Jihad and the Collapse of the Swedish Model

I decided to write this essay following the riots in Malmö this weekend. Malmö is Sweden's third largest city and by far the worst city in Scandinavia when it comes to Muslim aggression. I read recently that an Arab girl interviewed in Malmö said that she liked it so much there, it felt almost like an Arab city. Native Swedes have been moving away from the city for years, turned into refugees in their own country by Jihad, not too different from the non-Muslims in some regions of the Philippines, southern Thailand or Kashmir in India, or for that matter Christian Serbs in Kosovo.

Sweden was presented during the Cold War as a middle way between capitalism and Communism. When this model of a society collapses – and it will collapse, under the combined forces of Islamic Jihad, the European Union, Multiculturalism and ideological overstretch – it is thus not just the Swedish state that will collapse but the symbol of Sweden, the showcase of an entire ideological world view. I wrote two years ago that if the trend isn't stopped, the Swedish nation will simply cease to exist in any meaningful way during the first half of this century. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe, and the “Swedish model” will be one of warning against ideological madness, not one of admiration. I still fear I was right in that assessment.

Jonathan Friedman, an American living outside Malmö, mentions that the so-called Integration Act of 1997 proclaimed that “Sweden is a Multicultural society.” Notes to the Act also stated that “Since a large group of people have their origins in another country, the Swedish population lacks a common history. The relationship to Sweden and the support given to the fundamental values of society thus carry greater significance for integration than a common historical origin.”

Native Swedes have thus been reduced to just another ethnic group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Kurds or the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. The political authorities of the country have erased their own people's history and culture.

Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”

This is a government that knows perfectly well that their people will become a minority in their own country, yet is doing nothing to stop this. On the contrary. Pierre Schori, Minister for immigration, during a parliamentary debate in 1997 said that: “Racism and xenophobia should be banned and chased [away],” and that one should not accept “excuses, such as that there were flaws in the immigration and refugee policies.”

In other words: It should be viewed as a crime for the native population not to assist in wiping themselves out.

Orback's attitude is what follows once you declare that culture is irrelevant. Our culture, even though we try to forget it, is steeped in a Judeo-Christian morality based on the Golden Rule of reciprocity: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” (Luke 6:31)

Muslims, on the other hand, are steeped in an Islamic tradition based on Muslim supremacy. Muslims view lack of force as a sign of weakness, and they despise weakness, which is precisely why Adolf Hitler stated his admiration for Islam, and thought it would be a better match for Nazism than Christianity, with its childish notions of compassion.

A Swedish man was nearly killed for the crime of wearing clothes with his own national flag while Sweden was participating in the 2006 football World Cup. Some “Multicultural youths” found this to be an intolerable provocation, and the 24-year-old man was run down by a car in Malmö, where Muhammad is becoming the most common name for newborn boys.

Feriz and Pajtim, members of Gangsta Albanian Thug Unit in Malmö, explain how they mug people downtown. They target a lone victim. “We surround him and beat and kick him until he no longer fights back,” Feriz said. “You are always many more people than your victims. Cowardly?” “I have heard that from many, but I disagree. The whole point is that they're not supposed to have a chance.” They didn't express any sympathy for their victims. "If they get injured, they just have themselves to blame for being weak," said Pajtim and shrugged.

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant background in interviews with Petra Åkesson. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you're robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you've succeeded, it simply feels good.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to. The Swedes don't do anything, they just give us the stuff. They're so wimpy.”

Exit Folkhemssverige - En samhällsmodells sönderfall” (Exit the People's Home of Sweden - The Downfall of a Model of Society) is a book from 2005 about immigration and the Swedish welfare state model dubbed “the people's home,” written by Jonathan Friedman, Ingrid Björkman, Jan Elfverson and Åke Wedin. According to them, the Swedish Multicultural elites see themselves first of all as citizens of the world. In order to emphasize and accentuate diversity, everything Swedish is deliberately disparaged. Opposition to this policy is considered a form of racism:

“The dominant ideology in Sweden, which has been made dominant by powerful methods of silencing and repression, is a totalitarian ideology, where the elites oppose the national aspect of the nation state. The problem is that the ethnic group that are described as Swedes implicitly are considered to be nationalists, and thereby are viewed as racists.”

The authors fear that the handling of the immigration policies has seriously eroded democracy because the citizens lose their loyalty towards a state they no longer consider their own. “Instead of increasing the active participation of citizens, the government has placed clear restrictions on freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of congregation.”

Mona Sahlin has held various posts in Social Democratic cabinets, among others as Minister for Democracy, Integration and Gender Equality. Sahlin has said that many Swedes are envious of immigrants because they, unlike the Swedes, have a culture, a history, something which ties them together. Notice how Swedish authorities first formally state that Swedes don't have a history or a culture, and then proceed to lament the fact that Swedes don't have a history or a culture. A neat trick.

Sahlin has also stated that: “If two equally qualified persons apply for a job at a workplace with few immigrants, the one called Muhammad should get the job. […] It should be considered an asset to have an ethnic background different from the Swedish one.” In 2004, she was quoted as saying that “A concerted effort that aims at educating Swedes that immigrants are a blessing to their country must be pursued,” stressing that her compatriots must accept that the new society is Multicultural. “Like it or not, this is the new Sweden.”

Mona Sahlin was elected leader of the Social Democratic Party, as thus a future contender for the post of Swedish Prime Minister, in 2007.

Why does the government dispense with the social contract and attack its own people like this? Well, for starters, because it can. Sweden is currently arguably the most politically repressive and totalitarian country in the Western world. It also has the highest tax rates. That could be a a coincidence, but I'm not sure that it is. The state has become so large and powerful that is has become an autonomous organism with a will of its own. The people are there to serve the state, not vice versa. And because state power penetrates every single corner of society, including the media, there are no places left to mount a defense if the state decides to attack you.

It has been said jokingly that while other countries are states with armies, Pakistan is an army with a state. Likewise, it could be argued that Sweden started out being a nation with a bureaucracy and ended up being a bureaucracy with a nation. In fact, the bureaucracy formally abolished the very nation it was supposed to serve. Its representatives are no longer leaders of a people, but caretakers preoccupied only with advancing their own careers through oiling and upholding, if possible expanding, the bureaucratic machinery.

Swedes pay the highest tax rates of any (supposedly) free nation, and for this they get flawed social security, non-existent physical security and a state apparatus dedicated to their destruction.

Anna Ekelund in the newspaper Aftonbladet writes that: “We are a people who allow ourselves to be insulted by the government on a daily basis. We are not expected to be capable of thinking for ourselves, of deciding what we will read, or managing our own money. […] Swedes are as co-dependent as an alcoholic's wife. Yet we do not hurry to the ballot box to remove the prevailing systems. Not because we don't want to but because too many of us have painted ourselves into their corners.”

Moreover, Swedes are keenly aware of the fact that their country is viewed by many outsiders as a “model society.” Sweden is a deeply ideological state dedicated to imposing a certain world view on its citizens, and because the state is ideological, dissenters are quite literally treated as enemies of the state.

In the book The New Totalitarians, the British historian Roland Huntford in the early 1970s pointed out that it was easier to establish the Fascist model of the corporate state in Sweden than in Mussolini's Italy for cultural reasons, since Sweden had a centralized bureaucracy whereas Italians are skeptical of state authority. Put simply: Swedes have tended to trust their bureaucrats, which no Italian in his right mind would ever do.

According to him, “The Swedes have a horror of controversy as something unpleasant, inefficient and vaguely immoral. They require for peace of mind, not confrontation, but consensus. Consensus guides everything: private conversation, intellectual life and the running of the State.”

The then Minister of Education, Mr. Ingvar Carlsson, defined the purpose of schooling: “It is to produce a well adjusted, good member of society. It teaches people to respect the consensus, and not to sabotage it” He also on one occasion said that “School is the spearhead of Socialism.” Mr. Carlsson was Swedish Prime Minister as late as 1996.

Mr. Carlsson's mentor in the Social Democratic Party and predecessor as Swedish Prime Minister (1969 to 1986), Mr. Olof Palme, openly flaunted his disregard, if not contempt for, Western civilization: “The Renaissance so-called? Western culture? What does it mean to us?” Under the watchful eye of the Labor movement, Swedish education has for decades mounted deliberate attacks on Western culture, making it look suspect.

According to Mr. Huntford, “When the Swedes change ideas, they do it to the full, leaving no room for criticism or reservation. The country lacks intellectual defences; anything new will conquer without resistance being offered.” The consensus “assumes that technological advancement is the sole path to happiness, and the Gross National Product the only measure of national success. It also assumes that the good of the collective at all times must take precedence over the good of the individual. It prescribes that the fundamentals of Swedish society must never be questioned or discussed.”

This is how Mrs Maj Bossom-Nordboe, then departmental chief of at the Directorate of Schools, expressed it: “It's useless to build up individuality, because unless people learned to adapt themselves to society, they would be unhappy. Liberty is not emphasized. Instead, we talk about the freedom to give up freedom. The accent is on the social function of children, and I will not deny that we emphasize the collective.”

Roland Huntford ended his book with a warning that this system of soft-totalitarianism could be exported to other countries. He has been proven right since:

“The Swedes have demonstrated how present techniques can be applied in ideal conditions. Sweden is a control experiment on an isolated and sterilized subject. Pioneers in the new totalitarianism, the Swedes are a warning of what probably lies in store for the rest of us, unless we take care to resist control and centralization, and unless we remember that politics are not to be delegated, but are the concern of the individual. The new totalitarians, dealing in persuasion and manipulation, must be more efficient than the old, who depended upon force.”

Following the September 2006 elections, Fredrik Reinfeldt became Prime Minister of Sweden, presiding over a center-right coalition government. This is, in my view, positive. Sweden has been described by some as a “one-party state,” since the Social Democrats have been in power for 65 of the last 74 years. However, the differences between the left-wing and the right-wing in Sweden are not always that big.

The last time these parties were in power, under the leadership of PM Carl Bildt from 1991 to 94, they presided over massive immigration, and have not been vocal in their opposition to the Multicultural policies since. The new Foreign Minister Bildt as a UN Commissioner to the Balkans called for recognizing Islam as a part of European culture.

PM Reinfeldt has stated that the original Swedish culture was merely barbarism: “It can sometimes be good to humbly remind of the fact that a great deal of what constitutes Sweden has been created in [a process of] evolution, exactly because we have been open to accept other people and experiences.”

Reinfeldt said this following a visit to an area called Ronna in Södertälje, near Stockholm. One year earlier a police station in Södertälje was hit by shots from an automatic weapon following a major confrontation between immigrant youths and police. The trouble in Ronna started after a Swedish girl had been called a “whore” and reacted to this. Ethnologist Maria Bäckman, in her study “Whiteness and gender,” has followed a group of Swedish girls in the immigrant suburb of Rinkeby outside Stockholm. Bäckman relates that several of the blond Swedish girls stated that they had dyed their hair to avoid sexual harassment.

I have called Sweden a soft-totalitarian country, but I am sometimes not so sure about the “soft” part. Opinion polls have revealed that two out of three Swedes doubt whether Islam can be combined with Swedish society, and a very significant proportion of the population have for years wanted more limitations on immigration. Yet not one party represented in Parliament is genuinely critical of the Multicultural society.

Is it just a coincidence that the one country on the European continent that has avoided war for the longest period of time, Sweden, is also arguably the one Western nation where Political Correctness has reached the worst heights? Maybe the prolonged period of peace has created an environment where layers of ideological nonsense have been allowed to pile up for generations without stop. I don't know what Sweden will look like a generation from now, but I'm pretty sure it won't be viewed as a model society. And if the absence of war is one of the causes of its current weakness, I fear that is a problem that will soon be cured.

A Solution?

Though Islam differs by sect and ethnicity, Sunni Arab extremists from the Arabian Peninsula are quite willing to assist their co-religionists overseas in Pakistan and Afghanistan (against the Soviet Union and the United States), the Philippines, Bosnia-Herzegovina (against the Serbs), Palestine, Somalia, etc. Al-Qaeda may turn a blind eye to the murder, rape and torture of Uighurs by the Han Chinese because they require Chinese arms and munitions, however, it largely sees itself as the protector of the entire global Islamic community or ummah.


While Westerners increasingly regard themselves as individual "citizens of the world," Muslims and other Third World immigrants think and act as groups: from moving into a neighborhood en masse to assaulting a lone White woman. This situation demands that Westerners seek security in numbers; moreover, there should be some private organisation established with the aim of "assisting" fellow Westerners wherever their communities are under siege, one that can field privately trained paramilitaries and provide them with funding, food, shelter and weapons on their "assignments." Furthermore, the systematic deconstruction of European nation-states demands that a new leadership be "waiting in the wings" to prevent the utter chaos that seems at this point inevitable.


Obviously such an organisation would have to be secret and efficient, because Western states cannot be trusted to not attack it...

We don't care about islam

I don't understand the preoccupation with islam. Islam is making progress in Europe thanks only to the population replacement. Therefore, everyone should be shocked at the islamization of Europe because it makes us realize that Europe is being destroyed and replaced with something else. But who wants to know about the religious beliefs of immigrants? It is none of our business. We are not interested!

Leonum: "An immigrant killing a swedish boy was fined 1800 kr "
--> Unless it was an accidental homicide, it doesn't sound believable.

Believable or not it's true.

Believable or not it's true. And it was hardly an accident, I don't remember but he was either beaten or stabbed to death.

Another case - the most brutal I have ever heard of - , an immigrant gang (10 people) attacked a young helpless Swedish boy, they had different weapons such as planks. They beat him brutaly by hitting him in the head with a plank repeatedly in his head untill he didn't move anymore. Some of the gang later returned to the young boy (still alive) they jumped on his head and neck, stabbed him four times in his back (made the blade broke) then one of the immigrants took what was left of the knife and cuts the boy's troath after which he soon dies. Of ten, seven were convicted, six for assault or heavy assault and one for murder. The punishment they recieved was fines and community service.

fines and community service.

The only thing more unbelievable than the stories you keep relating is the fact that the Swedish people have not risen up in rightous anger.

Frankly (and no offence meant) I cannot believe these stories are as you have related them and that I have heard so little about them or their repercussions. I hear plenty of stories about incidents in England and France. Are these stories suppressed by your press? When judges give crazy sentences as you have described in the US, there is a huge national outcry and usuallya quick reversal of the ruling.

The media..

is not objective, it is perhaps more politically correct than the politicians! They would never make a frontpage with headlines such "Immigrantgang killed helpless ethnic Swedish boy". But they are gladly writing about how discriminating the immigrants feel after a survey how high the unemployment is among immigrants. This cover-up by the media has made people believe that it isn't widely spread.

But the Swedish people are on the uprising. The nationalist organisations get more and more members and sympathizers, people don't fall for the cover-ups anymore, they have seen to much for themselves. People are fed up with the rapes of young girls at schools and etc and that they are beeing told it's their fault because of their racism.

The reason why the Swedes havn't gone out demonstrating their anger is because it isn't our nature to do so. We are raised with the believes that the state will take care of us and that the state have always right and etc but that has faded away because of the state's and media's lack of connection to the reality.

Riots are coming.


You talk a good game, but if one looks at the Statistics Sweden web site figures I cited below, immigration and naturalization of Muslim immigrants is increasing, and increasing dramatically. The Islamification is accelerating. If you're going to rise up, you'd better do it fast because it's hard to see how a bunch of geriatric Swedes are going to "rise up" out of their wheelchairs and confront hordes of well-armed and well-trained Jihadi youths. When the Saudi and Gulf billionairs see that an Islamic takeover of Sweden is within reach, money will flow toward Swedish mosques and youthful Swedish Muslims will flow toward Pakistani training camps.

If something dramatic isn't done in the next 10 years, you will have passed the point of no return. Do you really want your children to face a lifetime of war and Jihadi terror? Believe me, you will do what 10's of thousands of Swedes are doing every year: packing up and leaving. Why? Swedes are not Israelis (who are really not what Israelis once were). They don't have the stomach for this fight, a fight to which the Islamists look forward with great relish.


are bad I know but we are still a majority and we won't let ourselves become a minority and to be ruled by foreigners. About if we have what it takes to deal with this problem, I'm sure we have. The nationalist organizations are consistently beeing attacked by left-wing radicalists, they often attack single unprepared members. I heard of one incident where a nationalist was attacked by 10 radicalists armed with bottles and such. They couldn't even get him down on the ground! He chased them of! That's Swedish moral and courage! About the immigrants, they don't even dare to face nationalists because they actually fight back. They only attack single younger boys and rape the girls.

About the well-trained part. They are losers, they know nothing, they fight for nothing. Sure, they might have experience by fighting all day but they don't fight well. I mean if you need to attack a single youth in a group, then they must know they are weak.


As I said, your odds shrink daily. Sorry to say, but the violence seems uni-directional in favor of the Muslim conquest. As we see every couple of months, they test the system and the Swedish authorities come up wanting. They commit brazen and violent crimes and laugh when nothing is done. Their gangs conduct criminal activity without impediment. To them, the Swedish state is a joke, a cow to be milked until the eventual slaughter.

When I see open street battles and the Muslim population fleeing across the border into neighboring countries, I will be convinced. When I see flights from Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan canceled, I will be convinced.

The Muslim youth may not be professional Jihadists now, but some will get training abroad. Others will pursue a political path. They realize time is on their side.

One other thing: as all those Swedish computer programmers, medical researchers, designers, and engineers continue to flee to Australia or the UK or the US, where they are in great demand, your prospects decline. In the end, the Swedish "resistance" will consist of pensioners, useless bureaucrats, blubbering leftist university professors, and unemployed freeloaders. Good luck in your fight with that crew.

Don't see any point to

Don't see any point to continue this discussion (though it has been a good one) because that we have our opinions and we won't change them. We have stated our points more than enough.

Jihad and the Collapse of the Swedish Model

I am getting sick and tired of reading such articles.

 Sweden is a democracy, and if a majority of the Swedes want to holocaust themselves, so what ? It is their goddamned right.

 Same goes for the rest of Europeans.

 Wie vertaalt er  het "Ons Moet Weg" in het Engels ?

" We should be extinct" or something ?

" Us gotta go" ?


Why do you believe Sweden is a democracy? I'm having hard to believe so, atleast a true democracy.

People with politically incorrect opinions are beeing oppressed and jailed without any proof or reason other than some silly statement, like Björn Björkkvist's "I don't think I'm alone feeling miserable when I read about how Swedish girls have been raped by immigranthordes", he got two months in jail.

This statement is legal though, "We rape their [the Swede's] children. Of couse, help your self, they enjoy it actually". Mikael Alonzo, the one who said it is in fact hired by the state and are the president in "youth against rascism" and is supposed to teach the Swedes not to be so rascists! He has also said "You [Swedes] shall witness a terror which will terrify you and you shall witness more than death", also a legal statement.

An immigrant killing a swedish boy was fined 1800 kr = about 180 euros. Numerous cases of immigrant gangs which murdered young alone Swedes are often sentenced to community service if sentenced at all, because of their age. I Swede killing an immigrant in self-defence after beeing attacked by a gang and his girlfriend grabbed by the troath was convicted to nine years in prison!

Tell me the democracy!

Take back the media

"an ethnic battle between Swedes and the immigrants "

I think we simply need to kick the far-left minority out of the European media and governments. After that, we can repatriate immigrants peacefully to their home countries and we will help them resettle.

Sweden's fate

The Swedish government's own statistics on the page I cited show AT LEAST 7% increase in Muslim share of the population every decade (in fact, due to higher birth rates, it's probably more like 8% or 9%). Please see for yourself. The Swedish government dosen't try to hide the fact that a SPRINT toward Islamification is underway.

No amount of breast-beating, whining, complaining, or elaborate talk of sending immigrants back is going to make any damn bit of difference. If you're Swedish, and particularly if you have young children, it's all over and you must have a plan B (ie, emigration distination) in the bag and ready to go. For the sake of your children, please be realistic and plan ahead.

The idea that if you're nice to Muslims now they'll be nice to you in the future is the blubbering of a fool. Anyone who has studied Islam knows that the treatment of non-Muslims is clearly outlined in the Quran and more authoritative hadith. Nothing non-Muslims do or say is going to make any difference. This is pure self-delusion on the part of non-Muslims.

Sweden's fate - to Sonomaca

And I strongly disagree with Sonomaca's conclusions of the Sweden's fate. Free people will always win. The only real strength today's Islam has is the tolerance and the lack of will in the West. This will change, even if there are less young people in the Western camp.

So giving up

is all we should do? I disagree. We simply need to stop the immigration, send people, who doesn't have any reasons for beeing here, home. We need to make Sweden a nation again where people can feel safe. Not doing anything is the worst we can do. A lot of changes must be made for this to be able to happen. The next step, after doing the things above, is to leave the EU. ALl that follows with EU is downsides (maybe except some economical treaties - but we don't need to give up our sovereignity for them).

If you would be in the same situation, sonomaca, would you rather burn your constitution than defending it with your life? It's more or less the same, we need to fight for the foundations our democracy and sovereignity are built on.

Don't you believe there is a way we can turn this society right again? If your answer is no, well then say goodbye to all of Europe (all West as well). We all have the same problems, Sweden is just ahead of everyone else.

Death of Sweden

Leonum (and others): (2-1.2)/2=.4=40% decline per generation. But the problem is much worse than even that number suggests because of the continual shift of the average age of ethnic Swedes. The percentage decline will increase because less people are even able to have children. Furthermore, the older people need the social services provided by the younger. How many male Muslim doctors will treat old Swedish ladies? etc.

Furthermore, any idea such as cutting off immigration will not work because it will directly decrease the economic output of the workforce. How would Sweden fare under a 10% (rough guess) per year average reduction in production? In fact once, this would start, emigration of younger people will explode as will the annual production rate.

Perhaps Sweden could actively recruit workers from non-muslim societies--but this seems doubtful.

It seems the country is doomed--with certainty. I am amazed, nonetheless, by the quote from Armor about being nice to the Muslims because they will soon be the majority. Fat chance! That politician is already a Dhimmi. You are not going to turn Islam around in a few decades. Muslims will create a muslim society in Sweden not too dissimilar to exists in muslim countries today. Kissing in public gets you stoned to death.

I just read that one Taliban group forbids the serving of tomatos with cucumbers because the two vegetables are of different genders! Do Swedes like to kiss in public? Do they like tomatos with cucumber as a salad?

demographic transformation...

Sagredo, of course it's not the immigration that is the problem but the demographic transformation it causes. Many immigrants come here as 18+ or so which means they are meant to work immediate, but a majority of all immigrants don't work. We could easily function without them. It's a myth that we need people for labor. If we do need more for labor in the future then make people feel safe so they feel comfortable having kids.

The Swedish society today is sick. Elderly immigrants get more money than Swedish pensioners who have worked all their lives paying taxes. The elderly immigrants have right to personell from their own culture and who talks their language. Swedish pensioners must take the personell given to them. Schools with a large amount immigrants get double the resources and teachers plus many of the immigrants live on contributions from the state, while people who work, or alone mothers with kids have no money to live a decent life with.

People confusing me is the feminists, they claim Sweden don't let women in the labor market, they get lower salaries etc. But when it comes to Islam and Muslims they are quiet, we have rapes in schools but I have never heard them condemn these acts! Never even commented them in media! Sick sick sick!

Low enough birthrate cannot be reversed.

Leonum: With a birthrate of 1.2 per woman, it is certain that ethnic population falls dramatically and population ages and Sweden must have immigrants to fill the gap which otherwise opens with mathematical certainty. This is not to say that you could not do well with less immigrants. But you need some. How can you say "It's a myth that we need people for labor." Who labors if not people?

Furthermore, I doubt very much that ethnic Swedes are having less children because they feel unsafe. A reduction in birthrate has occurred so far in all societies in which the standard of living has increased. Historically, it is known that all peoples with Sweden's birthrate have disappeared--the declines have been irreversible.

You cannot blame leftists or elitists for your low birthrate--you can blame them for making the inevitable come much more quickly.

Nor can anyone blame 'globalization'. In the U.S. at least, globalization is not associated with free immigration. In fact, in the long term it decreases the need for people to go elsewhere to earn a decent standard of living.

Swedish society as you and others have described it is indeed sick...and it makes me very sad to hear about it!

Why can't...

To Sagredo.

Why can't feeling unsafe have something to do with low birthrate? Would you want to have kids when they risk getting robbed, beaten, murdered and raped? It is stated that multicultural societys have a larger amount of criminality. In Sweden we had never heard of such thing like gangrape. We had a secure society, following the fellowship of the people.

Of course every state needs labor. But how can you say we need labor when up to 1 000 000 citizens in Sweden doesn't work or can work more than they are doing now? How would any supposed need for labor be sovled by having labor-immigration when they who work cost more than they who don't? It's the ethnic Swedes that pays for everything.

You say: "A reduction in birthrate has occurred so far in all societies in which the standard of living has increased." Yes it's true but it can't be said it must happen! Another problem is that women now think on having a career. This makes them wait having children and then it might be to late. We need to change this, we need to change the view on what success is today because it's not right. Who cares about a career if it means you must give up your chance to have a baby? To be successful means (for me) that you raise a successful child, to be proud of.

If we let people spend time on their children more people would enjoy it. Instead of leaving it to some strangers you could see your child grow up, which many parents today don't, they are busy working.

The globalization (maybe the wrong expression) I'm talking about is the peoples globalization. It's like if there is some kind of goal to make us all disconnected with everything we feel connected to, our history, culture and etc. A feeling that we don't really belong to a certain place.

It is interesting

It is interesting to read the points you both make, but it appears that Europe will not do much yet anyways. I agree with Leonum that at the end of the day the line will be drawn and in my opinion, first it will happen in the most tolerant countries of the Western World -Sweden, Netherlands...Why it will happen? It is impossible to hide what is in one’s heart for ever and when Muslim population will increase to the point where they'll feel fully confident to express what they really want - that is Islam uberalles- it will become so obvious to everybody that there will be no way any longer to pretend that that is not a case . One might say, it will be too late. I don’t think so; it will be ugly and bloody, but not too late.

immigrationist fanaticism

Leonum: "What I wanted to say was that they have already decided their immigration policy whatever the cost or downsides may be."

This is a case of fanaticism. I looked up the word fanaticism on wikipedia, and here is what I got: "According to philosopher George Santayana, «Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim»."
In the present case, it is even worse. Supporters of third world immigration have never had a real aim. They know all their arguments are flawed, and they know they are destroying society. They take a morbid pleasure in attacking dissenters, and they want to pursue their crazy policies to the bitter end.

us and them

Fjordman: Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”

A politically correct minister should make no distinction between "us" and "them" !
But it is safe to say that some of us face a dire future at the hands of some of us.


If it were not stupidity, what could it be? idealism?


Maybe it's ignorance of what's going on around them. What happened to the sense of self-preservation? 

Statistics Sweden

They provide detailed info on immigrants/emigrants, although it's impossible to know if they are alterning the figures.  In any case, there were about 30,000 legal Muslim migrants to Sweden in 2006 by my rough count.  I would think there are more illegal migrants.  So, let's say 35,000.  From another database, we can glean that about 26,000 "foreign" Muslims became Swedish citizens.  That's around 60,000 per year or 600,000 every decade plus some number of children.  Let's say births exceed deaths by about 20,000 to be conservative.  So, that's 620,000 or about 7% of Sweden's current population. 

We do not know how many Muslims currently reside in Sweden, but 6% seems a conservative figure.  So, two decades from now, Sweden's Muslim population will be around 20%.  By mid-century, it's likely to be in the 35 to 40% range, although I don't account for higher Muslim TFR's.   If these are closer to 3 than 2, Sweden will likely be close to a majority Muslim country by mid-century.  If "ethnic" Swedish outward migration continues or accelerates, it will be a majority Muslim country by mid-century.


political correctness "rules"...

Sonomaca, I don't know about those numbers but I dont doubt them!

The average Swedish woman give birth to 1,2 children = enourmous decrease (40% each generation?) of the ethnic Swedes (someone said the UN had done a report about this and that in 200 years the nordic people more or less would have vanished, not extinguished but our distinctive looks as blonde hair, blue eyes etc would be gone - so more or less extinguished according to me. 200 years for the Finnish people, even less for the Swedes!)

We are literally beeing replaced by immigrants! All of this could be prevented. For one example by stopping the immigration we would get rid of a lot of the criminality and people would feel much safer (it's a fact that immigrants target Swedes) and get more kids (everyone wants kids!). But we must also get rid of the enourmous State aparatus, which gives itself a role to decide about family matters.

I believe that now 74.5% of Swedens population are ethnic Swedes, 12,5% are people which have atleast one swedish born parent (not necessary an ethnic Swede) and 13% are people born abroad.

logicalman, I suggest you read Fjordmans The Eurabia Code. I believe something like that could be the answer to the islamicization of the West!

Hitech, you are right. The politically correctness "rules" politics in Sweden. Everything must be politically correct or else you are "discriminating" someone or is a rascist, you commit political suicide. This is a problem! The politics (with no connection to the reality) can't feel anything but happiness when they kiss Muhammed's shoes.

About George Jones "Reflections on Islam" it seems to perfectly fit the description of the Swedish society today. We legislate against negative oppinions, (to be politically incorrect in Sweden gives you harder punishment than if you in group would rape a 12-year old ethic Swedish girl - I can't say anything about a forein girl because I don't no any such case!)


My numbers are gleaned (in estimate form) from the tables provided by Statistics Sweden, so these figures come from the Swedish government. They can't be exact, of course, but I tallied up the numbers from Muslim countries (Iraq, Iran, Somalia), and assumed that most were Muslim. Countries where only some might be Muslim (like Bosnia), I counted only 50%. Someone could do a more thorough job than me, but my figures are a good estimate.

Statistics Sweden Population Page

If ethnic Swedish TFR's are really 1.2, and Muslim are even double that, Sweden will be Muslim sooner than 2050, perhaps 2040. More importantly, the ethnic Swedish population will be much older than the Muslim population.

As I looked over the Statistics Sweden tables, it becomes clear that the vast majority of immigrants are Muslims. Unlike in Spain, where larges numbers of Christians from Latin America have immigrated, Sweden brings in a very small number of non-Muslims.

It's all going to end badly for ethnic Swedes.

My suggestion: why not relocate to the Baltic states, which do not have a big Muslim population and where the ethnic peoples are rapidly breeding themselves out of existance.

The one thing I would not do is pay incredibly high taxes which are used to fund the destruction of my country. Australia is still a somewhat sane country. That might be a decent place to go. Finland has avoided massive Muslim immigration (so far). I would avoid Canada. It's North America's verison of Sweden. It's tough to get to the US, which is about to go down the European road to destruction in any case.


Move to the Baltics? No thanks. Only cowards flee!

The Swedes must eventually take a stand. Fight for our right to our soil and our right to exist. That time will come and everyone must chose their side and one side will lose. Then there will be no compromises.

The outcome of an ethnic battle between Swedes and the immigrants standing against us is for me very clear. We have something to fight for. They are simply the first wave of an invasionforce.

People must just realize that we are under occupation and we need to defend ourself and throw them out.

It's looking bad almost all over the Western world. It comes with the globalization. I don't really understand the point with it. Isn't it enough with free movement for goods and kapital and such? Why include people? It only eradicates our nation states which lay the foundation for democracy. With these stupid ideas we are moving back in time not forward!

which other party ? = for cultural diversity !

Is that irony perhaps, Armor?

Well, I will answer it in case it is a question.

The problem in Sweden is that there haven't been any discussion about the immigration policy. Why? Because all major partys are for cultural diversity, even though the people don't agree. Why didn't the people vote for another party? Well, there were no alternatives.

Finally, after that the swedishdemocrats (the first party openly criticizing the current immigration policy) became a real option and gained many votes it practically, more or less, forced the establishment to take the debate.

The answer is that all major partys in the Swedish parliament are for cultural diversity. And they defend their point of view really brutal if I may say! Their opponents are beeing called rascists etc and they claim that the opponents also entirely blaim all the society's faults on the immigrants. They are simply trying to make them look like fools talking crap.

Excuse me that I write a lot which doesn't really seem to relate to the question but for me all is related.

Diversity as a Cause

The answer to my question about what underlies Sweden apparent self-destruction is, it seems according to the replies given, the quest for diversity!?

Sorry, but I do not buy that. The U.S. is a model of diversity; it has never felt the need to cut its own throat and disinherit itself to attain this. The generator of American patriotism has been exactly the ideals written in the Declaration of Independence and the fact that, with certain exceptions known to everyone, that ideal has been followed and has led to a good life for millions of 2nd or 3rd generation people whose immigrant forebears were oppressed in their native lands both in Europe and in Asia.

I suppose there is no ideal of what it means to be a Swede. In fact, there is no accepted ideal of a European, except of course, contempt for the Americans.

But I do not feel that ideals or their lack can explain the self-destruction the Swedes, and I take it the other West European nations, are visiting upon themselves. That is not realistic. Nor do I suppose Swedes are too stupid to see what is happening, or too cowardly to protect themselves.

Sometimes, therefor, I wonder if the situation in Sweden as portrayed here, and in Europe as portrayed in other blogs, is really as dire as it is made out to be.

what underlies Sweden apparent self-destruction

Hitech, are you asking what happened with the courageous and fearless part of the Swedes, our will to act?

Well, 200 years of peace does things to a people.

There are people willing to sacrifice everything to regain Sweden as it "was", but the media's controll over what the people sees on the news etc is almost total. Therefore a lot of Swedes doesn't get the whole picture. They then feel as I wrote before "it doesn't concern me anyway".

Sagredo, I believe you can't compare The U.S. and nation states when it comes to immigration and it's consequenses. When it's about what underlies Swedens (politicians will of) self-destruction it's hard for any reasonable mind to understand. One teori could be that it is a planned social alteration for political gains, I suggests you read Fjordmans The Eurabia Code, if you haven't already.

It is worse than stupidity

Leonum , I believe Swedes are good descent people. That is a part of the issue. It is probably hard to imagine, living in Sweden and being a Swede, how much hatred and evil other people carry in their harts, therefore - denial of evil by most Swedes, plus as you alluded to, it is much easier and more convenient that way. And I believe that the real problem is elite (political and academic as described in this article), which gets up in the morning and cannot stop admiring themselves how good and compassionate they are. In reality they are simply self-indulgent, narcistic, feeble minded people. The whole thing might lead to the real fascism, since there is no normal leadership. And in the mean time, as George Jonas writes it in his book "Reflections on Islam"- "...we all tiptoing around the sensibilities of medieval fanatics, we take pains not to offend ululating fossils who cheer suiside bombers,stone their loved ones for sexual missteps.. we pussyfoot to protect the delicate psyche of people who amputate hands of petty thieves, issue fatwas on novelilsts and cover up their hapless wives and sisters to the eyeballs" ...We all deserve what we get in such case, of course future generations -do not.

We simply have no reason for

We simply have no reason for this immigration (96 800 arrived in 2006). To explain, I can tell you how the established partys tell the Swedish people about why we need the immigration and then how it really is.

The socialdemocrats say we need to help the refugees coming here. And of course we should! But less than 5% of all immigrants coming are real refugees. And we could help a lot more people if we helped them in the area near them instead of bringing them all the way to Sweden. Mona Sahlin also repeat the word solidarity and our obligation to help others. But how is it solidarity to those tens of others we could have helped instead of one in Sweden?

Moderaterna (largest right party) say we need them for labor. But we already have a huge amount of people outside the labor market waiting for jobs today. Most immigrants also comes from regions where their education doesn't fit the demands in our country. Therefore we must educate them again and then you more or less lose the point with it.

What I wanted to say was that they have already decided their immigration policy whatever the cost or downsides may be. What seperates them is simply their explanaiton why we need it.

I don't know why people don't do anything about it. Perhaps because of the risk of beeing called rascist etc (the common strategi of the establishment - politicians and media) and the consequenses that might follow. But I belive it mostly depends on a passivity from the people, feeling "it doesn't concern me anyway".

Sagredo, you wrote "Europe started commiting suicide in 1914 and finished in 1945". On the contrary it is now, when Europe are mocking it's own cultures, history and even values and replaces it with Islam, Europe commits suicide!

Jihad and the Collapse of the Swedish Model

If the Bureaucrats who are supporting the immigration and (non)naturalization policy were themselves put out of a job by, for example, the hire-the-immigrant-first rule Ms Sahlin advocates, I believe they would change their views very rapidly. This essay and the many others I have read do not really explain why Swedes hold to this policy. The explanation you put forward will not hold water when people are put out of their jobs, when enough of them get robbed and raped. I think the underlying reason must be the same the reason so mny Mexican have been allowed to illegaly enter the US--their labor is needed. Europeans have the added problem that Muslims are antagonistic to European-Christian society whereas this is not true of the Catholic Mexicans. Europe started commiting suicide in 1914 and finished in 1945.