Genocide Denial Comedy

I have it on good authority that the distinguished British historian Norman Stone is minded to see what happens when you flout the illiberal genocide denial laws being touted by the EU [pdf].

My own idea is to get a large crowd of liberty lovers gather in the European Parliament in front of the media on the day that this piece of monstrous thought crime legislation is passed by the statists that represent you in the palace of vanities that is the EP. Simultaneously they will proclaim that they don't believe that the Gulag ever happened. After all the mass murder of the Kulaks, Cossacks, oh just about anybody by the Communists is not on the list of the forbidden.

But back to Professor Stone. In today’s Telegraph piece he is quoted,

Norman Stone, the professor of history at Turkey’s Koç University, argues that any attempt to legislate against genocide denial is “quite absurd”.
“I am dead against this kind of thing,” he said. “We can not have EU or international legal bodies blundering in and telling us what we can and can not say.”

What was missed from the article was how he is proposing to do something about it. He is after all involved in the great Armenian genocide massacre argument. The French Government is legislating at present to make Armenian Genocide denial a criminal offence, a law that I believe will be enacted sometime in the late spring. According to my source, the British historian is ready to risk prison to confront Socialist backed French moves to outlaw Armenian genocide denial.

“This is a ridiculous and contemptible business – bad history and worse politics, ‘ he said.
“I would volunteer, myself, to provoke some trouble in France.”

What this seems to entail is giving a lecture in France after the legislation has been passed bringing into question the facts surrounding the Armenian massacres. Then going hot foot to the UK.

From there he will be liable to extradition under the European Arrest Warrant. The French authorities will apply for one, get it, send it to the UK authorities, who because they have signed up to the bloody thing, send the plod round to his door.

As is the tradition at 6 am, some size twelve boot will be applied to his door.

“Professor Stone?”
“Under the authority of the European Union I am arresting you.” Here our enterprising young plod (no doubt with armed back up) will wave a pair of handcuffs under the professor’s nose, for an offence that is not on British statute book and for which their is no Common Law criminal precedent. “I have to advise you that any statement you make will be translated into the 22 official languages of the European Union and you will be kept in a French prison until they can be bothered to hear your case.”

Or in the words of one EU Commission official asked about the case:

“Individuals who could be surrendered for denial offences that took place in another member state since racism and xenophobia is included in the list of offences mentioned by the European arrest warrant.”

There is one slightly interesting side to this though. If Turkey joins the EU then we will have the comedy situation that denial of the Armenian Holocaust is a criminal offence in France, whilst mentioning it is a criminal offence in Turkey. The happy result of this could be that the entire population of France could be lifted and placed, Midnight Express like in Turkish prisons. Of course the entire population of Turkey could then find itself extradited to France and imprisoned there.

Denial of State Sanctioned History & Science

Say it like it is.  It is not just genocide denial is is the denial of "State Sanctioned History".  There is nothing new about this.  The Catholic Church and european despots have been imposing their interpretation of science and jailing or murdering opposition for centuries.  Greece only legalized Paganism this year and still has blaspemy laws on the books that after often enforced.  "Holocaust" denial laws need to be put in the proper framework.

Question is who will enjoy better meals

I learned from some news report.. that Europeas and Americans are very nice in Jails...
espcially after a preassure from human right groups... so will Türk also enjoy those gravy full , tasty cheese breverage and friday special meals as in British Jails....

and will they also get those 3 star hotel facilities of matresses and Air-condition in French Jails like US provided to Guntamano prisoners....

What ever, i don't know about French peoples.... but if the facilities are as explained above... then türk will be the happy guys, who will enjoy happy meals everyday from french royal treasure...

\Akhmed... dear Just pass that cheese sandwitch please

Au Contraire MarcFrans

I completely oppose such legislation. If one collective wrongdoing becomes sacrosanct, it is a slippery slope towards a world in which all past victimhood and its useful corollaries of contemporary irresponsibility and entitlement are enshrined forever. Increasingly people and nations are no longer seeking the pride of overcoming challenges; success means cashing in on others' sympathy when in fact hardship is not exclusive to any one person or group.


I believe in challenging the Armenian, Congolese, Jewish, Polish, Ukrainian (by Stalin), Roma, Old Prussian, and Soviet genocides (by Hitler), etc., in an academic manner without any thought of impacting the present e.g. reparations, official blame (e.g. Versailles). If debating the Shoah is criminalised than so too must every genocide and democide, and in fact every crime ever committed in history; if the Armenian genocide is up for debate, than so too must those fatalities that occurred under Hitler's auspices.

no secret

Europe and the north American continent are both on a road to socialism / communism.  Freedom of speech is forbidden, the rights of man are denied. He lives as a slave and will be treated worse than stable droppings.  Your access to health care, education, food and water will be determined by your importance to the government.


Comedy = Tragedy

It may be "a comedy situation", from an academic perspective, the creation 'in law' of all these arbitrary thought crimes.   Yet, Kapitein Andre and his ilk on both the left and the right in Europe, will - I am sure - have no difficulty in 'rationalising' such arbitrariness and foolishness.

But, this "comedy situation" can only lead to "tragedy" in terms of the consequences for the further evolution of political systems in Europe, away from genuine freedom on the road to nondemocracy.