Prepare for War

A quote from Ayaan Hirsi Ali in Reason Magazine, November 2007

Reason: [When you say that Islam has to be defeated] Don’t you mean defeating radical Islam?

Hirsi Ali: No. Islam, period. Once it’s defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. They’re not interested in peace.

Reason: We have to crush the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims under our boot? In concrete terms, what does that mean, “defeat Islam”?

Hirsi Ali: I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars. Islam can be defeated in many ways. For starters, you stop the spread of the ideology itself; at present, there are native Westerners converting to Islam, and they’re the most fanatical sometimes. There is infiltration of Islam in the schools and universities of the West. You stop that. You stop the symbol burning and the effigy burning, and you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy.

Reason: Militarily?

Hirsi Ali: In all forms, and if you don’t do that, then you have to live with the consequence of being crushed.

Reason: Are we really heading toward anything so ominous?

Hirsi Ali: I think that’s where we’re heading. We’re heading there because the West has been in denial for a long time. It did not respond to the signals that were smaller and easier to take care of. Now we have some choices to make. This is a dilemma: Western civilization is a celebration of life—everybody’s life, even your enemy’s life. So how can you be true to that morality and at the same time defend yourself against a very powerful enemy that seeks to destroy you?

: George Bush, not the most conciliatory person in the world, has said on plenty of occasions that we are not at war with Islam.

Hirsi Ali: If the most powerful man in the West talks like that, then, without intending to, he’s making radical Muslims think they’ve already won. There is no moderate Islam. There are Muslims who are passive, who don’t all follow the rules of Islam, but there’s really only one Islam, defined as submission to the will of God. There’s nothing moderate about it.

Reason: So when even a hard-line critic of Islam such as Daniel Pipes says, “Radical Islam is the problem, but moderate Islam is the solution,” he’s wrong?

Hirsi Ali: He’s wrong. Sorry about that.

Reason: In Holland, you wanted to introduce a special permit system for Islamic schools, correct?

Hirsi Ali: I wanted to get rid of them. I wanted to have them all closed, but my party said it wouldn’t fly. Top people in the party privately expressed that they agreed with me, but said, “We won’t get a majority to do that,” so it never went anywhere.

Reason: Well, your proposal went against Article 23 of the Dutch Constitution, which guarantees that religious movements may teach children in religious schools and says the government must pay for this if minimum standards are met. So it couldn’t be done. Would you in fact advocate that again?

Hirsi Ali
: Oh, yeah.

Reason: Here in the United States, you’d advocate the abolition of—

Hirsi Ali: All Muslim schools. Close them down. Yeah, that sounds absolutist. I think 10 years ago things were different, but now the jihadi genie is out of the bottle. I’ve been saying this in Australia and in the U.K. and so on, and I get exactly the same arguments: The Constitution doesn’t allow it. But we need to ask where these constitutions came from to start with—what’s the history of Article 23 in the Netherlands, for instance? There were no Muslim schools when the constitution was written. There were no jihadists. They had no idea.

Re: my view

Pay attention.I'm not asking people to tell me if they agree with you about immigration,I'm asking them if they agree with you when you claim that I am Judeophobic.

@ Yitzhak #3

Let me make my position quite clear,so that even YOU can understand it.I am a friend of Israel.I have friends who are both Jews and Gentiles,most of whom are white and some non-white and most of them are what you would describe as 'European'.This is not the first time you have labelled me a racist,nor is it the first time I have demanded an apology from you for that slur on my good character.

I'll take that apology from you,NOW!


I don't need to say anything to him coz he never claim to be friend of Israel.....his disgusting views against Jews and Israel are no secret......we surely watch our back from such people but on the other hand you non-stop remind me you are friend of Israel etc....yet your views about European Jewry are very closer to Nazi can't accept A Jew can be Jew and European at sometime......

@ Yitzhak #2

Let's test your theory shall we?


Is there anybody else out there who agrees with Yitzhak on this issue?


your anti-semantic bigotry is very clear you just can't wait to show it.....can you.....
tell me what would you call a Caucasian European Jew if he drops Jew from Caucasian European Jew??
If a Dane lives in Thailand and keep a house in Thailand he would be always Dane......for you...
BUT NOOOO....haven's forbid if a Jew call Israel his home.....he is not European anymore.......


With my luck I'll probably discover that Armor is their booking agent.Good night.

@ Atheling

This conspiracy stuff is contagious...I'm starting to believe that Amsterdamsky and Yitzhak are part of some weird comedy duo but I can't work out who the straight man is.

@ Yitzhak

Who is spinning your words?


You wrote,"Well I got news for you majority of Western's don't want...any immigrants from outside Europe mostly Europeans don't want immigration of any kind period".


In reference to potential immigrants contemplating it,you offered them the following advice."stay in your homeland wherever that is..."


Then you tell us YOUR homeland is Israel,and it turns out that YOU are a "GUEST" in Europe yourself.


Exit question: What do you have to say to people like Amsterdamsky who doesn't acknowledge your family's right to live in their homeland and who supports the "Islamofascists" who are responsible for firing those rockets at Haifa and Qiryat Shmona,Israel? Answer,nothing,nada,zilch.Instead,you attack people like Atheling,Monica and myself, who support  your family's  right to live in their homeland of Israel.And YOU call ME Brainless!!!


Points well taken.

Yitzhak makes no sense. I give up on debating with him, as I have with Amsterdamsky.

From now on, it's just ridicule.


Well it’s
very clear from your question that there is something missing in your head
knows as “brain” otherwise you surely would know I was talking about Haifa
& Qiryat Shimona Israel……….

Now spinning my words won’t help you with anything
coz simple fact is you are………..Sissified loser’s scared of Islamofascists…….……  Till you have guts to
confront Islamofacists in your neighborhood face to face go hide in your tree

@ Yitzhak

Yitzhak wrote,"Europe is my home and I simply don't want any "GUESTS" in my home...


stay in your own homeland wherever that is...




Unlike PC warriors like you I had faced off with Islamofascists...watching rockets falling on (my) neighborhood not knowing next one might hit..."



Tell us,Yitzhak,why and when did YOU vacate your mother's basement to take up residence and continue blogging from your current abode,that Ivory Tower you currently call home? 


If you can
read my previous comments you would know where I stand on immigration. Well I
got news for you majority of Western’s don’t want to baby sit and pamper any
immigrant from outside Europe mostly Europeans don’t want immigration of any
kind period. How dare I call her what she really is??? What else should I call
an asylum seeker who lies to get asylum?? Its absolute stupidity to defend the
phony story of  “Phony Asylum Seeker”
which she admitted her self was a lie.

FGM is sick
tribal practice not limited to Islamofascists……….some Coptic Christians and
Flasha Jews in Ethiopia practiced sickening FGM………..there are more then
100million victims of this heinous practice should we bring them to Europe and
grant them citizenships just coz they went through horror of such practice?
“Phony asylum seeker” and her fellow paranoid bandwagon riders should go to and
fight for the victims in Africa. 

Europe is
my home and I simply don’t want any “GUESTS” in my home call it rude ignorant
or whatever…. but simple fact is ENOUGH IS ENOUGH…stay in your own homeland
wherever that is………

civilization is not just because of Christianity……….Christianity played some
part in development of western civilization……….countless notable people who
contributed in the development of western civilization were not just
Christian’s Jewish contributions are no secret. Christianity is not central
pillar of Western identity the central pillar of western identity is race.
Absent race West is not west. And that’s fact. Even in Judaism racial identity
is very clear take religion out and Sephardim got many things in common with
Arabs take religion out and there is no difference between an Ashkenazi and a

Europe was Europe without Christianity………..….Europe
would be Europe with or without Christianity………...without indigenous majority
west won’t be west. 


Christian Convert Abdul-Rahman deserves to be honored. He was facing real death
was in prison unlike “phony Asylum seeker from Somalia” he is far more credible
to me then her. Now about fatwa………every non-muslim is under fatwa according to
Islamofascists …..….nothing special about it.

out?? What?? Telling us how evil Islamofascists are?? I am sure majority
European’s are perfectly aware of that already.

Chicken Hawk
PC warrior’s blogging from mother’s basements are forgetting Europe had being
facing Islamofascists through out history. Moorish Rule in Spain and Siege of
Vienna crusades etc…so far Europe is still standing… 

 Unlike PC warriors like you I had faced off
with Islamofascists in reality unlike you and your fellow paranoid bandwagon
riders I am not scared of any Islamofascist. Cheerleading for foolishness,
fighting a crusade with your key bored is very different then having loved ones
in real battlefields fighting with enemy sacrificing lives so you can cheerlead
for more…. sitting thousands miles away…… … watching rockets falling on your
neighborhood not knowing next one might hit your own home is not hypocrisy……..

There is no
question some females are not only naïve but absolutely foolish. Now I know
there would be probably outrage and hullabaloo that I am calling women naïve
and foolish……..…oh and I don’t give a dam……….what you or your fellow bandwagon
riders would say about me……….hypocrite, racist blah blah………..


The constitution...

The constitution grants the chances of religious organisations to educate and provides them with resources IF CERTAIN STANDARDS ARE MET. How about setting the standards for deep knowledge of local national heritage, culture and history? How about requiring teaching about ALL major religions and their principles? You can't change constitution, but you can sure set standards, isn't that the way?

quote: "I get exactly the

quote: "I get exactly the same arguments: The Constitution doesn’t allow it. But we need to ask where these constitutions came from to start with—what’s the history of Article 23 in the Netherlands, for instance? There were no Muslim schools when the constitution was written. There were no jihadists. They had no idea."


Ali! Ali! Ali!

Atheling; Bravo!

Yitzhak, how dare you call Hirsi Ali a 'phony Somali asylum seeker'! I thought we agreed on this website that people from poorer countries shouldn't be blamed for seeking a better life in Western Countries but rater their leaders who seem only willing to accomodate them. I get the most sadistic pleasure picturing you genitally mutilated and being forced to marry a Muslim pig...She has lived like me in an Islamic country and tries to educate steadfast liberals about the insidious nature of Islam at great risk to her own life. She is not 'cheerleading for killings', she is exhorting Western leaders to come to grips with the horrific reality of Islam which is spreading everywhere like a cancerous cell. That you could equate her to a jihadist.....Are you a complete imbecile or just heartless?

And what makes you so Western?

Not a Religion

Ms Hirsi Ali understands first hand what most europeans or westerners refuse to aknowledge : Islam is not a religion but an ideology, a totalitarian supremacist ideology, shared not only by what we call the "islamists", but by mainstream muslims also. This ideology is going to the wall like the totalitarian ideologies of the 20th century (with which it shares many common ground), and the ordinary muslims being excited by the apparent success of their "religion", don't realize that it's a free fall toward self-destruction.


How does one facilitate growth by containment? In terms of knowledge and growth Islam has been contained and static since Vienna. How would containment do anything but allow the disease to continue to fester? I agree with Hirsi Ali. Until they are defeated and provided with the impetus to change, their culture will remain in the semi savage state that they're in at the moment. Most of the evil that we see is the adaptation of cultural norms and mores.

Witness the fact that stoning is a part of the culture of the Yezidi, who are not muslim and considered apostate by the muslim community. A recent stoning by the Yezidi was also an honor killing so a cultural similarity can be seen. Ancient Jews also had the practice of stoning until they were forced to change by the diaspora.

I believe this is where Hirsi Ali is reasoning from.

Couldn't Agree More

It is a pity that the overwhelming majority of indigenous Dutch are not as outspoken as she. It is also a pity that she is not particularly warm towards the VB, although the latter is driven by ethnicity as much as ideology, and Ali wouldn't quite fit in.

@Armor #2

If I get to choose the destination,and you like it,do you promise to take Yitzhak with you?


Armor: I have the opposite view. I think we should send them back home, and then stop worrying about islam.


I agree

Phony Asylum seeker from Somalia

Ms. Hirsi Ali is a phony paranoid person. Her cheerleading for killings is no different then an Islamofascist Jihadi. She is an extremist. Hellspenguin says she is just warning people…….. WARNING about what?  Do I need a lesson from a phony Somali Asylum seeker who suddenly after 9/11 discovers that Western civilization is under threat?? Give me a brake that’s an Insult to every European who had fought against Islamfascists through out history. She is not telling us anything, which we don’t know about Islamofascists. Paranoid people who believe some lunatic Islamofascists can destroy our civilization are simply disgusting. People claming to defend our civilization don’t know a thing about western civilization. Calling Hirsi Ali brave is an Insult to every female serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the brave ones at frontlines facing enemy unlike EURABIA bandwagon chicken hawks, PC warrior’s blogging from their mother’s basement.

Dutch government should revoke her illegally obtained citizenship.


She is brave. She is an apostate under fatwa and still she speaks out.

You, on the other hand, sit comfortably behind your keyboard and lambast this woman.



Hypothetically,if you converted to Islam,under your system,to which country would we be free to send you? 


I will let you choose the destination for me.
But practically, I don't think that European converts are the real problem.

By the way, does Hirsi Ali at least support the idea of stopping muslim immigration to the USA?

What are her views on immigration?

Hirsi Ali: "There comes a moment when you crush your enemy."

She says we should crush islam, but I don't suppose she supports the idea of sending muslim immigrants back to their home countries.

I have the opposite view. I think we should send them back home, and then stop worrying about islam.

Unreformable Islam

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is correct; there is no possibility of coming to an accomodation with Islam as it is hard set in its blood thirsty 8th century appallingness. Until we stop feeding it petro-dollars it will continue to attack and try to subvert the Western Enlightenment. We should be proud of our great heritage, arm ourselves and defend it.
Aryaan Hirsi Ali is an exceptionally perceptive and brave woman. She needs money to be protected from her and our degenerate enemies. Anyone out there prepared to set up and contribute to an Aryaan Hirsi Ali protection fund?

It is neither necessary, nor possible

nor humane to crush Islam as she seems to be suggesting. These are over one billion people. The West can *easily* contain Islam's aggressiveness with its vast technological superiority. I think this would be so even if Russia, and Europe would fall and America alone would fight.

Containment gives Islam the chance to evolve as it must--as all religions evolve,

And the war--the counterpunch--to Islamic aggression is the first step in this containment. He is much villified but history will praise him.


Islam can't "evolve".

Muslims believe that the Koran was directly handed to Mohammed by Allah, and it is immutable. There is no "contextual" component to Koranic study.

It is possible that Islam

It is possible that Islam has been evolving in recent years, but not in the way citizens of the West would like. More peaceful versions of Islam in places like the Balkans or Central Asia have been supplanted by the more radical Wahhabism and the global jihad has been an unfortunate result.


No, I wouldn't say so. After all, when you look at the Quran, I mean, honestly... That silly little book tells them to kill all infidels. Well, it's only logic to protect oneself against such attempts, right? She's not an extremist, just warning people who refuse to listen. And frankly, if it comes down to them or us (and it smells like it already), I prefer them being smoked.

Reason magazine

Funny  :)


Yes, all these "dead tree" publications have to future-date their products to give the appearance of being current when the magazine finally arrives....

A quote from November 2007?

November 2007? Is Reason Magazine now seeing into the future?

I have always appreciated the predictions and the warnings of possible developments but this is truly amazing. 

is she...

Is Ms Hirsi Ali an extremist? Or is she simply farther along the learning curve than the rest of us?

History will answer but I know where I'll put my money...