Dispatch from the Eurabian Front: Sharia Law in the West?

From the desk of Hjörtur J. Guðmundsson on Mon, 2006-02-27 15:40

A poll published last week (Feb. 19) in Britain’s Sunday Telegraph, reveals that four out of every ten British Muslims want Sharia law introduced in areas of the country which are pre-dominantly Muslim, while 41 percent oppose it.

Sharia law is used in large parts of the Middle East, most notably in countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. The law is enforced by a religious police. Special courts can hand out harsh punishments; for sexual offences punishments include stoning, for theft amputation, and for apostasy death. The law also contains detailed rules for practically every aspect of life and is made up of elements from the Koran and the Hadith besides rulings by Muslim judges from the first centuries of Islam.

Sharia law also includes provisions that allow men to have several wives. Women are inferior to men and can easily be divorced. It suffices for the husband to recite „I divorce you“ three times. A woman’s testimony is worth less than that of a man, and women cannot marry non-Muslims though Muslim men are allowed to marry non-Muslim women. Sharia law also enforces a dress code on men and women, although the dress code for men is much more relaxed than that for women. The latter are required to cover themselves entirely, including their hair and the shape of their bodies, except for their faces and hands. Such paragraphs obviously conflict with Western societies where individual freedom and the equal treatment of citizens are among the main principles. Radical Muslim imams, however, want to cordon Sharia provisions off from Western influence.

Canada

In September the head of Canada's Ontario province, Dalton McGuinty, rejected a proposal to allow Muslims to use Sharia law in family disputes such as divorce and child custody. Marion Boyd, a former attorney general, had recommended this in a report, but Mr McGuinty ruled against the move, saying there should be “one law for all Ontarians.”

Australia

In Australia Finance Minister Peter Costello, who is widely expected to become Australia’s next Prime Minister, demands that Muslim extremists with dual citizenship who scorn Australian values, be stripped of their citizenship. Such people should settle in countries where they feel more comfortable, said  Mr Costello. He also denounced multiculturalism as “mushy and misguided” and wants new citizens to accept Australian laws rather than attempt to live by alternative codes from their home countries, such as Sharia law. He said it was a sign of respect for Australia in the same way that taking off one’s shoes before entering a mosque shows deference towards Islam. “If you have strong objections to walking in your socks, don’t enter the mosque,” Mr Costello said in Sydney late Thursday. “If you have strong objections to [Australian] values, don’t come to Australia.”

Australian Muslim leaders have strongly criticized Mr Costello’s comments while complaining about alleged hostility towards Muslims from the Australian conservative government. Meanwhile Prime Minister John Howard has come out in Mr Costello’s support saying his comments were „fundamentally accurate“ and accusing Muslim leaders of being too sensitive to criticism. “He’s not trying to stir up hostilities with Islamic people,” Mr Howard told commercial radio. “For some to throw up their arms in horror and say that there’s something wrong in even talking about this issue is ridiculous,” he added.

Norway

The Norwegian human rights think tank Human Rights Service (HRS) recently warned against compromising with Islamists. “There is a gulf between secular democracy and Islamism as a totalitarian ideology which goes hand in hand with fascism, communism and nazism. Indications of the similarities between those ideologies is the Islamists’ derogative views on Jews, that they exalt themselves as superior people, and that they want to subvert secular democracy,” said Hege Storhaug from HRS to the Norwegian newspaper Klassekampen.

In Mrs Storhaug’s opinion the increasing debate on Islam has made the lines clearer, showing better which Muslims are Islamists and which ones are willing to become part of the Norwegian democratic society. She said it is terrible to see Muslim women in Norway wearing burqas in accordance with the Sharia law’s dress code. Mrs Storhaug also said she is very concerned about the attitude of Islamists towards homosexuals. The radical Mulims want homosexuality to be punished with death. “I would like to see an imam who says that Sharia law would not prevail in Norway if Muslims were in the majority,“ she said.

Belgium

Last December a poll in Antwerp among a representative group of Muslim youths between 15 and 25 years of age, revealed that 21% of the young Antwerp Muslims find it “problematic” that the majority of Antwerp’s citizens are non-Muslims.

Sharia Law - No normal one can support that.

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Thu, 2006-03-02 00:04.

I cannot regard muslims who support Sharia as normal, since I know people in Nigeria - where the northern part of the country are using the Sharia Law, and not in the south Nigeria - where non-muslim lives.

 

The country is devided by that law - since people in the south - don't dare to move or travel to the northern country because of the Sharia.

In the south they have - what we in Europe call a normal court system (as they can have there) - in the north - a Mullah and Governor to decide.

When we look at the welth - in the south they have a little bit more money than in the north... - so the muslims are moving south - and would also like to have the Sharia Law there.

There is several examples of women who is raped by men she knows in her family or village, and later get a deth pennalty by getting stoned.

When we look at the size of Nigerea ... check it out..  it have a large population.

Compare it to Europe - where radical muslims would like to implement Sharia locally, so they can pratice their terror against women locallý - without any courtsystem to desturb them.

Shar'iah law is NEVER

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-03-02 00:26.

Shar'iah law is NEVER uniform, it is capricous and as flighty as a woman who cannot make up her mind what dress to wear to a evening dress gala.

( Oh the women will pillory me here for that one. Gods forgive me for my female sexist remark against my own kind!)

Shar'iah law is so diverse and accentuated by the personal leanings as well as preferences, prejudices, social contacts and class structure as to the
interpretation of the imams and mullahs who pass as the bench of the court.

Thus NO ONE receives
uniform justice and all are at the mercy of the whims of the Shar'iah court. Just what Europe needs a group of semi-illiterate, raghead
bullies to strut and wreack havoc on the decent people who are desirous of peace.
(Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

See Oh Yes! It is not made

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-03-02 00:48.

See Oh Yes! It is not made up Re: Sharia!

I was coming back to tell you then I found out that all had heard. It was delicate.

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Oh yes! It is not a made up

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-03-02 00:46.

Oh yes! It is not a made up story! But they could just as easily have , ahem, removed "certain organs" with a sword for his doing so. Or stoned him to death.. or many more things!
You REALLY do not want to know what else they could have done. EVERY MAN here would be leaving and cradling things gently, just thinking of it. I will say no more.

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Religeon of peace???

Submitted by bduffy on Tue, 2006-02-28 17:30.

I don't mean to sound redundant. However, I would honestly like to know where the idea that Islam is a religeon of peace. I grew up in a typical Irish American middleclass family. We were brought up to respect all religeons, and given the belief that everybody deserved to have thier own point of view no matter how screwy that point of view may be. As I kid I thought that was the way the world ran. As an adult I had joined the military and was willing to lay my life down for that belief. I have survived through 4 wars fighting for that belief. Through everything I learned that the world was not the same and that Islam is far from a religeon of peace. Where did this idea originate from????? 

Pet Hates, Muslim rapists, Islam phobics, etc

Submitted by uknugget on Wed, 2006-03-01 18:01.

Yesterday I visited this site for the first time, it was full of articles headed "Muslim Rapists", "Mad Goat Muslim Rapists", and other such delightfully unbiased posts.

I suppose this is what happens when people deliberately seek out and post the very worst behaviours of a group of people and then exemplify them as typical animals, to be hated and comdemned by the rest of us ..... Very little mention of the millions of Islamic moderates who are devout, peaceful, and loving towards their neighbours? - That would be counter to the spirit of this forum, I suppose.

No, I am not a Muslim, but a Christian who believes in the goodness of people of all faiths. I particularly find the villifying of a entire group of people for the actions and beliefs of a few extremely nauseating. If the world's media spent months camped in the deep southern states of the USA interviewing members of the KKK and other "Christian" souls down there, people around the world would have a whole different view of Christianity, wouldn't they? So how about some balance to these inflammatory artcles and posts?

As for people asking silly questions about whether Islam is a religion of peace, why not visit a local mosque? or buy a penguin translation of the Koran for £1.99? Instead of spouting ignorant, hateful rants.

To UK NUGGET!

Submitted by A New Believer on Wed, 2006-03-01 21:07.

To UK NUGGET!

I was married to a muslim arab, it was bad incredibly bad but I RID myself of him. Unfortunately,
I also spent time, though never having been a member of their faith. I see nothing wrong with
some of the views heretofore mentioned here. These are "good
caring people." Well
at least the non-muslims are. There are a few on here who have been decent,
muslims that is. YOU just got here. You have not experienced the hate, invective, ridicule nor the insidious proselytiz-
ing from the "other side" that many of us here have.

I know quite a bit about the islamic faith, and how they treat women as well
as Shar'iah law. I have two copies of the qua'ran that I used for comparative Religion classes, and here to counter certain specious argu-
ments of "muslims."

Please do not think we are mean. We are simply tired and fighting for what WE believe in. We hear very little from the
moderates here and truly are worried what happens to the ones that do come here and speak out for us. Thank you. Now
perhaps you will be good enough to pass along the same arguments to those "others." Paul Belien and his colleagues have given this a voice. I personally applaud him.

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Welcome back - A New Believer

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Thu, 2006-03-02 00:16.

Welcome back - A New Believer.

Well I don't know so much about muslim faith - neither have I read Adolf Hitlers "Mein Kampf".

The aftermath show us the result of the Nazi regime - based on a single man and his ideas for a 3 reich.

From my point of view - is Sharia Law, and how people are punnished under the Sharia brilliant examples why we shal not have it in the west - and anywhere else in the world.

I support human rights and justice for all - Sharia Law - is part of a terror concept.

to mr. nielsen and new believer? hitler's MEIN KAMPF

Submitted by gerbil crusader on Thu, 2006-03-02 04:46.

I never read hitler's men kampf, can you explain the main topic on that book to summarize it?

I do remember COLONEL KLINK having it as his bible in HOGAN'S HEROES! my favorite world war 2 shows. That's when the french, british were real allies.
At least the germans and italians during world war 2, not the NAZI'S but the wermarcht abided by the geneva convention. MUSLIM COUNTRIES UNDER SHARIA don't recognize international law and make up their own according to their koran. That is why I am right that as bad as hitler and his nazi's were and imperial japanese, THEY SEEM LIKE ANGELS COMPARED TO ISLAMIC FASCISM THRU THE SHARIA/KORAN.
The U.S. worry about IRAN obtaining nuclear weapons and wiping off ISRAEL, guess who wants to take over the power structure in the middle east?
SAUDI ARABIA, that is why they are using and have the U.S. to get rid of saddam hussein. No more IRAQ as the military threat in that region. Neither pakistan or afghanistan is interested in regional powers in that side of the middle east. they are interested in getting rid of INDIA.
Saudi arabia and UNITED arab emirites wouldn't hesitate to annihilate ISRAEL, they are just duping the U.S. and her allies into believing they are friends and allies. Once they get economic and military structure, they will DISS the U.S. muslim countries CAN NEVER EVER BE TRUSTED LIKE THE NAZI'S/IMPERIALISTS...
Unfortunately U.S.BRITISH AND OTHER EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS ARE IDIOTS AND SIDING WITH THESE DICTATORS FOR MONETORY REASONS. Democracy in the west in in GREAT DANGER in the years to come. ISLAM will never get it's way, NEVER! too many BELIEF SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. But muslims are so brainwash, they really think they can win their HOLY WAR!

Mein Kampf for Gerbil Crusader Pt 1

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-03-02 05:38.

Mein Kampf translated from the German means "My Struggle". He had a much longer title in the beginning.
"Viereinhalb Jahre [des Kampfes] gegen Lüge, Dummheit und Feigheit" (Four and a Half Years [of Struggle] against Lies, Stupidity and Cowardice. Such a title was way too long, He had a publisher Amman I think, Maximillian or was it just Max. Cannot remember. I think I listened way too much to my father.
Ah. Explaining first. Daddy was one of the soldiers who "walked into teh concentration camps to liberate them." He never stepped into a church ever again after that. He said he had already seen hell. Where was I let me get my copy. ( Father made us read about everything and provided the books. Stalinism, Faschism, Islam, Totalitarianism..all the bad ones. Here we go. In Mein Kampf he describes his trials, his tribulations, his dienfranchisement with teh current authority at the time, the struggle of his movement, as well as what had been done to Germany after the First World War.

cont.

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Mein Kampf for Gerbil Crusader Pt 2

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-03-02 05:51.

Herr Hitler spoke of Drang nach Osten: "Lebensraum" - "living space or breathing room" that the german people needed. ( Such was the reason for annexing the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, Austria, Alsace-Lorraine. But most especially eastward in Russia. (There were germanic peoples there and the german people neded to be allowed to grow and manifest their destiny, as far as they could take it.( an old and complicated German nationalistic idea from many, many years before his birth.)
He spoke of the "Protocols of Zion"( Hmm wonder if we can find the "Protocols of Islam" anywhere). This was a book that was supposed to have spoken of Jewish perfidy, betrayal and their conspiracy to tak over worldwide leadership. ( Not true of course.) But muslims today swear by the "Protocols of Zion" as the gospel.

It mentions hi s childhood, the aspects that affected his life drawing him deeply in anti-semitism. He made frightening and prophetic mention of "poison gas and and outlined certain solutions." he mention the Treay of Versailles and the damage done to Germany. (repeating myself here) He mentioned what he believed were twin evils in the world. Communism and Judaism. He was a bit obssessed with these two and saw a "Judeo Bolshevik" plot in everything.

cont.

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Final Mein Kampf for Gerbil Crusader Pt3

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-03-02 06:03.

This is a very convoluted book. It stops starts and retraces itself. ( Be glad I took AP levels in Political Science. And Daddy had friend at the War College, in Washington D.C.) He made friends with Friedrich Nietzsche' sister and had a bit of a thing with her, borrowing the idea of the "Ubermensch" or "Superman". The aryan ideal and their right to be the Masters of the World was laid out. Mein Kampf gave sembalnce to his plan of a world wide view on the divisions of human with respect to racial ancestry. He also later outlined a book where he mentions
the struggle between the greater Germany, the United State and the British empire for world domination.

"Zweites Buch" (Second Book) his second book was not published until1961. A pirated edition was published in English in New York, 1962. The first authoritative English edition was not published until 2003 (Hitler's Second Book: The Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf, ISBN 1929631162).

It is interesting that the Arabic copies are selling like hotcakes.
An Arabic edition of Mein Kampf has been published by Bisan publishers in Lebanon.

A new Turkish edition was reported to be a bestseller in Turkey in 2005

That is all I know.. not sure I ever want to know anymore.

P.S. I am not a Nazi..no matter what the "muslims" tell you. Just a very good student.

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Yes thank you..Good to be

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-03-02 00:43.

Yes thank you..Good to be Back!

Keeping this short as I may have gone a little over on the other response, and tip toeing past Paul Belien because of it! *waving hi*

Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

We should be concerned !

Submitted by Balder on Wed, 2006-03-01 20:13.

63% of the palestines support violent attacks and rioting against the Muhammed cartoons. http://www.jp.dk/udland/artikel:aid=3587188/
40% of the Muslims in UK wants the sharia law implemented.
9/11 Muslims celabrated in the streets of Copenhagen after the attack on World Trade centre.
Gay pride parade attacked by Muslims in Copenhagen.
Jews better stay away from certain areas of Copenhagen with high Muslim concentration, according to the spokes man of the police in Copenhagen.

Re: We should be concerned!

Submitted by uknugget on Wed, 2006-03-01 21:04.

You really don't get it, do you?

How about these "Stats"? (Fabricated as an example - but highly probable):

63% of Neo-con Bush supporting Christians want the death penalty for abortion doctors

40% Catholics want the dogma on a broad range of issues, including women's equality, sexuality, AIDS prevention, the Church's inadequate response to sexual abuse by priests and religious, and freedom of conscience. Toronto Police Become Tool for Enforcing Catholic Dogma.

Iraq War II : Pictures of broken and battered dead people in Iraq celebrated on the front pages of newspapers in the streets of western world.

Gay pride parade attacked by Christians all over the world.

Muslims stay away from certain areas of their own towns for fear of being shot by Jewish settlers in Palestine.

If you seek the sickest elements from any society and emphasise it, you can EASILY incite hatred against them. Some of these dispicable articles on Muslims are no different. Just a sense of proportion would be nice, okay?

RE: Re We should be concerned !

Submitted by Balder on Wed, 2006-03-01 21:51.

I don't want to comment on your frabricated examples, it's a waste of time.

The problem is that 63% of the palestines are the sickest elements. 40% of the UK Muslims that wants Sharia. How does that match your sense of proportions ?

Sunday Telegraph Gets Worse and Worse

Submitted by Voyager on Tue, 2006-02-28 09:26.

This is a "poll" coonducted on a sample size of 500 - no doubt outside Finsbury Park Mosque.

The Sunday Telegraph should stop fishing for wild headlines n a 500 sample it is statistically flawed and frankly mendacious. The media in Britain is bizarre: one minute they don't publish cartoons but the next they promote extremist agendas as if they are mainstream. Why the new editor Sarah Sands does such daft stuff I know not.

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2006/Sunday%20Telegraph%20-%20Mulim...

Try this for methodology:

ICM interviewed a random sample of 500 Muslim people by telephone between 14-16th February 2006. Muslim people were initially identified from a much larger sample of all adults interviewed on large scale random telephone surveys conducted by ICM. Those who said they are Muslim were re-interviewed for this survey. In order to achieve the sample of 500, some respondents were asked for the telephone numbers of another Muslim. In all 43 interviews were achieved in this way. The data has been weighted to the profile of British Muslims according to the 2001 Census. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

Mass rapes in Denmark.

Submitted by Balder on Tue, 2006-02-28 02:14.

In year 2000 after a serie of mass rapes in Denmark. The last was a 14 year old Danish girl that was raped by 7 young immigrants.

http://www.dr.dk/tv/tv-fakta/debatten/arkiv2000/001019rb3.htm (In Danish)

Mehmet Necef from South Danish University makes the following comment: In the Arabic culture women keeps away from public spaces if they don't have any reason for being there. They don't walk out at night without any companionship. Mehmet Necef thinks that the behaviour of the Danish girls can challenge young boys with imigration background. The young Danish girls and the young immigrants can make a dangerous cocktail. This cocktail has exploded 3 times during the last year.

I guess evil imigrant rapist saw the young girls as guilty, because they didn't follow the Sharia law and stayed inside and covered themself up in a burka.

We had many of cases like this. Combined with 911 and the murder of the Dutch artist Theo Van Gogh we now have a right wing goverment in Denmark. The oppinion polls gives the patriotic Danish People Party almost 20% of the votes. The Goverment and it's backers are standing strong. The Islamophile are loosing ground.

I happened in Denmark to several times.

Submitted by Balder on Tue, 2006-02-28 01:10.

We also had some nasty group rape cases against minors in Denmark, where persons of middle east origin commited multiple rapes against young girls.

But in Sweden the press will not write anything about those cases as it's not political correct.

The authorities made a report on how the Muslims looked at Danish girls. The conclussion was that the Muslim youth saw the Danish women as prostitutes because they didn't dress properly accourding to Islam. The previous Islamophile goverment tried to stop the report but the conclusions leaked.
It's easy to see that Muslims that recognize Scandinavian women as prostitutes because they don't wear a burka/veil loose the respect and therfore find it easy to commit rape.

Nobody can accept Sharia - maybe a goat !

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Mon, 2006-02-27 22:16.

Nobody in civilized country can support the Muslims Sharia Law. Why ? since it's only supporting one religion's "missing" social values.

If any civilized country accept Sharia - they would also have to accept torture to punish people. In Nigeria there is several example, how Sharia works. If a woman is raped by a member of her family. It's very often the woman who get stoned (and get a death penalty).

In a state where justice, and freedom and democracy are our foundation, we shall never allow a single religion to implement their own standards.

An example can we read today on BBC's website, where a man in a Muslim country was forced to marry a goat !

Source:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm

Ontario rejected Sharia law

Submitted by foreign devil on Mon, 2006-02-27 16:16.

Sharia is not to be contemplated. Not only is it unevenly enforced but the punishment for infractions varies from imam to imam and though Muslims will wax poetic over the benefits of sharia it's all bad, particularly for women. Don't even CONSIDER partial sharia for Muslims only or for 'family law' cases only as they wished to do in Ontario, Canada. Dalton McGuinty rightly saw through the ruse of 'partial sharia' for Muslims only as being the camel's nose inside the tent of Canadian justice which is based on Roman Law. Never the twain shall meet.

Canadian law

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-27 17:33.

inside the tent of Canadian justice which is based on Roman Law.

..... in Quebec, and on English common law in the rest of Canada!

The tradition of civil law is quite different. It is based on Roman law, which had been scattered about in many places – in books, in statutes, in proclamations – until the Emperor Justinian ordered his legal experts to consolidate all the laws into a single book to avoid confusion. Ever since, the civil law has been associated with a “civil code.” Quebec’s Civil Code, first enacted in 1866 just before Confederation and amended periodically, was recently thoroughly revised. Like all civil codes, such as the Code Napoléon in France, it contains a comprehensive statement of rules, many of which are framed as broad, general principles, to deal with any dispute that may arise. Unlike common-law courts, courts in a civil-law system first look to the Code, and then refer to previous decisions for consistency.

The two meanings of the civil law
The term “civil law” is used to mean two quite different things, which can be a little confusing at first for people trying to understand the justice system. Sometimes the term is used in contrast to “common law” to refer to the legal system that is based on a civil code, such as the Justinian Code or the Civil Code of Quebec. In its other sense, civil law refers to matters of private law as opposed to public law, and particularly criminal law, which is concerned with harm to society at large. It is usually clear from the context which type of civil law is intended.

The Quebec Act of 1774 made Canada a “bijural” country, one with two types of law. The Quebec Act stated that common law was to be applied outside Quebec in matters of private law, while similar matters in Quebec were to be dealt with under Civil Code law. For public law, on the other hand, the common law was to be used in and outside Quebec.

http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/dept/pub/just/03.html

Bob Doney