Shame on Britain


Appeasing British authorities who chose not to react to Muslim fanatics, would do well to ponder Winston Churchill’s words “England has been offered a choice between war and shame. She has chosen shame and will get war.” Moderate Muslims are appalled at what happened in London.


On Saturday, Asghar Bukhari, chairman of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said the demonstration in London on Friday should have been stopped by police because the group had been advocating violence.

And here is Churchill’s view on Islam (from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-50. London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899):

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

(hat tip: Dariusz Bogdanski)



To Army Scout!

If you are going to make me hurt myself laughing, could you please slow down. I need to take a breath in between galloping gulps of mirth! There that is better!

* wipes tears from eyes and blows my nose*

Now you may continue... thank you!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To Army Scout

You are so mean to nerwin..How could you?
Oh yes, I do understand! *wiping tears from my eyes* But try to calm down because they cannot string together a coherent thought in their tiny minds. And remember there is a more than likely a man, big, strong and extremely ugly telling her what to type. For all you know it could be that guy who cannot have children or that guy what is his name. He cannot spell to save his own life. Is incohrent almost all of the time, and rambles as if he was preaching at a Debbie does Dallas movie set. His mouth is running like diarrhea but no one is listening. But seriously, vermin.. I mean nervin does not mean any harm. She just does not know any better.Just think of the guy with saddam hussein mustache, huge hairy forewarms and telling her what to write. Now see, does that not make you feel better. Besides nerwit is a person too!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

with regard One who does not have one

"Submitted by Onenoson on Mon, 2006-02-06 07:52.
What i did understand from your message
that you well know about Muslims COCKS

*whispered to Army Scout* "Look I cannot be sure, but is that guy who cannot have kids just "out himself online". I have heard about that, but thought they usually try to tell their parents first! My guess is he is the bottom. And all that time I thought he
was so vanilla and not into leather at all. Just goes to show you!"

Odin be Praised! Baldur save Us!

hey asshole ninja armyscout45

do not pick on woman nermim es woman they did learn you that in the state remember there woman has big value....but sure your an asian who a jab did our mom sister and grandmother well that you look more jab than asshole asian.....and asian do not let muslims there but let the japanese did them well very well very badly .......
the chines are better of with the muslims than you read the fact they do hate muslims they deal with them for the oil asshole...they hate the gots of the us and europpean japanese child bastard did you ask latly your whore momy and sister assshole...while the japanese was fucking her your father was watching and enjoing
and by the way picking on women motherfucker is in your asian tradional chines culture woman count as a piece a shit like your whore japanese cock sucking momy..........
tell het my best wishes did creat a bastard son like you with the chinese mentality and japanese brutality.............
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to the hypocrites

In Uk after princess Diana death, they outrage on the media an d the press and wanted to make laws which save the personal life of celebrities and royal family members ..
In france recently prince albert f monaco sued paris match mazasien for publishing a true story about his secret son and he won the case and the magazine apologized in its front page in the same place where it published the same true story about him before .not only this but the magazine will pay him money as compensation(The prince successfully sued Paris Match for invasion of privacy, and last week the magazine was fined €50,000 in damages, plus costs) Q.f.the guardian. …
For whoever want to get assured see this link:,3604,1521232,00.html
so there is no absolute freedom of speech as you all claim….
So can anyone tell me where is the freedom of speech not France is present in Europe tooo or is it transferred and we donot know..
Again double standard measures and genuine hate and arrogance toward anything which is related to islam and muslims..
Can any one reply to me

You've posted this at least

You've posted this at least 3 times now ... Well Albert felt unfairly treated by the press, and he went to court. There are laws that protect our privacy, he used them. Muslims could go to court as well...
Instead you have this child with "whoever insults a prophet, kill him". Do you know what that means? Have you sincerely for even a few seconds thought about what is being said by these protesters? Do you know what it means to kill someone? Is this the result of praying 4 or 5 times a day?

Question to Narmin

Could you answer me one question please. Would in the Caliphate, all Muslims are willing to build, discussion like this be possible on public forum? Because certainly would be in the society we are trying to build. And this website serves for it as well. We have doubts, we don’t have all answers, we are seeking them. We learnt that simple solutions and answers get through revelations are lightly speaking at least dangerous.

To nermin and bashar,

Sure nermin, I am not afraid to reply to you. This is the third time I have posted this with still no reply from you.

It's all about the type of response relative to the offense.
It is not about a double standard but the type of response.

The Religion of PEACE uses VIOLENCE when insulted. Does that not seem like a contradiction to you?

I remember something from Jesus, another prophet highly respected by Islam, that said something about "turning the other cheek". How do you explain how two prophets from Allah could have two significantly different messages?

Bottom Line:
We non-Muslims may get offended and boycott or burn flags or go to court or whatever but we do NOT kill because of being offended.

As noted above, "you stressed very valid point – our system is not perfect and very often leads to controversial cases. But our culture based on European values let us deal with them peacefully". I could not say it better myself.

But the Muslim protests and threats of suicide bombers/death threats are now nicely demonstrating where the cartoonist's idea of showing Mohammed with a bomb on his head originated from. I don't believe mankind had bombs back in the 7th century!

Or how would you explain where the cartoonist's could ever have gotten this idea?

When Muslims put the Prophet on a pedestal, they are engaging in idolatry. The point of monotheism is to worship one God, not one of God's emissaries. Which is why humility requires people of faith to mock themselves - and each other - every once in a while. The difference between Muslims and non-Muslims is that when Muslims are offended, THEY THREATEN TO KILL!

Please explain the Islamic teaching of reacting with violence to personal insult. Even when Mohammed has been insulted.

By the way, is it an insult to respectfully depict Allah in a picture?

Or how about Mohammed in a respectful a way?

If it is still disrespectful, is death also the punishment?

There have been an awful lot of old and respectful pictures of Mohammed (face and all) showing up on the internet so this would appear to be not a new phenomenum.

Very respecful, I would say.

I am sure the Quran must thoroughly explain the answers to these very important questions. So please feel free to give details. And also, can you please make sure it is accurately translated from Arabic and in full context so there can be no misunderstandings. Thank you.

As honorable Muslims that I know you must be, I am sure you will answer my questions.

Thank you very much!


to mtk2006 from nermin

Iam willing to answer any inqyiries from you or anyone who speak in a decent way not that ugly rude and vulgar ways..
First,there is no difference between on eprophet an danother because all came an dsent and have been chosen from the same god who is the one god ,the creator ,the master of the what you said Christ said is mentioned an d said and stressed many times by the prophet mohamad and also in quran…so the prophet said : love for others what you love for yourself….also he said treat people in the way you want to be treated..the prophet said, whoever hurt a Christian or ajew , I am (mmeanin himself, the prophet) will be with the side of that jew or Christian on the day of resurrection..meaning h ewill defend an dget from the muslim to that jew of christains hurted in this life by this Muslims…
He also said muslim must not say ugly or vulgar words .
He also said that the muslim must meet others with a nice smile and this smile will be regarded as a charity , the muslim will be rewarded for..
The talks of eth prophet are so so many an dif you need more I am ready to provide u with more.
Then we come to quran where you can find a versus in quran which you will never fin din any other holy which allah says; whoever make one human soul alive as if he makes all human alive an dwho kill on eliving soul as if kills all living souls …so
You cannot say under any condition that islam or quran invite people to violence an dkilling..
Then another versus in which Allah speaks to Muslims an dhow they behave in war with non believers who attack muslim country .allah says whenever they show( disbelievers) any tendency to peace.., direct or show tendency to peace..
The prophet also ordered the Muslims not to kill a woman or an old man or a child an dnot even to cut a tree.
The prophet himself suffered so many insults from disbelievers pagans and he never tried to even return their words in ugly manner .and Muslim never killed any disbelievers for all 13 years till they migrate and disbelievers launched a war aiming in eradicating islam and Muslims..
If the prophet was present today he will prevent Muslim from attacking embassies or burning it because this is not his attitudes and never be .taht is why today in Lebanon a muslim religion man said that it is forbidden for any muslim to attack embassies..
But you can suppose over 1.5 billions Muslims half of them are young people and who are already provoked from many things you know very well an d which are all supported by the west to behave with cold blood or according to islam ethics …yes in caliphat there was freedom of speech and every thing fine and you must assured of that as islam lived a golden ages for 1000 years and you cannot think that Muslims at that time were oppressed while they were building and doing research .
That is why muslism now whenever they have the chance to elect their leader in democratic way, they chose him on religious basis because , religion is slicked in their mind to those muslim leader who ruled muslim in those golden times..where leader were honest and not corrupted and their only concern was their people not their posts.
The photos yu said of eth prophet are individual acts made by non Muslims an deven if it was done by Muslims ,but it is nonsense as it is not the rule as you will never find any of it in any Muslim house , shop or public place an dnot to be sold or shown in any Islamic country. we are not like Christians who put these photos in church and approve it..
Not depicting the prophet Mohamed or any prophets does not mean that they we worship them …or mix things up …no allah forbidden .but we like to put them in a way of imagination in a decent respected way…it is not fine at all, to bring this actor to make a role of the prophet in a film then next day I see him in bar dancing, drinking or gambling or has a rumor concerning reputation.. you do not deny that sometimes when actors play the role of even some historical characters. we see and imagine this historical characters sticked to that actor all his life..this is not suitable …then the prophet was said to be nice and good looking and those wicked cartoonists intended to depicts him in an evil way so they are evil and liars too….anyway we don't depict him in anyway to be always in ur imagination in a the most fine way. I was reading a novel then I discovered that there a photos drawn for the hero ,when I saw the photo I didn't like to continue reading it as my imagination was better of course.
But noone still gave me any logic reply about what I posted about pay match and French minister.i wish u see my comment and looking forward hearing from u.

To nermin,

1. Thank you for your reply. Your reply was very interesting. I must go now but will respond when I return later tonight.

2. "nermin said: can u all read the adjacent article on your left hand and give comments."

nermin, can you be more specific about which article you are referring to above?


I can see you are an honorable man seeking answers. We all here are also seeking answers as well.


Re: to the hypocrites

Nermin - Do you see your lack of proportions? Calling for killing people, burning embassies, glorifying mass murder vs. law suits! There are many useful idiots in our society but I hope that your post is just a provocation to discussion. These people have been applying similar arguments to communist China and Russia blindly believing in their good will.

You stressed very valid point – our system is not perfect and very often leads to controversial cases. But our culture based on European values let us deal with them peacefully, not avoiding mistakes of course but still not using guns and fire bombs. Easy to forget that there are many we have to stand against to defend it.

Overall, sense of humour is something giving us so often necessary perspective. Individuals may lack it, but if this is all groups than only analogy can I see is with totalitarian states. Please try to answer yourself in which countries or among which groups free satire does not exist and cabarets were converted into temples of one infallible idea.

Wall Street Journal article

"But what really sealed the Danes' fate--and possibly Europe's--was the lack of solidarity from other governments. The European Union likes to call "emergency meetings" for the most trivial topics, from farm subsidies to VAT rates. But when one of their smallest members came under attack for nothing else than being a European country, for defending the values and norms the EU is based on, there was nothing but silence from Europe's capitals. That silence has been heard and understood in the Muslim world."

The whole article:

Extremists cannot be bought off

The European establishment thought it could buy off the Islamofascist movement if it opposed Israel and the USA. They operated under the same assumption in 1938 when they attempted to buy off the Nazis by giving them a few chunks of Europe. The elites were wrong both times. Extremists cannot be bought off, they must be defeated.

The Statesman

Great quoting. I am an admirer of Churchill. He lived in different times but saw many things of relevance that many people today have not yet understood.

Were he alive today - he would be the adversary number one of political correctness.