we find in Marxists. According to him, “at the moment there is a problem. The right supports one part of globalisation — the free movement of capital and goods – while the left tends to support another part, the free movement of people.”
Norberg believes immigration is already so extensive it would be unwise to halt it. Pointing out there were 15 million Muslims in Europe, he noted in a 2003 article: “If we close the borders, if we alienate this substantial minority, we risk creating resentment between ethnic and religious groups, and only the fundamentalists would gain.” “If people were allowed to cross borders at will, they would take their ideas and their labour and skills with them. This is all part of free trade, and it’s a paradox that many liberals don’t see this.”
Japan has a declining and ageing population, Yemen and Pakistan have booming populations. Does anybody seriously believe that it would be “good” for the Japanese to open their doors to millions of Muslims from Yemen? “Do you have any education?” “Yes, I know the Koran by heart and can say ‘Death to the infidels!’ in ten different ways.” “Splendid, just what we need here in Japan. Can you start tomorrow on developing a new line of plasma TV screens for SONY?”
When it comes to stagnating populations and Muslim immigration, the problems are not nearly as damaging as the cure.
Among political right-wingers, there is frequently a belief that what is good for business interests is good for the country. The problem is, this isn’t always true. There is sometimes a gap between the short-term interests of Big Business for cheap labor from Third World countries, and the long-term interests of the country as a whole. You cannot compete with cheap commodities from Third World countries unless you lower the general wages to Third World levels.
A few decades ago, Prime Minister Lee Kwan Yew realized that Singapore could never win the worldwide competition to offer cheap labor. He decided instead that the country was to become a high value-added producer. To Lee, that meant wages had to be high enough to encourage Singapore’s businessmen to invest in labor-saving technology. To raise Singapore’s salaries he had to make sure that local wages wouldn’t be undercut by migrants. Yes, you could pay an unskilled Bangladeshi $400 dollars a month. But in that case you had to pay the state another $400 a month.
In Europe, the one nation that has proved to be most successful in technology, “Nokia nation” Finland, is also perhaps the one country within the EU that has accepted the least amount of immigration. Today, this small Nordic nation boasts a thriving hi-tech economy ranked the most competitive in the world and the best educated citizenry of all the industrialized countries. Neighboring Sweden, in contrast, with the largest per capita immigration in Europe, is in serious economic decline, and the only thing growing seems to be the crime rates.
Ethnically homogeneous nations enjoy a “trust bonus” which reduces the amount of conflict. There is little evidence that any theoretical “diversity” bonus from immigration will cancel out the loss of this “trust bonus.” South Korea and Japan are among the world leaders in technology. They are both ethnically homogeneous nations. Even China, which does have significant ethnic minorities, could soon be more ethnically homogeneous than many so-called Western nations. There will be no lack of “diversity” in the 21st century, but there could be a lack of functioning, coherent nation states. Maybe the West will “celebrate diversity” until our countries fall apart, and global leadership will be transferred to East Asia.
Yes, it is true that the ability to attract ambitious and talented scientists from other countries has benefited the USA in the past, and given it an edge over Europe. However, it is not without dangers to “celebrate diversity” in a country as diverse as the US. Americans should try celebrating what binds them together instead, or they may wake up one day and discover that they don’t really have a lot in common. What then for the United States?
Anthony Browne notes that Britain “became the largest economic power in the world in the nineteenth century, in the almost complete absence of immigration to these isles. Japan became the world’s second largest economy after the second world war in the almost total absence of immigration.” “Britain can never compete on the basis of low wages with low cost countries such as China for the simple reason that the cost of living is so much higher, and it is a mistake to try. Although cheap labour immigration may have staved off the demise of those industries for a short while, it also compromised them by encouraging them to go down the cheap labour route, and discouraging them from going up the high productivity/value added route.”
The revered former Chairman of the US Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, stated in a testimony given to the U.S. Senate: “Although discovery of new technologies is to some degree a matter of luck, we know that human activities do respond to economic incentives. A relative shortage of workers should increase the incentives for developing labor-saving technologies and may actually spur technological development.”
Robert Rowthorn, academic economist, criticizes the claim, frequently repeated by Tony Blair’s Labour government since it took office in 1997, that “if we don’t have immigration, we won’t have economic growth.” According to Rowthorn, “if you repeat something often enough, you can perhaps make people believe it.” There is no evidence “that large-scale immigration generates large-scale economic benefits for the existing population as a whole. On the contrary, all the research suggests that the benefits are either close to zero, or negative” as unskilled migrants and their families often are net consumers of taxes.
“Immigration can’t solve the pensions crisis, nor solve the problem of an ageing population, as its advocates so often claim. It can, at most, delay the day of reckoning, because, of course, immigrants themselves grow old, and they need pensions.” “The injection of large numbers of unskilled workers into the economy does not benefit the bulk of the population to any great extent. It benefits the nanny-and housecleaner-using classes; it benefits employers who want to pay low wages; but it does not benefit indigenous, unskilled Britons.” “While Britain has always had immigration, the recent influx is totally without precedent in modern times. Relative to population, the scale of immigration is now much greater than during any period since the Anglo-Saxon and Danish invasions over a thousand years ago.”
Rowthorn also points out, correctly, that “refugees and others granted special leave to remain under the asylum rules account for only 10 per cent of immigration to Britain. Most permanent immigration consists of people who are economic migrants together with their dependants.” Most of them aren’t people fleeing persecution.
People smuggling has become one of the world’s biggest and most lucrative businesses, with professional smugglers who demand high payments. In one case in Norway, a boy around eight years old said his mother and siblings in Kosovo were dead. An investigation into his case, however, found his parents and siblings living in Greece. Fully 94 per cent of would-be refugees arriving in Norway lack valid identification papers. In the last four years, 50 per cent of those who have been refused asylum in Sweden have gone underground and have simply vanished. And of the half who have actually been sent home, a full 20 per cent have come straight back to Sweden to try their luck again.
In Iran, the Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign bragged that it was targeting potential suicide bombers in Britain because of the relative ease with which UK passport-holders could enter Israel. “Do you think getting hold of a British passport for an Iranian citizen is hard? Tens of passports are issued for Iranian asylum seekers in Britain every day. There are hundreds of other ways available to us, such as illegal entry [into Britain], fake passports, etc.” One gang is estimated to have smuggled 100,000 illegal immigrants, mainly Turkish Kurds, into Britain. These economic migrants paid between £3,000 and £5,000 to be transported via an elaborate and dangerous route.
“We were just tired of living in the forest,” explained a young man from Guinea-Bissau. “There was nothing to eat, there was nothing to drink.” In mid-September, Africans began assaulting the frontier of Spain’s small enclaves in Africa en masse. Deploying crude ladders made of branches, they used their weight to bring the fences down in places. As one of them put it, “We go in a group and all jump at once. We know that some will get through, that others will be injured and others may die, but we have to get through, whatever the cost.”
Rickard Sandell of the Royal Elcano Institute in Madrid predicted that the migration now underway could signal the prospect of an African “mass exodus” and armed conflict. What one sees today “is only the beginning of an immigration phenomenon that could evolve into one of the largest in history… the mass assault on Spain’s African border may just be a first warning of what to expect of the future.” With its shores only about 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the African coast, Spain is in the frontline of the fight against illegal immigration.
José Zapatero, Spain’s Prime Minister, said during a visit to the Canary Islands that his country would “spare no resources” to curb illegal immigration from Africa. However, his Socialist government launched an amnesty for more than 600,000 illegal immigrants the year before, thus greatly encouraging more illegal immigration. Moreover, due to the borderless nature of modern Europe caused by the European Union, once you get into Spain or any other EU country, you are free to move on to others.
The so-called Schengen Agreement, signed by a total of 26 countries, means that border posts and checks have been removed between European countries and common external border controls established. These are not always working very well. Roger Scruton points out that the pre-political loyalty for most people in Europe is with their nation states and not with “Europe.” However, not all countries care too much about upholding the borders of other nations. There have been reports of Italian police, for instance, releasing illegal immigrants on the border, free to go further north. Not their country, not their problem. So much for a “common European identity.”
At the time of the greatest population explosion in the history of the human race on its mainly Muslim southern borders, and when half of all Arab youths express a desire to move to the West, European authorities decide that it’s a brilliant idea to remove as many border controls as possible. And EU bureaucrats are quietly working to extend the “four freedoms of the EU,” including the free movement of people between countries, to include the Arab world.
Just like a scene from The Camp of the Saints, the controversial book by Jean Raspail, thousands of African immigrants have come ashore the Mediterranean island of Malta the past four years, most often making the crossing from Libya in open fishing boats, heading for the European mainland. And the tiny island of Malta feels overwhelmed. “We don’t want a multicultural society,” said Martin Degiorgio, a leader of an anti-immigration group. “Haven’t you seen the problems it has brought to France and Britain?” Scicluna, the government adviser, said that it was “utterly unrealistic to think you can pull up the drawbridge” and that the country needed time to adjust to immigration. “We’ve got to live with it. We’ve got to adapt to it. We have got to make it work,” he said.
Europe has lost, or even deliberately vacated, control of its borders, a situation that cannot be allowed to continue. Dr. Daniel Pipes has taken note of this issue, too: “The illegal immigration of non-Western peoples, I predict, will become an all-consuming issue in every Western country.” “Thus begins the first chapter of what promises to be a long and terrible story.” A bleak outlook, perhaps, but not unwarranted. Massive movements of people have in the past almost always triggered wars. There is little reason to expect our countries to be an exception. Tensions in Europe are already mounting due to immigration.
It is a matter of national security. According to a report by the Center for Immigration Studies, suspected or convicted foreign-born terrorists have routinely exploited federal immigration laws to enter or remain in the United States illegally. The always excellent African-American intellectual Thomas Sowell puts it this way: “We continue to hear about the ‘need’ for immigrants to do jobs that Americans will not do – even though these are all jobs that Americans have done for generations before mass illegal immigration became a way of life. Bombings in London, Madrid and the 9/11 terrorist attacks here are all part of the high price being paid today for decades of importing human time bombs from the Arab world. That in turn has been the fruit of an unwillingness to filter out people according to the countries they come from. […] Europeans and Americans have for decades been playing Russian roulette with their loose immigration policies. The intelligentsia have told us that it would be wrong, and even racist, to set limits based on where the immigrants come from. There are thousands of Americans who might still be alive if we had banned immigration from Saudi Arabia – and perhaps that might be more important than the rhetoric of the intelligentsia.”
Nearly 200 million people in 2006 lived outside their country of origin. That is a number similar to the entire planet’s population during what we in Western history call the Migration Period, which triggered the downfall of the Roman Empire in the 4th and 5th centuries. The similarities have not gone unnoticed by everybody.
Rear Admiral Chris Parry, one of Britain’s most senior military strategists, has warned that Western civilization faces a threat on a par with the barbarian invasions that destroyed the Roman Empire. “Globalisation makes assimilation seem redundant and old-fashioned… [the process] acts as a sort of reverse colonisation, where groups of people are self-contained, going back and forth between their countries, exploiting sophisticated networks and using instant communication on phones and the internet.” Third World instability could lick at the edges of the West as pirates attack holidaymakers from fast boats. “At some time in the next 10 years it may not be safe to sail a yacht between Gibraltar and Malta.” The effects will be magnified as borders become more porous and some areas sink beyond effective government control. Parry expected the world population to grow to about 8.4 billion in 2035, with some giant metropolises becoming ungovernable. The subsequent mass population movements, Parry argued, could lead to the “Rome scenario.”
It is strange that those who call for stricter limitations on immigration in general and for an end to Muslim immigration are denounced as “anti-democratic forces” when it is the other way around. No nation, regardless of political system, can survive if it does not uphold its territorial integrity. Democracy has proved to be a superior system in promoting economic progress through liberty. But will democracy also prove strong enough to survive when faced with uncontrolled mass-immigration from failed states?
This is a powerful dilemma for democratic states in the 21st century, one that is not exclusive to Western nations. India, too, has big problems with millions of people crossing into the country illegally from Islamic Bangladesh, which is why the Indians want to build a border fence. Democratic states will either be strict enough to control their own borders, or they will cease to be democratic, perhaps cease to exist at all.
It is sometimes said that trends start in California, and spread to the rest of the world from there. But maybe trends in the 21st century start in Israel. The “trend” of Islamic suicide bombings has to a great extent been pioneered in Israel. Maybe some of the Israeli countermeasures, such as building a security fence to protect yourself against Islamic terrorism and from being demographically overwhelmed by Muslim immigration, will become trendy, too.
In the middle of the massive waves of migration in the 21st century it is suicidal to cling on to ideas of a “borderless world.” Yet in the West, there seems to be an alliance between the anti-national forces of the political Left and the Libertarian ideals and short-term desire for cheap labor of the political Right, who denounce their critics as “racists.” Perhaps we can call it an Alliance of Utopias. What these Western Utopians don’t understand is that there is another, competing Utopia of a borderless world: The Islamic Caliphate. As long as the Islamic world can dump their excess population in infidel countries and Muslims make up a majority – some say 70% – of the world’s refugees, any policies of not maintaining our borders will only pave the way for the Islamization of our lands. And it will happen with the blessing of many of our intellectuals, both right-wing and left-wing.
A plague on both their houses.
Incorporation by Reference
Submitted by Flanders Fields on Mon, 2006-12-04 21:08.
As to the population, how many immigrants would have to be sent back in order to maintain acceptable parity? Under existing structures, there will be none returned. I hear little talk of stopping immigration and little about limiting it. The powers which exist want the immigrants and they want for you to adapt and accept them, no matter what dangers exist to you, your families or your way of life. Their media supports them and minimizes any danger, or avoids reporting on the details. Many of your neighbors believe the reports of the media and have come to accept further immigration or to accede to the fact that they have no abiltity to change it. We see many of our own countrymen who are swimming like lemmings in the sea in order to avoid it, but finding that they are one of the displaced immigrants to elsewhere, just with somewhat better standard of living for a time.
The UN tax will be pushed. It will be accepted gradually. The bill will not come from the UN. It will come from your own government and will be enforced by them. There will be no bill to pass to accept or reject it. It will come into being in the same way as the EU constitution. It will come "incorporated by reference", into existing legal structure. It's constitution and by-laws and that of all it's operative administration rules and regulations will be incorporated by reference into our own legal structure. Whether it will be by legislative or judicial fiat is the only question. If you have no voice now, what voice will you have when another layer of bureaucracy of that magnitude comes into being.
Fertility has to be measured in weighed average
Submitted by Joern on Sun, 2006-11-05 21:36.
Because as far as I know separate accounts are not being made of the etnic European population and of the foreign immigrants.
I am afraid the European fertilities have to be substantial corrected then. Immigrants' and etnic Europeans' fertility all together are the official measure in the single nations of the total fertility. But this total fertility nation by nation has to been an average depending on the percentage of the respective groups and their respective fertility, a weighed average. [Ad to this birth-frequence and fertility is two very different things, the first vary with the number of birthgiving women in the fertile ages]
European fertility is much closer to 1.0:
European fertility, some nations:
The calculation has been made on: http://www.lilliput-information.com/ferteu.html
J. E. Vig
Considerations in UN you was not meant to know about
Submitted by Joern on Sun, 2006-11-05 17:04.
If you find it worth while to investigate some of the considerations made by UN officials on the subject “Fertility, Work Force and Future Welfare in Europe”, you could go to:
[there are also specific considerations about Denmark, Italy og Germany perhaps made in the respective countries, but without the peoples knowing what will come]
These considerations were never meant to be debated in the open, but as they write in their reading/analysis the conclusions have to be known by the political architects who in reality informs the politicians - (and to my knowledge:) just a few of them are able to understand the considerations/analyses of what they intend to make take place.
One aspect is naturally or rather unnaturally not spoken out:
Perhaps less politics after a transition period with turmoil to alter things fundamentaly away from the problems made entirely by the politicians would be the best solution.
J. E. Vig
Other Considerations in UN you was not meant to know about
Submitted by FLLegal on Sun, 2006-11-05 18:10.
Just a bit off topic, but the U.N. has for some time and is working behind the scenes to institute an international income tax.
It is one thing to have to pay a U.S. Federal tax, but I'll be dammed if I will pay a U.N. International tax. Already there is another Congressional resolution in the hopper to withdraw our funding by 20 percent if the U.N. strives and/or discusses the imposition of an international tax. Now why would I want to pay a tax, which is a socialist tax redistribution scheme, to the U.N. which is the most inept, incompetent, corrupt, and Anti-American organization on the planet? It is bad enough that any monies go to the U.N. from the U.S. Treasury and that we pay millions upon millions of dollars of foreign aid to many countries that hold out one hand to take the money and the other a knife to stab us to death. Except for Israel, I would like to see all foreign aid come to an abrupt end. Let the chips fall where they may. If poor governments fail...fine.
As to the tax, it is reported that France which is in favor of tax has already attached an International tax to the cost of an airline ticket. That just means I'll never fly AirFrance or other airline that has an international tax.
In what basis do you call one country Muslim?
Submitted by beta on Sat, 2006-07-29 00:09.
In what basis do you call the country "muslim"? I am talking about the last sentence of the third paragraph "...Muslim Albania – has a fertility rate above 2..." If more than 50% of the population are muslim by name, religion has never been an attribute of Albanian people. By the way Albania is the only place in Europe or even world where all religious groups have lived in harmony. Please be careful how you're "creating" these names!
Grand (iose) illusions # 3
Submitted by marcfrans on Wed, 2006-07-19 22:54.
A third grand illusion concerns immigration.
There has always been a problem of a "population explosion", and in a sense there always will be. Malthus knew this already in the nineteenth century, and explained that there will also always be a natural population 'equilibrium' under given circumstances. The fact that the world population continues to grow simply reflects the fact that there has been economic progress in most parts of the world.
It is an ILLUSION to think that it is mainly the poorest in various societies that are emigrating to richer places. On the contrary, emigrants tend to be the more dynamic elements of society that are taking advantage of 'opportunities' elsewhere. They often do this to the detriment of their own societies which are then loosing (part of) their most dynamic human resources, while the immobile and passive stay behind.
It is also an ILLUSION to think, from the macroeconomic perspective of the recipient society, that the importation of people with ON AVERAGE lower educational skills and productivity than the prevailing average level in that society, would be economically beneficial to that society. This illusion rests on the mistaken belief that the interests of individual businesses coincide with the general interest of the country concerned. In short, rich countries typically do NOT benefit economically from the importation of 'poor' people.
Each of these illusions, referred to in previous paragraphs, deserves lengthy further explanation. Understanding these illusions is a prerequisite to understanding that largescale migrations of people will tend to magnify the "population explosion" problem from a world perspective.
Grand (iose) illusions # 2
Submitted by marcfrans on Wed, 2006-07-19 22:04.
Another grand illusion, in the context of world poverty, can be found in the statement from PVDH that "we should provide good education no matter what the regime is". That is of course an impossibility. A "good education" is inconceivable under 'bad' regimes. Such an education would require the development of critical (and selfcritical) thinking which would be intolerable to autocratic/totalitarian regimes. It would also involve the transmission to the next generation of an awareness of the true 'sources' of economic development (especially 'the rule of law versus the rule of men' and other manifestations of cultural behavior patterns).
Furthermore, rich countries themselves find it increasingly difficult today to provide "a good education" to their own children for a variety of reasons. On a broad cultural level these reasons have to do with the growing spread of moral relativism once a society has reached a high degree of material comfort (and has been protected for a considerable time from external dangers, as Europe has been under the Pax Americana of the 2nd half of the 20th century). On a narrower level, they have to do with monopoly power of teachers unions and the infestation of ideology in the educational process. Indeed, PVDH himself continues to illustrate what happens to bright people when the educational process becomes unhinged. It takes a while for the economic effects of these developments to reveal themselves widely, but they surely will. It should not be difficult for good observers to note that the economic growth rate in Europe (averaged across the ongoing business cycles) is today about half what it was a quarter century ago, and that unemployment rates have doubled.
Submitted by peter vanderheyden on Wed, 2006-07-19 22:35.
I agree with the first "illusions" you wrote. It's my poor English that s in cause. I mend "welstand", not “sociale bijstand” to say it in Dutch.
For the second “illusion”, I can see the difficulty in providing good education in some regimes like “Iran”. But why shouldn’t we be able to do that in, let say, Congo. Of course the definition of “good education” is different on the two spectra of the political firmament. But there are thinks we all agree on. Education in math, sciences and languages seems pretty non-political to me. I’m pretty confident that people, who learn to think trough schooling, will make up their own mind about the rest. As for “the growing spread of moral relativism”, I think it’s a bit exaggerated. Of course there is a lot of naivety. I completely agree. But that naivety is often just the opposite of moral relativism. People care about the injustice they see around the world. They think that giving money will change the situation, and that “the rich” are to blame, without knowing exactly who those ”rich” might be. Sure it’s naive, but it’s not more naive as those who think that it's all the will of God.
Grand (iose) illusions #1
Submitted by marcfrans on Wed, 2006-07-19 21:33.
In the preceding discussion several grand illusions, which are widespread today, have emerged. PVDH wrote, in the context of fighting poverty around the world: "And the only proven method is welfare". That is of course nonsense, because it is a form of putting the horse before the cart. "Welfare" in English usually refers to a sizable redistribution of wealth, through heavy taxation and subsequent allocation of 'benefits' by government to various groups.
Both, empirical historical observation as well as economic theory, teach that it is economic growth that makes 'welfare' possible, and NOT vice versa. Furthermore, while it is true that (once a minimum stage of economic development has been reached) certain (well-designed) government 'welfare benefits' can be conducive to promote further economic development, there is also massive empirical evidence that, beyond a certain level, additional welfare benefits will become 'destructive for economic growth and development. They will do so through (1) wasteful spending and through (2) deleterious effects on labor market participation and on work effort.
Submitted by Jari on Wed, 2006-07-19 20:22.
I find many inconsistencies in your argumentation. And above all, we do not share the same sense of urgency on the immigration problem.
First, using the words 'prison' in relation to poverty, and 'iron-curtain' and 'shoot-to-kill', you allow associations in the mind that are harmfull to a clear analysis and solution of the problem as i see it.
Second, there should be a clear distinction between real poverty, and poverty which is a result of comparison with life standards in the western world.
Third, from the desperate behaviour of (to be) refugees, we can not conclude they have tried to escape from real poverty.
Fourth, the masses that protect their natural resources are not the masses that invade into Europe. On the contrary.
Fifth, you are indeed claiming responsibility for helping poor countries out of their misery, by allowing them to immigrate to Europe as a pay - off.
Sixth, population growth follows a curve along three stages. 1 high birth rate, high death rate, 2 high birth rate, low death rate, 3 low birth rate, low death rate. To proceed from stage 1 to 3, implies we are facing a further explosion of the world population for maybe a decade or more.
Eight, i do not believe that our use of oil and minerals found on the territory of 'third world' countries, necessarily prevents the development of these countries. Development does not equal 'copy modern man', who has disolved al other reference points by spreading 'his way' all over the world. Fair trade however, is the least we can do. A pay - off by simply opening our doors, damages communities in both rich and poor parts of the world.
A part of the sustained
Submitted by George2 on Mon, 2006-07-17 23:16.
A part of the sustained growth of the US is due to the sustained immigration. Not the immigration of different cultures but the immigration of individuals who want to make it. US immigration laws also require immigrants to prove that they can support themselves for a certain period. They are not allowed to immigrate and ask for financial support. With other words, people who move to the US have some financial means and are motivated to make it. This has nothing to do with etnicity, melting pot bullshit. It has to do with one thing: taking up responsibility. When people move to the US they know they have to pick up their responsibility if they want to eat.
The US takes advantage of the politically correct immigration rules of Europe: if you have the right color of skin and you can make it to the EU border, you can join the feast. If you're white, well you're out of luck (e.g. eastern european workers). Those immigrants who do not want to take up their responsibility move to Europe. The people who do want to take up responsibility, the people who want to make something of their lives, the enterpreneurs go the US.
Submitted by peter vanderheyden on Wed, 2006-07-19 09:11.
Birthrates are the natural arms of the poor people. That has always been the case. It's not religion that drives the birthrates, it is poverty. Thinking that we can stop this evolution by "giving incentives" to the rich to have more children, or by keeping the poor out is an illusion. The contempt for death, shown by the illegal’s trying to get into our countries, shows that it will be impossible to stop them. If we want to do something against the exploding population in the world, and the undisputable trait it posses for our societies, our main target has to be the fight against poverty. It’s a huge task, but it will be much more efficient then trying to build higher walls with even more lethal and horrible devices to keep people out. Who to fight poverty is a difficult question to answer. Obviously by creating a free market, and by fighting corruption (which requires a kind of democracy). But Iraq shows us how difficult this is. I think one of the keys is education. We should provide good education all over the world, no matter what the regime is.
i'm sorry for crushing your dreams
Submitted by Untergang on Mon, 2006-12-04 20:23.
but you have to understand that the only to avoid being overwhelmed by the muslim population from the third world, muslim population is to boost your own fertility rates beyond 2.1 children per woman, in the next 10 years otherwise prepare for a major society upheaval.
Ideas & results
Submitted by Jari on Wed, 2006-07-19 11:24.
'If we want to do something against the exploding population in the world, and the undisputable trait it posses for our societies, our main target has to be the fight against poverty.'
Come - on, Peter. What makes you think it is our task to diminish poverty all around the world? What makes you think protection of borders is impossible if Europe and the individual countries never really tried?
First what we need is political agreement on the implementation of strict immigration laws. If Europe fails in this sense, the individuel countries should implement those laws themselves. Second, we need to obtain the means to officials who execute such policy on the most practical level possible, for exemple the means to expell illigal immigrants to where the came from. The only obstacle for implementation of such policy is MONEY.
Submitted by peter vanderheyden on Wed, 2006-07-19 12:18.
What makes you think it is our task to diminish poverty all around the world?
I didn't say it's our task. I said it's the solution for the exploding world population. Don’t forget that the more they are, the lesser they have, and the lesser they’ve got to lose, trying to escape the prison of poverty they are into. Let us suppose it is possible to keep them all out nevertheless. (Perhaps with an Iron-curtain-like-barrier and a shoot-to-kill order it’s possible.) Do you really think those masses are going to allow us to use the resources of the world for our own, just because we are rich? Oil, Wood, Water, Fishes, minerals… Of course not. Even now the movement for nationalization of oil and gas in South America is growing stronger by the day. And then those masses only use a fraction per capita from what we are using in the west. We’ve got to stop this explosive growth. And the only proven method is welfare.
Submitted by Cogito on Mon, 2006-07-17 19:49.
Well, count me in too, as a start. Besides these 9 persons, I figure half the Population of Poland would emigrate to the states, a phenomenon America has very positive experience with. I suggest opening the borders of Europe for the Mexicans too: that would redirect the wave of Hispano's to Spain. Two well-earned migration waves that would be.
new European immigration wave.
Submitted by Cogito on Mon, 2006-07-17 15:39.
Isn`t America up to a new immigration wave of European white Christians? what about low immigration requirements for christian, conservative North-europeans from England, Holland, Belgium, Scandinavia, Germany, Poland etc...
How would conservative Americans feel about that?
Submitted by peter vanderheyden on Mon, 2006-07-17 16:29.
That would be an awfully big wave: You'll have the pope and the Paul Beliën family.
Low Birthrate -- Good for Environment
Submitted by dchamil on Mon, 2006-07-17 15:07.
It is not a bad thing to have a decline in total population, since environmental problems are a reflection of having too many people. What would indeed be bad for the French whites, for example, would be for them to have a low birthrate while Muslims have a high birthrate. Of course, this is exactly what is happening. An expression of alarm over the low birthrate of French whites is implicitly a call for demographic warfare -- a competion in the birth rates. This is a recipe for a much larger population, which is not desired. The proper remedy is this: don't permit Muslims to enter France.
alliance of utopias
Submitted by traveller on Mon, 2006-07-17 10:45.
The main reason why integration halfway worked in the U.S. was the disappearance of the local ethnic group and culture, which is a little bit harsh as solution for Europe. At the same time the african americans with their vastly different culture from the judeo-christian-roman culture, are still not quite integrated into the U.S. society after 200 years. This should be a warning sign for the multi-cultural gurus.
Further, the islamic groups will only integrate if they are fully educated or are individually absorbed in a local ethnic family or neighborhood. A non-educated muslim in his own ethnic group will stay in his own dark ages.
Can we do nothing? Yes, stop family reunion laws if the main income is at minimum level and if the family is not at least fluent in English and the local language where they want to live. This goes for every family member.
Make a Mediterranian-European agreement for ONE passport only.
Anybody with 2 nationalities pays double taxation and every transfer of money abroad is taxed heavily as participation in integration expenses. You will see an immediate effect. They are very religious but they love their money more. Don't forget that many suicide-bombers are doing it for the financial future of their family.