From the desk of Elaib Harvey on Thu, 2007-11-29 14:40
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Thu, 2007-12-06 11:48.
"Your prediction about Khartoum is a bit too easy".
I may be wrong but I don't believe we've heard the last of the teddy bear saga.Indeed,I think it likely that it will morph into something similar to what happened following the false reports of Koran flushing at 'Gitmo',and the release of this film could prove to be the catalyst i.e. excuse for this bizarre development -Only time will tell.
Submitted by marcfrans on Thu, 2007-12-06 03:58.
Your prediction about Khartoum is a bit too easy.
Also, the reference you presented is a bit outdated. The claim is made that Hirsi Ali is living in the USA. My understanding is that she has returned to the Netherlands after the Dutch government refused to pay for the costs of maintaining her safety in the US (which had been a condition for her 'acceptance' by the US authorities).
But, your reference makes clear that there is now another high profile case of a threathened person being evicted by his neighbors from an appartment building. If the Dutch court sides again with the neighbors (as it did in the Hirsi Ali case), what does that tell us about the state of morality in Holland? Instead of supporting neighbors threathened by islamo-fascists, appartment dwellers AND judicial authorities apparently are siding against the actual victims. This is similar to what was happening to jews in Germany in the mid-1930's.
Could it be that the moral virtue of "courage" has been replaced by a new 'virtue' of "appeasement" in the Dutch public education system and media?
Submitted by atheling on Thu, 2007-12-06 04:34.
"Could it be that the moral virtue of "courage" has been replaced by a new 'virtue' of "appeasement" in the Dutch public education system and media?"
That seems to be the pattern of the last century... In the 1930s we saw how appeasement was the order of the day when Hitler rose to power...
I recall the preamble to Manchester's "The Last Lion" where he described the British press and Neville's government as "craven" in the face of Nazi Germany, and how they had to look backwards to the old Victorian standards embodied by Churchill:
"...England's new leader, were he to prevail, would have to stand for everything that England's decent, civilized Establishment had rejected. They viewed Adolph Hitler as the product of complex social and historical forces. Their successor would have to be a passionate Manichaean who saw the world as a medieval struggle to the death between the powers of good and the powers of evil, who held that individuals are responsible for their actions and that the German dictator was therefore wicked..."
Submitted by atheling on Thu, 2007-12-06 04:10.
My understanding is that Ms. Hirsi Ali is back in the States after her return to the Netherlands and has started up a fund to assist her with the costs of personal security - a very American thing to do - as she is not relying on the State any longer but only by her own means and with whatever charity individuals may wish to contribute:
I also suspect that her whereabouts (USA? Netherlands?) is deliberately obfuscated for reasons I'm sure you understand. Personally, I'd rather be in the US because there are fewer Muslim and more secluded and private areas where she can hide. She would also be able to easily purchase guns for her own protection... I would hope that if she does, that she would develop proficiency in armed personal protection.
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-12-05 22:58.
I don't suppose this news is going to go down too well in the Sudan either.
A New Year topic for discussion here at the BJ do you think?
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Sun, 2007-12-02 13:16.
Quote from the Telegraph newspaper (UK).
British Muslims yesterday protested outside the Sudanese embassy in London over Mrs Gibbons' treatment.The small but noisy group chanted "Free,free Gillian" and "Let her go,let her go", and attempted to hand over a "goodwill teddy" to the embassy.A staff member refused to accept the gift.
The Sudanese government now plans to run workshops for overseas teachers to explain how to avoid offending the Muslim faith.
[ Workshop? They'll probably end up studying fo a Ph D :) ].
Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2007-12-02 19:52.
"British Muslims yesterday protested outside the Sudanese embassy in London over Mrs Gibbons' treatment.The small but noisy group chanted "Free,free Gillian" and "Let her go,let her go", and attempted to hand over a "goodwill teddy" to the embassy.A staff member refused to accept the gift."
Well, I'm pleasantly surprised.
Submitted by anglicus on Sat, 2007-12-01 20:45.
Submitted by Norman Conquest 304 on Fri, 2007-11-30 18:48.
Judge for yourself: the less Mr Harvey writes, the better it is.
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Fri, 2007-11-30 18:38.
Mrs Gibbons should have chosen a name for the teddy bear herself.Personally,I'd have named him "Omdurman". :)
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Fri, 2007-11-30 17:35.
I t is reported that thousands of people have marched in the Sudanese capital Khartoum to call for UK teacher Gillian Gibbons to be SHOT...
Marchers chanted "Shame,shame on the UK," "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her,kill her by firing squad".
Meanwhile, Gillian Gibbons's own son issued the following statement,"I don't want the verdict to lead to any ant- feelings towards Muslims.Everyone has been very nice,but one of my fears,and I imagine my mother's also,will be that this results in any resentment towards Muslim people".
Are we witnessing here a new phenomenon,namely, the first recorded case of what one might call Khartoum Syndrome?
Submitted by atheling on Fri, 2007-11-30 23:07.
"Are we witnessing here a new phenomenon,namely, the first recorded case of what one might call Khartoum Syndrome?"
Well, we can be sure that the response won't parallel that of Chinese Gordon's... :(
Submitted by atheling on Fri, 2007-11-30 18:05.
"I don't want the verdict to lead to any ant- feelings towards Muslims.Everyone has been very nice,but one of my fears,and I imagine my mother's also,will be that this results in any resentment towards Muslim people".
Pardon my "french", but WTF???
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Fri, 2007-11-30 13:19.
It would be interesting to know what millions of Muslim children the world over name their favourite cuddly toys in the privacy of their own imaginations.
Submitted by atheling on Fri, 2007-11-30 18:07.
"It would be interesting to know what millions of Muslim children the world over name their favourite cuddly toys in the privacy of their own imaginations."
Don't know that, but I do have a friend who named his dog "Mohammed"... :)
Submitted by Aisling on Fri, 2007-11-30 10:08.
There's a lovely irony in this story. Whenever a non-Muslim or ex-Muslim makes fun of Islam and shows up its most ridiculous aspects, somebody in the Muslim world slaps a fatwa on him, angry crowds burn flags, Westerners get attacked, whole countries are threatened with economic boycott, etc. This time, they've done it all themselves. They've managed to make their religion look totally ridiculous without any of us having to fire a single shot. All we have to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Great!
Submitted by lewis on Fri, 2007-11-30 08:55.
The Teddy bear was named after US president Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt. Reportedly, he didn't like the fact that cute stuffed animals were named after him or being called Teddy. Yet, somehow, he never got anyone flogged or jailed for it.
Submitted by Bruno on Thu, 2007-11-29 17:21.
If you consider the viciously violent behaviour of the same-name "prophet", it seems strange to even think to give this name to a cool, cute teddy bear...
Submitted by Armor on Thu, 2007-11-29 14:40.