Too Many Wives Causes Unrest

According to Gérard Larcher, France’s employment minister, polygamy is one reason for the large-scale rioting in his country. The minister told the Financial Times that multiple marriages among immigrants lead to anti-social behaviour among youths who lack a father figure. This makes employers wary of hiring ethnic minorities. “If people are not employable, they will not be employed,” he explained. Bernard Accoyer, a leading parliamentarian of the governing UMP, told French radio that children from large polygamous families have problems integrating into mainstream society. He said polygamy leads to “an inability to provide an education as it is needed in an organised, normative society like in Europe and notably France.”

Polygamy in France is illegal but authorities tolerate the existence of an estimated 30,000 families in which there is more than one wife. As these are large families, up to 250,000 people may live in such a family. Most of them come from North and sub-Saharan African countries such as Algeria, Mali and Senegal, where the practice is legal. The French authorities freely granted visas to family members of immigrants until 1993, when former interior minister Charles Pasqua, who was decried as a “hardline rightwinger,” banned visas for more than one spouse. Many wives, however, continued to enter illegally, while the government relaxed its stance after protests.

Polygamous immigrants abuse the social security system by collecting state benefits for several wives. As residency was only granted to polygamous families if the two wives do not live at the same address, these families claim double social housing, family allowances and other social benefits. According to the FT “Mr Larcher’s comments could further fuel the debate and are likely to outrage Muslim and anti-racism groups.” The minister’s comments come as the government considers tightening rules for granting visas and a possible clampdown on polygamous families. The FT fears that “a clampdown, if enforced, could affect families that entered the country before 1993.”

Meanwhile, interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy – another alledgedly “hardline rightwinger” – has started procedures to expel ten rioters from France. Last week Sarkozy announced that foreigners who engage in rioting would be deported. The measure does not apply to minors or to foreigners who have lived in the country for more than 13 years or who have “strong family ties” with France.

The unrest abated further last night. 163 cars were torched and a church was partly destroyed by fire. Police arrested 50 rioters. Brussels, too, claims a “return to the normal situation.” Only three cars were set on fire in Belgium last night. The riots seem to be petering out. As John O’Sullivan commented “Rioters are invariably young men – and usually young men who have not been taught by schools and parents to control their impulses and think ahead. They enjoy rioting. It gives vent to their animal spirits and allows them to loot goods that might otherwise be outside their price range. Political or social grievances give them an excuse to riot; liberal hand-wringing by politicians and the media over those grievances gives them permission to do so. Eventually, however, even rioting gets old.”

Maybe in a few months' time, when rioting will regain the appeal of a novel pastime, they will be back, “giving vent to the animal spirits” which their fathers, with their multiple wives, have never taught them to control.

Bachelors Forevor

Another problem with polygamy is that, if Achmed gets 2 wives, then Jusuf doesn't get any. As long as there are as many men as women, it is a zero sum game.

So, Jusuf is wifeless forever. And he's angry. And all the good jobs are taken by the 70% of the population that was lucky enough to be employed when France decided to implement unsustainable, but really cushy job perks.

This is not a recipe for long term social stability in the modern world.

sarkozy

Meanwhile, interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy – another alledgedly “hardline rightwinger” – has started procedures to expel ten rioters from France. Last week Sarkozy announced that foreigners who engage in rioting would be deported. The measure does not apply to minors or to foreigners who have lived in the country for more than 13 years or who have “strong family ties” with France.
After weeks of rioting Sarkozy has "started procedures" to expel a grand total of ten rioters. Note that rioters with "strong family ties" in France will not be expelled. Some hardliner!

Sarkozy is also a big supporter of "affirmative action" AKA "positive discrimination". France is still a meritocracy and has avoided the racial spoils systems that prevail in the US and UK. Introducing race quotas will just institutionalize and enhance the ethnic grievance industry and the Cult of Victimization. This has certainly been the experience in the US and UK.

Definitions ...

A socialist country, by definition, is never a meritocracy as only ideas approved by the central committee can move forward and be acted upon.

And while there might be many competent people waiting to act on said ideas, the central committee itself is never subject to any criterion of merit.

socialism

All developed countries are, to one degree or another, social-democratic welfare states with regulated economies. This includes the US. The main advantages the US has over its authoritarian brother states in the EU, Canada and Australasia are the First and Second Amendments to the US Constitution.These inhibit somewhat the repressive character of the PeeCee Multicultist State. Bush("open borders with Mexico") and Chirac have much more in common than they may know.

Racial spoils

Introducing race quotas will just institutionalize and enhance the ethnic grievance industry and the Cult of Victimization. This has certainly been the experience in the US and UK.

Far from it. The racial discrimination legislation in the UK has been a major factor in curbing racism over the past 40 years or so. I'm interested, though, in what situations there are actually "quotas" in the UK. Some examples, please, especially bearing in mind that they are unlawful under the Race Relations Acts as being intrinsically discriminatory.

Bob Doney

"I'm interested, though, in

"I'm interested, though, in what situations there are actually "quotas" in the UK. Some examples, please, especially bearing in mind that they are unlawful under the Race Relations Acts as being intrinsically discriminatory."
All you have to do is watch the BBC. Except for period dramas every production has to a have the correct racial mix- at least the shows I see here in Central America. Oh yeah, and the recent murderous riots involving blacks vs. Asians show how wonderful racial relations are in the UK.

Quotas

All you have to do is watch the BBC. Except for period dramas every production has to a have the correct racial mix

Without knowing what particular shows make their way to Central America, it's a bit hard for me to comment. As an avid watcher of the Beeb I don't think that in general you're right. It's true that drama and hospital series portray a lot of characters from ethnic minorities, but that simply reflects the reality of urban Britain. Otherwise I really don't detect any undue "correctness". Perhaps my racial antennae just aren't sensitive enough! The one complaint I do have is that there are far too many Scottish weather forecasters....

Oh yeah, and the recent murderous riots involving blacks vs. Asians show how wonderful racial relations are in the UK.

They would be a darn sight worse without the Race Relations Acts. At least landlords are not now allowed to put signs in windows saying "No blacks, no Irish", as I can remember from the swinging Sixties.

Bob Doney

Many many wives

This is really spooky. I seem to remember a number of postings quite recently on this site saying that grown-up people should be able to live under whatever marriage arrangements they preferred, and it was no business of anyone but the polygamists. However, social causes seem to have social effects. Who'd have thought it!

Bob Doney

I made that remark and I

I made that remark and I stand by it.

Be careful what you ask for. If you want the state to control how children are raised and what they are taught, it probably will do so in a way you disagree with. Mr. Belien has defended in another article the right of an orthodox Jewish school to deviate from the state curriculum. You only seem to oppose the state intruding in people's private lives when you disagree with the cause.

Polygamy

It is not polygamy as such that causes the absence of a role model of a decent father. Many hard working professionals have less time available to spend with their children than the polygamous africans in France. It is rather a mentality - or call it 'culture' - of neglect of one's children that causes the problems. Le Figaro mentioned the defense of a young black before the judge: he lived with seven brothers and fifteen half-brothers in one appartment. His father every month took the child allowances and disapeared.