The Betrayal of Denmark (and of Us All)
From the desk of Paul Belien on Sun, 2006-02-12 21:14
A local newspaper in Jutland (ever heard of Jutland before?), a rural area of Denmark (one of Europe’s smallest nations, with a language spoken by barely 5 million people) published twelve drawings. Some were simple portraits of a man with Arab features, some poked fun at the newspaper itself, and barely a handful were caricatures of Muhammad, the prophet of the Muslims – hardly offensive by Western standards.
It is true that the Western press has been grossly offensive to religious people in the past, mocking their beliefs and morals, hurting their feelings, insulting them. From the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times, the dominant media have never been squeamish about giving offense.
Anyone who sees the twelve Danish pictures [see them here, halfway down the page] wonders what all the fuss is about. However, most people do not get to see them as they have been censored in the major information sources, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times. The drawings were so inoffensive that when they were originally published last September there was no outcry, not even in Egypt where they were republished in October. Only when fanatical imams travelled from Denmark to Arabia, with suitcases containing three grossly offensive bogus cartoons which they had added to the original twelve – and only when these imams told people that these were the offensive Danish cartoons, so offensive that no-one was allowed to see them – only then Islamic mobs went on a rampage. Four months after the original drawings had been published in Jutland.
Guess who immediately appeared on the scene, adding fuel to the fire by explicitly confirming that the three bogus cartoons were the original ones? The BBC! And guess who is still refusing to show the world the twelve, hardly offensive original drawings? The BBC! Meanwhile courageous local journalists and publishers who had reprinted the cartoons to show that they were hardly offensive are lingering in jail in countries such as Jordania and Yemen.
This weekend the cartoons returned from Arabia to Europe. Muslim immigrants staged protests in various European towns, from Berlin to London, to Brussels, Amsterdam and Paris [where two brave men “trod on 1.5 billion Muslims”], protesting against cartoons which over four months ago they had failed to notice. Last Saturday five hundred Muslims gathered on Antwerp’s main square, in the shadow of the Cathedral of Our Lady and below the statue of Peter Paul Rubens, to turn to Mecca and pray. It was a peaceful gathering that had been called by the imams. After the meeting angry “youths” left the prayer meeting to terrorize the city with shouts of “Allah is great!” The imams said that the youths’ behaviour was not their responsibility, as they had called for “respect.”
We do not recall any prayer meetings called by the imams on Antwerp’s main square after 9/11, after the Madrid bombings, after the London bombings. However, the Antwerp imams felt compelled to pray in public on Antwerp’s central square because... more than four months ago a paper in Jutland had published twelve drawings. What is the point of all this? None other, surely, than to show the citizens of Antwerp that they are the boss now in Europe, while we are the intimidated natives, the dhimmis, the slaves.
Last Friday Jyllands-Posten [The Jutland Post], the paper that published the original drawings, ran a remarkable article “Man pisser på os” by Per Nyholm, one of its journalists. Here it is, translated for you into English by one of our Danish readers. This is how the Danes feel today:
We are being pissed upon
I think it was the long departed H.C. Hansen, one of the great Danish statesmen of the last century, who – as the communists were demonstrating in front of Christiansborg [the Danish Parliament] – cast his gaze across the palace square and remarked: “I will not be pissed upon.”
Then he did what was necessary.
I feel that currently my beloved country is being pissed upon rather too much. Denmark has not been neglecting its duties on the international stage. We have supported poor people with acts and advice, we have worked for peace, we have sent soldiers, policemen and experts to all the far flung corners of the world. We have democracy, a rule of law and a welfare state. Not all is perfect, but we harbor no malice towards our fellow men.
And yet Denmark is being pissed upon. The spokesman of the US State Department is pissing on Denmark, the British Secretary of Foreign Affairs is pissing on Denmark, the President of Afghanistan is pissing on Denmark, the Government of Iraq is pissing on Denmark, other Muslim regimes are pissing on Denmark. In Gaza, where Danes for years have provided humanitarian aid, crazed Imams encourage people to cut off the hands and heads of the cartoonists who made the drawings of Mohammed for the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.
Excuse my choice of words, but all this pissing is pissing me off.
What is going on? I am not referring so much to the threats against Danish citizens and Danish commerce. Nor to the burnt down Embassies. I am thinking of a word that keeps popping up whenever the Mohammed cartoons are mentioned.
That word is BUT. A sneaky word. It is used to deny or qualify what one has just said.
How many times lately have we not heard people of power, the Opinion Makers and others say that of course we have freedom of speech, BUT.
They have said it, all of them, from Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, to our own Bendt Bendtsen [a Danish Politician]. Once we had to be sensitive to the easily hurt feelings of the Nazis, then came the Communists, now it is the Islamists. The reason I say ‘Islamists’ is that I do not for a moment believe all the world’s Muslims are pissing on us. I think we are dealing with thugs, fools and misled people. Those are the ones we have to deal with, and then the chickenshit politicians.
The cartoons are no longer something Jyllands-Posten can control. They have already been manipulated and misrepresented to the point that few know what is going on and fewer know how to stop it. This affair is artifically being kept buoyant in a sea of lies, suppressions of the truth, misconceptions, lunacy and hypocrisy, for which this newspaper bears no blame. The only thing Jyllands-Posten did was provide a pin-prick which has made a boil of nastiness erupt. This would have happened sooner or later. That it happened more than four months after the publication of the cartoons, raises a question of its own. Are we dealing with random events or with a staged clash of civilizations? One might hope for the former yet be prepared to expect the latter.
That is why I say: Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech. There is no but.
Initially I was doubtful of the timeliness of publishing the cartoons. Later events have convinced me that it was both just and useful to do so. That they are consistent with Danish law and Danish custom seem to me less important than this: that we now know that remote, primitive countries deem themselves justified in telling us what to do. Unfortunately we must also note that governments close to us are agreeing with them in the name of expedience.
It was right and just for this newspaper to launch an offensive for Freedom of Speech, and useful, as we have now acquired new knowledge. Welcome to a brave new world where even our Prime Minister – in spite of his laudable firmness – must gaze out upon a scorched political landscape. True, his friend in Washington, George Bush, has uttered the customary condemnation of the torching of our embassies, but his State Department alludes to us as being the guilty ones in this case. The suggestion that Danish troops might contribute to democratization is buried under the charred remains of our diplomatic representations in Beirut and Damascus.
Perhaps it is time we started mopping up this mess. Perhaps Editor-in-Chief Carsten Juste ought to remove his apology which has gone stale sitting so long on the front page of our internet edition and which does not seem to interest the madmen. Perhaps our government ought to announce to Mona Omar Attia, the strange Ambassador of Egypt, that she is persona non grata.
Perhaps the ambassadors that have been called home to fictitious consultations in the Middle East should be told that they may spare themselves the cost of the return ticket.
In so far as possible The Lying Imams probably ought to be expelled. And then we ought to make an effort to support those Muslims who in a difficult situation have proven themselves to be true Citizens.
We, for our part, have no wish to be a burden to the Arab governments. We will happily withdraw our soldiers, policemen and diplomats. If they think our money smells, we will retract our aid. Our trade must make do as well as it can. We promise to not bear a grudge and, in time, we will be glad to return, but we are through with the hypocrisy. We have better things to do than being pissed upon at our own expense.
Cut down our activities in the Middle East. The world holds plenty of other opportunities.

The Danes are pissed-off, and so are we. “Freedom of Expression is Western Terrorism” proclaimed a banner that Muslim fanatics were carrying in one of their protest demonstrations this weekend. The behaviour of the dominant media last week, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times, indicates that there may be some truth in this. They only defend freedom of speech when they can abuse free speech to piss on us, Westerners, on our religion, on our traditions, on our values. When it is time to defend freedom of speech against those that want to enslave us they are not to be heard.
Not to be heard, either, were the Western governments that went to war to liberate Iraq from the tyrant Saddam. Is it easier to send American and British soldiers to their deaths to liberate Iraq than to speak a few simple words in defense of freedom at home? Is this the kind of “solidarity” Washington and London exhibit towards their Danish ally, whose soldiers are also dying in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Last Friday Srdja Trifkovic, the foreign editor of the American paleo-conservative magazine Chronicles, wrote:
Denmark’s government, her media and the public at large, continue to defy the prevalent spirit of Western decrepitude by refusing to eat humble pie over some half-dozen mildly satirical cartoons of Muhammad, the inventor of Islam. Every American by now has heard about those cartoons, but very few have actually seen, thanks to our mainstream media’s strange view of what actually constitutes “all the news fit to print.” […] It looks like there will be no apology coming from Copenhagen, however, no matter how many Danish consulates burn in Dar al Islam, or how resolutely Iranians and others pursue their announced boycott of Danish products […] The U.S. State Department, by contrast, has effectively sided with Jihad by condemning the newspapers in Denmark, Norway, and elsewhere in Europe that have published those cartoons. […] We are witnessing the ongoing delusion at Foggy Bottom about the effect U.S. appeasement will have on the Muslim world. If the State Department believes that it will earn some brownie points for America in the streets of Cairo or Peshawar by betraying the Danes, it is merely repeating Clinton’s Balkan folly of the 1990s and Brzezinski’s Afghan blowback a decade earlier; and “not to learn from history is to be a child for ever” (Cicero).
For once the State Department finds itself in alliance with that other paleo, Pat Buchanan, whose February 8 article “Secularist stupidity and religious wars” led one of my European friends, an admirer of Mr Buchanan, to write to me: “I thought I was a paleo-conservative, but with a leading figure like Buchanan I am beginning to doubt this. There are very good arguments for non-interventionism. But he should be consistent and condemn the Arab intervention in the West, too.”
“What was the purpose of this juvenile idiocy?” Mr Buchanan asks about those who reprinted the Muhammad drawings:
Is this what freedom of the press is all about – the freedom to insult the faith of a billion people and start a religious war? […] Did Europeans learn nothing from the Salman Rushdie episode? Or the firestorm that gripped the Islamic world when Christian ministers in the United States called Muhammad a “terrorist”?
Really? What lessons were we supposed to learn from the Salman Rushdie episode?
Mr Buchanan continues with some observations which we share, such as the hypocrisy of the West:
We have ‘speech codes’ in colleges and ”hate crimes” laws to protect minorities from abusive remarks. But newspapers that hail these codes throw a blanket of “artistic freedom” over scatological art that degrades religious symbols – from putting a figure of Christ in a jar of urine to a “painting” of the Virgin Mary surrounded by female genitalia and elephant dung that hung in a Brooklyn museum. What has happened in Europe is that the secular press, which loves to mock the beliefs and symbols of religious faith, has now insulted a deadly serious religion that answers insults with action.
We have a question for Mr Buchanan: Does the fact that the dominant media from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times – those cowards that refuse to republish the twelve original drawings – have offended our religion, our traditions, our values in the past, mean that we now have to submit to a “deadly serious religion that answers insults with” (and here Mr Buchanan employs a euphemism – something which he very rarely does) “action?”
Then the position adopted this week by The Weekly Standard is more courageous. It has republished the cartoons because, as Bill Kristol says in an editor’s note:
In light of recent instances of capitulation to the threats of radical Islamists, and in response to eloquent pleas by individuals like Walid-al-Kubaisi in Norway to publish the cartoons in order to protect freedom of expression, we wanted to do our small part to stand against intimidation by extremists.
In an article about the cartoon affair he writes:
The response of Western leaders hasn’t been particularly encouraging – with the notable exception of Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen of Denmark. Robert Frost said of liberals that they’re incapable of taking their own side in a fight.
This is not only true of Western leaders, but even more so of its dominant media, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times...
Just listen to yourself.....
Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:25.
"Foreign Devil"
The you say you do not hate others??
What I keep hearing from our leaders is that Islam is a religion of "peace"
It is becoming more and more obvious that it is a religion of hate and unforgiveness.
Listen to the hypocracy of your own words....
You are so hate filled and delusional you do not even see your hypocracy when you put it down in words...
Get you
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:05.
Now i get you , you are Racist and Xenophopic and i am sure that you have Anti-semitic direction,
Dear emeda30,
I'm beginning to get you too.
By the way I'm not an editor, here or anywhere else.
Best wishes,
Bob Doney
New York
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:57.
Your list not related to our Islam, mostly it is the list of American crimes in a state like New York
Nice try, but I think not!!!! Some of the names and places don't look like they're in New York State to me.
Bob Doney
to mr bob..you are just denying
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:13.
is that what u could say...
no logic as usuals ..just twisting words as if we are in a comic film...
who ignited civil war in iraq Mr....??.
they caught british intelligance implanting bombs in shea mosques to stick it to sunna..........
why we didnot hear about these things before invasion..no suicidal bombs, before...
is that the democray an d freedom you brought to iraq
Hi codymega
Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:47.
Interesting facts - I assume it's facts
Do you have a link?
Cheers
Gorm
as Bertrand Russell said
Submitted by grumpy on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:59.
as Bertrand Russell said "the worse the logic, the more interesting th eresults".
Logic
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:50.
If all the muslims are terrorists, it is logic to say that all Europeans are terrorists, and all jews are terrorists and all American are terrorists , and so on
No, you've lost me on this one. It's like saying: "If all bananas are yellow, then all oranges are yellow, all cherries are yellow and all plums are yellow."
And you seem to have stated a false premise, namely that "all the muslims are terrorists". Is that what you think, because I don't!?
Bob Doney
cody mega
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:42.
are not u just embarrssed when u come tomention iraq.
why these things hapedn in iraq after american invasion??////.
what about making a list of your dark ages and dark christian history of bloody war.
crusades.
imperialism of all islamic country.
those things started thousands years ago and still which prove well who u are...
you ignore world war I and II mt idiot..
who ignite them not muslims hha.
what about using our land which were occupied by u as battle field implanting those bombs under grounds whick kill on daily basis innocent people .you implanted millions of it..princes diana faile d with clinton tomake him sign fro no more of them...
you refuse to even aplogyize for it ..you refuse to share eeven in its removal...
who are the terosits here....
what about you Mr bob .your coutry implanted millions of them
to this cody an dall others
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:02.
i started to use word idiot ,ignorant an dfool after i saw what the low stnadard , vulgar languages u use....
this is my limits as muslim...
you can go an d check what kind of language these peoplearmyscout an d new believer ..with no denying from any of u civilized ....
and u get adavantage of us the muslims here who
donot mock any prophet even your christ and
not reply to u by your same nasty words.......how mean ...soooooo mean and shamless
Not as Mean
Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:18.
At least these people are not murdering others in the name of god!!!!!!!!!
Not as Mean
Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:18.
At least these people are not murdering others in the name of god!!!!!!!!!
to this cody mega
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:57.
3/4 os world hate islam ...because christians world consistute 2 million of taht world..
and why christians hate islam because islam is fast growing religion of the world..
and why it is fast growing because it is with harmony with logic mind..
and why it is with logic mind due to its morals principals, monothism and not conflicting with science..
that is why it attracts not only ordianry peopel but also intellectuals and university stuffs.
and taht is why islam is written on cuba hall of congress library .it is the only religion taht is mentioned there among names of ntions an dcountries which has wonderfull influence on humanity..
burning your flags only 35 years ago
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:11.
YOU HAVE BURNED OUR FLAG FOR 35 YEARS!!! PEACE ? LIES!!! MANY MANY CARTOONS FROM MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES HAVE INSULTED THE JEW AND THE CHRISTIAN, LONG BEFORE DENMARK. a religion of Peace ?? hahahaha...
this is what u said..
fine that u admitted here taht burning your flags started only 35 years ago.
did u ask yourself why?
really we are so patient ,polite and kind peopel so as not to burn your flages earlier than only 35 years ago.
question of Goethe
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:05.
The western nations are only trying to become the master of the Universe. But their souls have not found peace and rest.
Thomas Carlyle, struck by this philosophy of life writes "and then also Islam-that we must submit to God; that our whole strength lies in resigned submission to Him, whatsoever he does to us, the thing he sends to us, even if death and worse than death, shall be good, shall be best; we resign ourselves to God." The same author continues "If this be Islam, says Goethe, do we not all live in Islam?" Carlyle himself answers this question of Goethe and says "Yes, all of us that have any moral life, we all live so. This is yet the highest wisdom that heaven has revealed to our earth."
Lamartine,
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:02.
If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls. . . his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unity of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.
"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.
Astounding results
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:09.
If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad?
If.
Bob Doney
to mr Bob2
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:20.
u are embarrassed from your british soldiers ..are not u..
u are still since yesterday thinking about how to twist a reply...
i will relief u.
those soldiers who are supposed to belong an d represent the army of their civilized great country really reflects tthe culture and religion they come from ....
as corrupted catholic priests represent the churchs and the christianty u know.
u will say they are individuals not representing....
do u really believe yourself.
british sadists
Submitted by grumpy on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:19.
The case is under investigation. Can I tell you a different story: when Syrian troops briefly recovered the Golan in 1973, they cut off the penises of the Israeli soldiers they had surprised, and stuffed them in their mouths.
Don't take the trouble to answer, there is no answer.
And don't worry, I swear that this is the last time I reply to one of your messages. I must say that I know a lot more about Islam than I did 2 weeks ago. Thank you and goodbye.
to this grumpy
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:16.
it is also not an honor for me too that u reply to any of my post.
as u are not able due to your racist nature.
what about sharon killing of egyption prisoners of war in 1967..he admitted that proudly in a book.....
what about his massacres in sabr and shatila....
i hope that what u say about syrian doing is true as those sich raicst israelis deserve more than that.
what they are doing in golan any way?itis a syrian land isnot it....
you as usual want to occupy but expect kind treatment.......
you humilated jews in your country tehn imported them to us with thier sick souls.
then u still dare to speak.
Bottom Line
Submitted by mtk2006 on Tue, 2006-02-14 07:18.
DEATH THREATS AND VIOLENT PROTESTS ORIGINATING FROM HAVING
ONE’S RELIGION OR PROPHET DEPICTED AS BEING VIOLENT IS NOT
HYPOCRISY BUT A CONFIRMATION OF AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH IN IT’S
PUREST FORM.
*************
Tabari IX:69) “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Sick and racist
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:23.
i hope that what u say about syrian doing is true as those sich raicst israelis deserve more than that.
Careful now, or someone might accuse you of anti-Semitism.
Is this the kind of peaceful thought and speech recommended by your religion?
Bob Doney
Embarrassed
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:33.
u are embarrassed from your british soldiers ..are not u.. No, I'm not. I expect they will be caught and punished.
u are still since yesterday thinking about how to twist a reply... No.
i will relief u. Of what?
those soldiers who are supposed to belong an d represent the army of their civilized great country really reflects tthe culture and religion they come from ... Do they?
as corrupted catholic priests represent the churchs and the christianty u know.
u will say they are individuals not representing.... But you deny that Muslims perpetrating violence represent Islam. You can't have it both ways.
do u really believe yourself What a very strange question!
Bob Doney
to Mr Bob no punishment as usual
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:28.
is that supposed of being a reply or twisting words as usual . and to your knowledage mr wh say that those british soldiers willbe punished ..only to your knowledage...this event an dthis video is taken two years a go..
where is the punishment then ?.
can you reply or as usual?.
Punishment as usual
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:01.
this event an dthis video is taken two years a go..
where is the punishment then ?.
The usual process is that allegations are made, investigations are carried out, people are charged, a court hearing is held, and then punishment is dealt out to the guilty. The punishment can't be made until the end of this process. As far as I am aware the allegations have only just been made as a result of a British newspaper - using its right of free expression - publicising them yesterday.
Bob Doney
to Mr Paul Belien
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:00.
Mr Paul Belien :
Please would you send an invitation to everyone here in this site so as not to use vulgar, indecent words.i cannot recommend this site now to anyone due to low standard words used here.it is type of words which cannot be presented in many of your TV during day time ..
t o Mr Bob
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:57.
i did not hear from u about your british soldiers who suffer from sadism.
here u all calim that u are civlized europeans while only muslims are the bad one...
you want to do whatever u want, occupying ,burning, destroying, breaking dignity of nations, stealing history but you donot any response and yet call whoever terroist..
do u like yourself..
are you satisfied on yourself.
i would like to recieve precise reply
Precise reply
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:05.
here u all calim that u are civlized europeans while only muslims are the bad one...
No, I don't.
Bob Doney
Yes you are terorist
Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:51.
Palestine is occupied because Israel was atacked by you terrorists. Sorry but they defended themselves, kicked some ass and taught them a lesson.
Amercia dropped the bomb to save hundreds of thousands of American lives, which would have been lost, in an invasion of the Japanese mainland. By the way the Japanese attacked America!!
Iraq - we went into Iraq to bring Democracy to the Middle East and to get rid of a maniac leader. These 'occupiers were prepared to dump one hundred billion dollars improving the Iraqi infrustructure, install a new government and then leave. It is the ignorance of the people which has kept us as "occupiers". Personally I say we severe ourselves from the region, eliminate our dependence on oil and let you all grow up into civilized human beings on your own.
The United States sacrificed many lives to rid itself of Hitler, it did not support him!! You mindless humam being! Let me tell you this; we will defend ourselves. We will hunt terorist down in every last corner of the earth until they grow up and learn to behave themselves. All I can see are hate filled racist maniacs who continue to kill innocent people in the name of God.
YES - WAKE UP - YOU ARE TERRORISTS - YOUR SO CALLED "RELIGIOUS LEADERS" DO LITTLE TO STOP YOUR TERROR; IN FACT THEY QUIETLY SUPPORT IT IN YOUR MOSQUES!!!!
WAKE UP AND LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR.....
to emeda
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:52.
it is only allowed for them to post links and make copy an d paste from their malicous writings but when a muslim does that they lose their mind .......what can we call this..
double standard measures.
total blindness of hear.
deep hetrede genes inherited thousands years a go from the days of crusades and dark ages.
they also donot find any logic to reply excepy two things:
1-saying nasty ,low standards words in whicg no muslim can exchange or use to reply.
2- play with words and comment on something else.
they are hopeless case
Select some readings
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:46.
If you give the link people can check for themselves what sort of stuff you are quoting. It's also polite to attribute other people's work.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1094855.php/E-mail...
Bob Doney
Terrorism IS Islam
Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:33.
That's the only way they know how to communicate because of their humiliation at being the bottom of the world's foodchain.
I think armyscout can say whatever the fuck armuscout wants to say.
Why do you just copy other peoples articles and post them?
Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:28.
this idiot emeda30 is obviously just copying some barely literate islamic website.
just use a link or something. If you just copy, then
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY!
Act not React
Submitted by jeadss on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:17.
Whatever might be the reasons to react againts a wrong behaviour, one should never give up the principles of ethic and common good sense. Doing arm to others is doing arm to ourselves.
http://www.searchincontext.com
Armyscout does not represent the best of the West
Submitted by Flemish American on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:07.
As frustrated and worried as I might be with the current situation, I feel that comments like those of armyscout are not very constructive.
I do find that, while politically correct, it is naïve to say that their is no link between terrorism and Islam. The last post on my own blog will confirm this is my conviction.
However, the comments of armyscout are purely confrontational and have no merit on the current discussion.
I trust the enlightened participants understand this and will ignore his ignorance.
Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;
the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;
and the wisdom to know the difference.
Last post to armyscout
Submitted by Flemish American on Tue, 2006-02-14 09:23.
Besides being rude, you obviously cannot read, either my posts or my blog.
I suggest going back to elementary school and learning to read again before you stick your foot in your mouth again with me. I don't really resent what you said as I consider you low-level trailor trash. However, it is dissappointing that you make public comments like that against my character without ever taking the time to see where I stand on the issues.
If you truly have had experiences of war, then you have my thanks for taking that road. However, I would like to recommend you go see the army shrinks because you are ill-prepared for re-entering mainstream society.
Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;
the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;
and the wisdom to know the difference.
To INAS - Seeing things the same
Submitted by Flemish American on Mon, 2006-02-13 12:47.
Quoted from a post of INAS:
"Maybe it’s hard for you to understand that in our miserable life you can find people that STILL BELIEVE in religion. I am just wondering why that is so difficult to be accepted. Why every single person of us should see the things as you do? "
You know, INAS, with that very comment you raise the very issue that has created the problem in the first place. Why SHOULD every person see the things as others do?
Although we would like you to understand that our belief in free speach might allow for some things to be created that offend others, we have to allow that you will never fully understand that perspective. Alternatively, your expectation that we will understand how a few cartoons could mobilize large groups of people to riot, destroy and even kill is totally uncomprehensible to us in the Western world.
We cannot be expected to fully understand each other. Too many perspectives are in play. The biggest difference is that we are not threatening you bodily harm for believing the way you do and you cannot claim that this the same coming the other way.
Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;
the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;
and the wisdom to know the difference.
Drivel
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 10:37.
When you copied and pasted this drivel from
http://www.mathaba.net/related.shtml?x=287367
you forgot the title, the author's name and the first paragraph:
Satire: Will the moderate Muslim please stand up
by Dr Sahib M Bleher, the characters in this story are entirely fictional and any resemblance with real persons is entirely accidental
Who do you think you are kidding?
Bob Doney
Really happened
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 11:23.
It not Just me telling this,that is what i am sure really happen doesn't mater who said that
Well, if this is "what really happen" it seems a bit queer that the author said he made it all up - in his head. That's what "fictional" means. He invented it. It's not true. It's a story, a fairy-tale. It didn't happen. It's not factual. He is not describing something real, only something he dreamt up.
Bob Doney
Criminals
Submitted by fmfalcao on Mon, 2006-02-13 07:41.
Countries all over the world have welcomed immigrants for many years. These countries do not expect these immigrants to loose thier identities, but to harmonize with thier "host" country. Being respectful of local culture, language and laws are just a few ways that an immigrant can show his/her appreciation. What I'm seeing, all over the world, is this outright disrespect - no - outright lawbreaking - all because a minority feels like they (thier religion, language, clothes, etc) have been made fun of. Instead of expressing thier anger or frustration at the situation, they burn, they kill, they destroy - they disrespect the country - the very people - that took them into thier homes. To me, if freedom of speech is allowed in Denmark, then [u]all[/u] should respect that freeedom - if you have a problem with the freedoms of Denmark - then bugger off an find a new home - one that will put up with your intolerant bullshit.
Relax,
FMF from Canada
Muslim Religion
Submitted by superior auto institute on Tue, 2006-02-14 08:41.
I am not well versed in the Muslim religion(s) but maybe someone can tell me why it is ok to harm other human beings for an opinion or at the very least, a comic strip.
Thank You...
Submitted by itsmetj on Mon, 2006-02-13 06:07.
To the Brussels Journal: Thank you for your candid posts.
Please tell all the people in Denmark "thank you" for being so courageous.
Hang in there guys.
later...
http://drawmohammed.com
Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 05:51.
Please send in your own Mohammed cartoons.
Let’s see who can hurt the Muslims feelings most.
I have PROOF that Osama bin Laden is 100% Scottish
Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-13 05:25.
and his real name is Macbinladen.
see here: www.scotroots.com
Muhammed the Cruel
Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 04:50.
"Allah's Apostle (Muhammed) said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.'"
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 4:52:73)
"Allah's Apostle (Muhammed) said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.'"
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)
"The Prophet (Muhammed) said: 'When the slave runs away from his master, his prayer is not accepted; he is an infidel.'"
(Hadith No. Muslim 32)
"The Prophet (Muhammed) said: 'Then go to the persons who do not join the congregational prayer and order their homes to be burnt...'"
(Hadith No. Muslim 234)
"Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle (Muhammed) said, 'The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.'"
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 9:83:17)
"The Prophet (Muhammad) said: 'Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child.' After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried."
(Hadith No. Muslim 682)
"Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought, so the Prophet (Muhammad) exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places. He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina."
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 5:59:362)
The malice of Islam
Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 01:53.
Pleace check out this site
http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/cat_photogallery.shtml
Inas and a 'miserable life'
Submitted by foreign devil on Mon, 2006-02-13 01:44.
With all due respect, did you ever stop to think that your religion is keeping you under the thumb of the men in your world (they have you doing what they want like a slave, all because Mohammed said it was okay) and that some of the misery is because you aren't allowed to do some things for yourself we do routinely. If you won't ask youself any questions, you cannot expect to get any answers.
Does freedom = hurt?
Submitted by inas on Mon, 2006-02-13 00:59.
defend the liberty of speech???
Dears, as you may imagine our life (talking about my people!) is so miserable and difficult, we have nothing related to a “LIFE”, the 24 hours of our miserable day passed so hardly. But if you think that what we suffer from bombs, hunger and fear is not enough and that we deserve more, you can ridicule our religion and everything related to it, its ok, its an ART for you or whatever called. Yes dears, you can consider us ignorant because we cannot understood the liberty of expression, as a matter of fact we don’t know anything about this expression, but I am sure that it does not mean to say or make something that will hurt the feeling of our wife, children, lover, neighbor, or even the feelings of the Muslim that lives in another continent…and relate this act to freedom.
If you like to listen to music so high that your neighbors can’t sleep, and if they call the police is that an act against your freedom?
Maybe it’s hard for you to understand that in our miserable life you can find people that STILL BELIEVE in religion. I am just wondering why that is so difficult to be accepted. Why every single person of us should see the things as you do?
Yes
Submitted by Rumagent on Tue, 2006-02-14 07:41.
Sometimes it hurts. When you go to the dentists it also hurts - but you go anyway.
When the people of a free country are being censored or feel compelled to censor themself a bit of discomfort must be accepted by the censoring part.
The fact is that muslim had intimitated much of the danish press and artist community. This had to be exposed and it was exposed - just as one expect in a democracy.
What happens now is that some of the muslims claims to be hurt and insists that *their* religious taboos must be respected by people who are not muslims - in essence demanding submission to islam. You are free to belive in whatever you want and im free not to. In essence some of the muslims wants special rights and they demand them at gunpoint.
If ever there was an occasion to fight, this is it. Every free and democratic individual must fight against this attack on democracy.
Protestors doing it in Fwance!
Submitted by foreign devil on Mon, 2006-02-13 00:47.
The boys at 'No Pasaran' made a movie of their own. They valiantly went to the protests in Paris yesterday and made one of their own. Just the two of them. They must have been crazy and got out alive but here's the face of the protest up close (they had a friend filming it):
http://www.dailymotion.com/search/islamistes/video/46200
Their blog is nopasaran.com and the first item tells the story of how they went to the protest and what happened. At least there weren't any HAMAS agents there (that they knew about anyway).
angels of harmony
Submitted by kofi Adu Jibraeel on Mon, 2006-02-13 00:29.
I am not a journalist and may not fully understand what falls outside professional judgment. One thing is certain to me both as a US citizen and a Moslem- the current outcry over the cartoons of the prophet only serves to reinforce the perception that it is not just terrorists (of any creed) that are under attack post 911 but the Islamic faith itself. How do you close ranks with the one billion Moslems of the world to seek out the dangerous elements in their mist (and there are dangerous elements in every faith and creed) if you attack them collectively? If the Prophet is a terrorist then his message and followers must also be same. Those who present the issues under the guise of free press are being disingenuous. Moslems of all persuasions will not protest a paper that satirizes any contemporary Moslem politician, personage or country.
In every society there are norms of decency that guide conduct in the public arena.
In the US the major news media will not show gratuitous images of naked children, battlefield images of our dead soldiers…
One could not go to a movie house and scream fire! under the guise of free speech nor could one claim (even falsely) to have and explosive devise in any public forum without being arrested.
Do we have less press freedom because of these restrictions? Islam forbids any images of the prophet period. Even if the images were complimentary and historically accurate, they would still be against the faith. When the images are negative, inaccurate and intentionally provocative at a time in history when politicians and opinion leaders in the West often link a legitimate fight against terror to Islam, nobody’s interest is well served by such myopic grab at the worst in us. No decent Moslem will tolerate the negative depiction of any prophet. Our respect for the one God who is the source of all revelations ensures that all holy men will be treated with reverence.