Don't Burn Muhammad
From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-02-16 20:43
In 711 Muslim armies crossed the Strait of Gibraltar. They took Spain by force and remained there until they were thrown out during the reconquista in 1492. Every year, in a tradition that goes back to the 16th century, Spanish villages still celebrate the liberation from the Moors (as the Muslims were locally called) during “Moros y Cristianos” festivals in which effigies of the prophet Muhammad – the so-called “la Mahoma” – are mocked, thrown out of windows, and burned.
Now the Spanish, having witnessed what happened to the Vikings recently, are wondering whether they can still continue their tradition of “offending Muslims.” The village of Bocairent near Valencia decided this year to discontinue the century old tradition of mocking and burning effigies of Muhammad. Bocairent does not want to risk becoming the target of suicide bombers.
In Belgium, as we reported last week, the organizers of the traditional carnival (mardi gras) parade of Aalst hope that the participants in this year’s parade will be sensible enough not to offend Muslims by dressing up in burqas or posing as Muhammad. But not only the Belgian authorities are worried. The neighbouring Netherlands have a tradition of dressing up at carnival as well.
The authorities in Oldenzaal have decided that mocking Muhammad will not be tolerated. “We will be very strict,” they told the media. Similar prohibitions have also been imposed in the province of Limburg, where carnival (this year from 26 to 28 February) is a very old tradition. Participants can mock whomever they want, except Muslims. “Making allusions to the cartoon crisis will not be tolerated either,” the organizing committee of a carnival parade in Brabant said.
Some Dutch, however, are made of sterner stuff. Last Friday, at the conclusion of a debate on Dutch television about the Muhammad cartoons, an animated cartoon was shown. It was made by Joep Bertrams, who won an award last year for being the best Dutch political cartoonist of 2005. See it here. The title “Gevoelig” means “Sensitive.”
Reply to Gordonz
Submitted by Diresu on Thu, 2006-02-16 23:49.
I agree with your point about majority rules except for one thing. Secular humanists aren't having kids and their governments are importing millions of Islamists from the 3rd world to fill the gap. In another 50 years every country in Western Europe will look like Iran or Pakistan does today.
50 years
Submitted by Bob Doney on Fri, 2006-02-17 00:59.
In another 50 years every country in Western Europe will look like Iran or Pakistan does today.
But will cricket still be played? You guys overlook cricket at your peril. Cricket is the big X FACTOR in all this. So long as the England team are prepared to go to Pakistan every couple of years and get beaten up by the Pakistani bowlers, all will be well. We didn't have those playing fields at Eton for nothing you know.
Bob Doney
Re: 50 years
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-20 18:39.
So Bob,
What will your new muslim name be?
Just curious? *smile*
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save us!
Re: Majority Rules!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 22:27.
These things are a tradition, there were no muslim tourists in days gone by. will the muslims have the spaniards rewrite history, about how El Cid sent them back to North Africa! will people no longer celebrate the armies of Suleiman retreating from Europe at festivals and such. Because the muslims will be angry! What insanity is this!
No more appeasement, and I do not consider this a religion..it is a disease of deranged dangerously simple minds. Enough said.
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Old scores
Submitted by Bob Doney on Fri, 2006-02-17 00:54.
will people no longer celebrate the armies of Suleiman retreating from Europe at festivals and such.
Don't worry. Things change. Old quarrels get abandoned. We even invited Froggy to attend our Trafalgar celebration/commemoration last year, and we all managed to remember that amidst the glory that saved Europe from Bonaparte's mania, a lot of ordinary people on both sides of the battle suffered and died in appalling circumstances. Vive l'entente cordiale!!
By the way, I had a word with the Muslim guy who runs our local post office, and he assures me that he's not planning war............ (yet!!!!!)
Bob Doney
RESPECT
Submitted by Gordonz on Thu, 2006-02-16 22:15.
We don't have any interest at all in mocking your prophet. We don't really approve of blashpemy. We would like to live without it.
We understand that you simply want respect. The need for respect is shared by all peoples and religions of the world.
And the west would love to give Islam all the repect it wants.
But that is not enough for you.
We also have to hold the crime of blasphemy greater than the crime of murder. We would have to actually regard a person's life as secondary to a religious belief.
That will never happen. That is not respect.
That is the lack of repect.
Gordonz - Respect
Submitted by Charlemagne on Fri, 2006-02-17 09:47.
We don't have any interest at all in mocking your prophet. We don't really approve of blashpemy. We would like to live without it.
We understand that you simply want respect. The need for respect is shared by all peoples and religions of the world.
Actually, Mahomet was not a prophet, and deserves no respect as one. To elevate Mahomet to the status of prophet is itself blasphemous as Mahomet denied Christ and thereby denies God himself.
Islam is therefore on a level with satanism, and it is appalling that so many of today "church" leaders are for respecting Islam as an alternative way to heaven. Islam deserves no more respect than a vandal who is determined to throw stones in order to break all the windows in your house. You put it under strong lock and key until it repents of its stupidity.
----------------------------------------------------Mahomet is no prophet, Allah is no faith, Islam is no religion. Christ will destroy them all.
And so...it begins...
Submitted by foreign devil on Thu, 2006-02-16 21:35.
This is how it starts. This is why it is SO important that every paper that can, and every media outlet that can, should PUBLISH THESE CARTOONS. It's no longer about the cartoons. It's about your freedom. Islam is saying you can't read or look at or talk about ANYTHING THEY FIND OFFENSIVE AND THEY'LL DECIDE WHAT THAT IS.
If every single community or media outlet or festival that in the past used an image of Mohammed, continue to defy Islam, then eventually they'll realize they can't defeat the whole world. As things stand, they're doing a fine job of making some people bend the knee. This means it will take a whole lot longer and a lot more lives before they finally get the message. Because war will come sooner or later. If sooner...it will be over quicker. If later....it may last a whole lot longer and be a lot harder to finish just because they didn't get a firm "NO" to start with. It will take the Muslims longer to get the message and it will be harder to make them finally relent.