Hippocratic Oath and a Lot of Hypocrisy
From the desk of Filip van Laenen on Tue, 2007-07-03 22:44
There has been some debate in the media about the fact that many of the suspects involved in the car bombs in London and Glasgow last week are physicians. Are they not bound by the Hippocratic Oath., which states that a physician may not harm? But does such an oath really matter for terrorists? And what's the Hippocratic Oath worth anyway, especially in the West?
Let's start with the terrorists: why shouldn't they plan or carry out a car bomb attack in Great-Britain, or Iraq for that matter, just because they're physicians who have taken the Hippocratic Oath? I'm a civil engineer, and I never got the impression at university that it would be OK for me to harm people as part of my job, on the contrary. Furthermore, the Hippocratic Oath never stopped the development of biological or chemical arms, even though I'm sure many medical doctors were (and probably still are) involved. Not to mention Josef Mengele, who took the Hippocratic Oath too, just as well as Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaeda's No. 2, George Habash of the PLO and Mahmoud al-Zahar, the Hamas strongman in Gaza, as Thomas Wagner from Associated Press points out.
That so many people are puzzled by the fact that many of the suspects were physicians who had sworn to harm no-one says more about the people who are puzzled than the suspects. It seems that some people still don't understand, even after 11 September 2001 in New York, 11 March 2004 in Madrid and 7 July 2005 in London. There is a war going on, and contrary to what some people in the media want us to believe, it was not the West that started it. In fact, being a physician is just an easy ticket in if you want to enter the United Kingdom. The following quote from The Sun sums it up quite well:
It was a perfect cover. Who could possibly suspect a doctor of wanting to inflict death and injury on innocent people?
My guess: the Israeli's could,and probably would too. Actually, it's a lesson they learned years ago, and maybe we should start learning from them instead of blaming them for almost everything that's going wrong in the Middle East.
Finally, how much is the Hippocratic Oath still worth in the Western world anyway? The oath explicitly bans both euthanasia and abortion, but references to it aren't even accepted in modern debates about those two issues. In Belgium, for example, physicians are still allowed to refuse to perform abortion or euthanasia on moral grounds, at least for the time being. The Belgian government has not really appreciated those difficult physicians very much. Marc Cosyns, the doctor who announced last week that he is planning to perform euthanasia illegally to reopen the debate, has not been confronted with his Hippocratic Oath at all. If that isn't in conflict with the Hippocratic Oath, why would killing infidels be?
Keep your shame, if you have any...
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2007-07-10 02:12.
Veronica: "read all this mrs P had to write, that mom and son have suffered these muslim women all right, and some doctors and nurses in it too(some from the centre for the hearing impaired?) shame on the likes of doney and kapitein, such people are good at keeping the truth out, they have nothing interesting to write too. This mrs p is the only one who is really worth reading here, the rest of you sound like you are off the street."
Are you Revathy Parmeswar's reincarnation? So far your posts have been boring and off-topic.
First of Criminals
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Mon, 2007-07-09 22:54.
"When a doctor does go wrong he is the first of criminals.He has nerve and he has knowledge".
Sherlock Holmes, 'The Adventure of The Speckled Band', written by Arthur Conan Doyle, author and physician.And the name of Sherlock's side-kick? Doctor Watson.
Submitted by Diresu on Wed, 2007-07-04 23:37.
Investigators have to be looking into every patient death connected to these doctors. I wonder how they managed to keep that out of the press?
Amsterdamsky nonsense again
Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2007-07-04 17:16.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Comparing "mutilation" to murder?
Quit smoking that crack and maybe your brain will start working again.
Hippocratic Oath irrelevant
Submitted by siegetower on Wed, 2007-07-04 16:47.
One of my relatives is a doctor. I questioned them on this same matter and they said doctors graduating from university today are not required to make the Hippocratic Oath....today's doctors view the wording of it irrelevant and out of date. At least thats the situation in Australia. I assume thats a contemporary medical view internationally.
Defend Christendom. Defend Jewry. Oppose socialism in Europe.
"Those Who Cure You Will Kill You"
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-07-04 12:02.
Muslims have their own version of the Hippocratic Oath.(Note the potential "get out clause" toward the end of the text).
THE OATH OF A MUSLIM PHYSICIAN
Praise be Allah,the Teacher,the Unique,Majesty of the heavens,the Exhaulted,the Glorious,Glory be to Him,the Eternal Being Who Created the Universe and all the creatures within,and the only Being Who contained the infinity and the eternity.We serve no other god besides Thee and regard idolatry as an abominable injustice.
Give us the strength to be truthful,honest,modest,merciful and objective.
Give us the fortitude to admit our mistakes,to amend our ways and to forgive the wrongs of others.
Give us wisdom to comfort and counsel all towards peace and harmony.
Give us the understanding that ours is a profession sacred that deals with your most precious gifts of life and intellect.
Therefore,make us worthy of this favoured station with honor,dignity and piety so that we may devote our lives in serving mankind,poor or rich,literate or illiterate,Muslim or non-Muslim,black or white with patience and tolerance with virtue and reverence,with knowledge and vigilance,with Thy love in our hearts and compassion for Thy servants,Thy most precious creation.
Hereby we take this oath in Thy name,the Creator of all the Heavens and the earth and follow Thy counsel as Thou has revealed to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh).
"Whoever killeth a human being,not in lieu of another human being nor because of mischief on earth,it is as if he hath killed all mankind.And if he saveth a human life,he hath saved the life of all mankind". (Qur'an V/35).
[This medical oath which is complete from the historical and contemporary writings of physicians of Islamic World,was officially adopted by I.M.A. in 1977].
Islamic Medical Association of North America.
In Response to Mr. van Laenen
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Wed, 2007-07-04 08:35.
Filip: "...many of the suspects involved in the car bombs in London and Glasgow last week were physicians..."
Whenever would-be refugees in underdeveloped and developing states, particularly in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa, are interviewed by Western reporters (e.g. BBC), they usually want their children to be doctors in the West or to be doctors themselves. Ostensibly, this would enable non-Westerners to use their skills to assist their fellow countrymen. In the final analysis, however, it seems that they want a profession that is well-paying and 'looks good.'
Filip: "The fact that so many people are puzzled by the fact that many of the suspects were physicians who had sworn not to harm any people says more about the people who are puzzled than the suspects."
Agreed. However, it seems that major media outlets are using this fact to prolong the sensationalism and endless commentary on the heightened security in the United Kingdom.
Filip: "There's a war going on..."
Filip: "...and contrary to what some people in the media want us believe, it wasn't the West that started it."
I do not believe that one can objectively ascertain "who" started what. Sometimes conflicts are inevitable despite the best intentions of cooler heads on both sides.
Filip: "...maybe we should rather start learning from them [Israel]..."
The British experience in Northern Ireland is also comparable. However, the 'numbers game' presented by tens of millions of Muslims and other unruly non-Western groups in Western Europe cannot be solved in this manner. Even Israel is confronted by hordes of Muslims who would 'democratically' and 'demographically' end the Jewish State. If the West is truly intent on learning, perhaps it should graduate to those higher courses taught by the likes of Russia and Serbia...
Hippocratic Oath vs. infant genital mutilation vs. abortion
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Wed, 2007-07-04 07:42.
"Finally, about that : how much is it still worth in the Western world anyway? The classical version explicitly bans both euthanasia and abortion,"
But genital mutilation is always A.O.K. right?
Your false morality is less than worthless.
Submitted by logicalman on Wed, 2007-07-04 07:36.
Hippocrate was a mere mortal, albeit medicine man. Mohammed is viewed as Allah's prophet by Muslims. Is there any surprise that a muslim doctor does an act of jihad so he could get his 72 virgins in heaven?
Mohammed's best move was to have created the imaginary Allah from the moon god and mix that with an enslaving socio-political system to control his followers and turn them into dormant killer-robots that could awaken when one could least expect.
Western leaders can continue to deny realities about Islam and reap consequences.