The morons had a petition about the cartoons but I can't find it, you should have seen the wording on it as if a crime had actually been committed.

The petition was located at this petition site, somewhere...

Thank you Peter for being a voice of reason in this discussion which seems to be headed up mostly by ignorant, narrow-minded people (on both sides) who have no empathy or tolerance for opposing views. The following is a quote from the philosopher Voltaire, which I think people need to think about:

"I disagree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it."

Everyone has the right to express their opinions, religious beliefs, etc. but no one has the right to insult or threaten those who do so. In my opinion, neither side was right. This debate was blown way out of proportion by both sides and it should have been handled diplomatically, rather than how it was (even if the extreme reactions were by a minority).

THIS IS A RESPONSE TO THE FOLLOWING:

Sura 9:11 or some Old Time Religion Reading for the Muslims!
Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-03-21 20:39.

For those muslims who continously speak oof how they will control and what they will do for the West! This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Perhaps the muslameen should read a bit of the Koran, Quaran, or the : qua'ran more and often. The following verse is from the qua'ran: Sura (9:11) -"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace. : (Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! The Gods Bless you all Amen !

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Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

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Unfortunately, it is ignorant people like you who take hadiths and verses of the Quran out of context (on purpose) because of personal prejudices against Islam. You posted the so-called translation of Surah(9:11). Well how about going here (http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/fearsome-eagle.html) and reading what this knowledgable person has to say about the exact same verse and other verses in the Quran. I am sure you wouldn't want to post these in your posts since they go against your personal prejudices against Islam. May God give knowledge to you and all ignorant poeple like you.

a person who published the images of Prophet Muhammed (s.a.w) should be dead..he make it sound the muslims are all bad, that all terriorist are mainly from muslim...in fact they not a muslim if they go round killing people cos Allah (swt) does not like that..and does not believe in suicide bombing either..i totally pity them! May they be punished in hell..for bad naming Islam!

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
For sure this crazy money will lead into civil war! Imagine the muslim world you are keeping talking about spend this money on defrosting the 51 states of the united states!! Not surprisingly, it will melt into thousand peices in 24 hours dot

Skim this article
http://www.answers.com/topic/muhammad?method=22

or even contact them
http://www.answers.com/main/contact_us.jsp

All you can think to do is:

Blow everyone up.

Now that takes some real intelligence, real brain power. Some real creativity and the ability to adapt, to actually think on your feet, doesn't it? But we all know the muslim is not exactly the "sharpest knife in the droor", don't we?

And... since this is the exact way you deal with each other, the exact way you treat your fellow muslims who don't happen to believe in exactly the same religious dogma you do:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/02/world/middleeast/02iraq.html

this seems to be the way you solve every problem, the way you have solved every problem you have had for the last 800 years.

But why should we expect anything but a grunt out of a pig?

yes, the evil Zionists are responsible for the miserable quality of your lives... you, the great and powerful muslim, can do nothing in the face of the world-wide zionist conspiracy, backed by The Great Satan...

So convenient, isn't it? All the responsibility for your lives taken off you and placed on these two countries.

The great and powerful muslim (so I hear), absolutely powerless over their own lives?
It can't be! Whipped into submission by the people of a state the size of a book of matches in the middle of a football pitch, compared to the surrounding islamic states! We must blow everything up! Yes! Kill everyone who does not agree with us! That is the muslim way!

Historical Zionist FAQs

http://www.palestineremembered.com/ZionistFAQ.html

Q&A ABOUT HISTORY
http://www.palestinehistory.com/faq.htm

At least there is one less worthless, mindless muslim coward bloodsucking off the civilised world...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/01/world/middleeast/01mideast.html

Well you’re right, a thank you note to the Muslim organisations seem to be in order:

Thank you so very much for choosing Denmark as your new country even though you knew that it is a non Islamic country and that you had no intention of integrating with the Danes, we’re delighted that you despite that have been able to assimilate so well to our democratic ways that you are using peaceful means to try and make us follow Islamic laws, and turn our country into an Islamic state where Muslims rule and we can be allowed to exist if we’re good dhimmis.

We love the fact that if a Muslim actually says “I want to be a part of the Danish democracy and I respect their way of life, I don’t like your totalitarian Islam” you make death threats against them and their families, you spit in their faces when you meet them on the streets and they are forbidden to come in any mosques.

Of course we especially enjoy the way you bring up your kids, sending them on re-educational trips to Islamic countries if you discover they want to live like normal Danish kids, severely beat and/or kill them if they do not marry your choice of Muslim partner for them, telling the boys that Danish girls are whores and OK for sex but they are not marriage material unless they are virgins and convert to Islam.

Etc… etc…

Thank you so very much for bringing the religion of peace and tolerance to our country.

Ooh wait I guess I’m shouting and insulting again, but the next step is using force to get rid of the invading Muslims in our country, but perhaps unfortunately I’m still a long way from that. I still hope they’ll leave peacefully.

To be frank, I don’t understand your problem. Here we have Muslims trying to get something done by legal means –pressing a lawsuit-. Not by terrorist actions.
You don’t agree with their demands. That’s OK, neither do I. But as a citizen of a western democracy I can only encourage people to use the appropriate channels of a free nation to get things done. And I have confidence in the wisdom of the legal power to interpret our laws in the right way, so that they can come to a just verdict. If that verdict isn’t in line with my sense of justice, there is still the political way, to try and change our laws. That’s the way a civilized democracy works. Shouting and insulting like you do is only contra productive. It won’t change the mind of any terrorist.

Final proof that Muslims are complete and utter idiots without any sense of reality and a complete blind spot regarding their so called Prophet,the Danish director of public prosecutions wouldn´t press criminal charges against Jyllands-Posten so now 27 Muslims groups and the Islamic Faith Community are filing a civil lawsuit against Jyllands-Posten for ” against better knowledge having published text and cartoons which are defamatory”.

According to the Muslims lawyer the cartoons make the Prophet look like a man of war and a criminal, and there is made a clear connection between the Prophet, war and terror!!!!!
Uhmmm where has these people been living, in today’s world almost every terrorist act is by someone fighting a jihad in the name of Allah and yet these people blame cartoons for Islam’s bad reputation and have they even read the Quran, had their treasured Prophet been alive today he would have been charged as a war criminal and a disgusting paedophile.

A piece of advice to all you unhappy Muslims, grow up and join the 21st century or even better get the f*** out of Western Europe, we’re sick and tired of having you trying to impose your dark aged beliefs on us.

You have nothing.

By turning inward at the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, away from the world of progress, education and science, toward the laughable gibberish of "Islam", you have nothing.

You do not have the capacity to defend yourselves from any western nation. Your military competence, even if you combined the armies of all Islamic countries, is a joke.

Even little Israel can kick your muslim asses all up and down the Middle East. The only reason The U.S.S.R was evicted from Afghanistan in 1980 was that the C.I.A. furnished your "mujahadeen" cowards with Stinger SAM's.

How else were you going to knock down a Soviet helicopter? Chase it on your camel and throw rocks at it?

Why are the leaders of these failed Islamic states the richest men in the world, while their people are the poorest and least educated on earth?

Why do the leaders of Islamic countries where people live in horrid squalor sail around the Mediterranean in million dollar yachts filled with champagne, and thousand pound a day blonde whores?

What happened to all that oil money... the trillions and trillions of dollars pouring into the pockets of these despotic clowns?

They must keep the people ignorant and obsessed with some superstitious ritual practice. That's what the death cult of Islam is about. Encumber them with endless, obsessive, infantile rules of conduct... insane questions that can only be answered by the insane imam, who is familiar with all the arcana of Islam.

Fearful of cutting your fingernails on the wrong day? Avoid transgressions against Allah... ask the insane imam! "Is this permitted oh learned one? Would it be sinful to cut my fingernails on this day?" Ask him. He'll have an intricate answer for this, backed by centuries of "rulings." Anything to keep the people from realizing their "leaders" have taken the profits the west has paid for a century of oil and kept it for themselves.

There is no "Islamophobia."

"Islamophobia" implies an irrational fear. There is nothing irrational about the steady chipping away of our rights in the interests of intolerant "cultures" or "religions" migrating from their failed, medieval societies, trying to impose their insanity on whatever country is unlucky enough to be their destination, as they crawl westward with their meager belongings on their backs. Especially a "religion" that has in its basic tenets the subjugation of all non-believers.

What kind of "religion" advocates the killing of unarmed civilians because they have different political or cultural beliefs from what is mandated in the intolerant dogma of Islam? What kind of "religion" reacts so violently to cartoon depictions of their disgusting "prophet", when the political cartoons in Islamic countries' newspapers constantly, routinely depict Christians and Jews as cannibals, rapists, and pedophiles?

Only the liars and cowards that make up the cult of "Islam."

The hypocrisy of "Islam" is hysterical.

"Islam" is not a religion. "Islam" is a melodramatic medieval death cult designed to take the minds of its miserable people off the horrible conditions in which they live, where they can't earn a living and can't get an education.

If not, why do run from your pathetic little countries by the millions and come to the west, muslim?

Muslims... the most uneducated, ignorant people in the world. The top Islamic university in the world, Al Azhar in Cairo, can't even make the top 40 schools in Africa.
http://www.webometrics.info/top100_continent.asp-cont=africa.htm

Come on, bee-atch.

Any street will do. Even those we allow to have mosques on them. Just say you are an angry muslim, looking for a fight with an infidel.

We are very accomodating in Brooklyn.

They really are. But they're formidable because they act like borgs, with no conscience. At least robots are programmed not to kill human. These zombies are programmed to kill infidels and Jews. The worst part is politicians and journalists have become so fearful of these killer zombies that truths about them are surpressed.

what makes the united states is that it represents the whole world. every race is in this country and the many cultures and beliefs. do muslims really think that th world will allow muslim control over their societies, i don't think so. definitely not the U.S. definitely and never the communist countries. CHINA will never allow it, they will invade and exterminate all muslims should they even attempt. the same with INDIA, russia and including the U.S.the u.s. maybe slow to react cause of the idiotic politicians, but awaken beware muslims. nazis and imperial japanese are millions of times superior in military and fighting and they were defeated. how much more would the middle east. muslims will try attempt to start warfare from within the streets of the u.s. but that's impossible, all they will do is cause the majority to lock them up in relocation camps better known as federal prison. has anyone read the islam for dummies...the muslim writers are as confused and propogandist as the religion.
what joke. i never read any religious book that is as confusing and ridiculous as the koran and any books trying to explain it. it utterly makes no sense. you have to be a total idiot or lacking brain cells to support such garbage. i think it would be wised after one does critical study of the koran to throw it in the toilet, fireplace or garbage dump after you attempt to read it. no wonder why those who believe it are derranged. the book itself is derranged. the writer of the books is derranged. their profitless prophet muhammed is derranged. all these scholars who interpret it and defend it is derranged and now wonder why muslims are so backward cause their brain is placed backward.
what brain? resident evil zombies have more brains than muslims. night of the living dead zombies have more brains than muslims, even michael jackson has more brains than muslims. i guess humanity has 1.2 billion zombies? makes a good horror movie but we can always turn it into a reality tv!

For those muslims who continously speak oof how they will control and what they will do for the West! This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Perhaps the muslameen should read a bit of the Koran, Quaran, or the : qua'ran more and often. The following verse is from the qua'ran: Sura (9:11) -"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace. : (Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! The Gods Bless you all Amen !

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Odin be Praised!  Baldur Save Us!

Some danes view - regarding an apology to muslims;
(source: http://www.danishmuhammedcartoons.com/Apology.html)

We´re sorry we gave you shelter when war drove you from your home country....

We´re sorry we took you in when others rejected you.....

We´re sorry we gave you the opportunity to get a good education.....

We´re sorry we gave you food and a home when you had non.....

We´re sorry we let you re-unite with your family when your homeland was no longer safe...

We´re sorry we never forced you to work while WE paid all your bills.....

We´re sorry we gave you almost FREE rent,phone,internet,car and school for your 10 kids...

We´re sorry we build you Moskes so you could worship your religion in our Christian land...

We´re sorry we never forced you to learn our language after staying 30 years

"Wonderful..Wonderful Copenhagen........
I sailed up the Skagerrak
And sailed down the Kattegat
Through the harbor and up to the quay
And there she stands waiting for me
With a welcome so warm and so gay
Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen!" 1

How could anyone abandon such a Denmark! How could anyone think it even.

quite simple to understand some are afraid because they
are still suckling at the oil pumps and fear being aggressively weaned away from them. Others, are terrified of their corporations embassies, their personnel being bombed,burned or destroyed. Still others seek what they truly believe will work a peaceful solution and do not wish to antagonise an insane society of fanatics. The problems is that you cannot appease a terroist or a religion that was based on insanity in the first place. We are about to step forward and make a mistake ala Neville Chamberlain, when we should be more like Winston Churchill, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin! The only way to protect the world is to destroy Islam and rid the universe of it forever. Otherwise while syncophanitic purveyors of
disinformation such as Onenoson, Emeda30 might win converts.

Then we are all at risk. There are a myriads of reasons why Demark is standing alone right now. Though I cannot believe that this will continue. These reason I have heretofore mentioned are reasons that should concern people.. BUT
SHOULD NOT STOP THE WORLD FROM COMING TO THE AID OF DENMARK! All my life I have delighted in Denmark as a child because they gave me Hans Christian Anderson and his beautiful stories. I can remember singing "Wonderful, Wonderful Copenhagen" as a small girl. The Round Tower that os attached to a protestant church and spires 8 stories high. To run childlike down it, as fast as one can,still can make me smile. The Tivoli with its amusement park, botanical gardens, and concert area. the nightsport that parents trundle you back to the babysitter so that they can enjoy. They make one smile also. The Nyhavn area that Hans Christian Anderson was from, the canal flanked by townhouses of the most vibrant and breathtakingly beautiful colours that one can only imagine. Not one , not two.. but three palaces inside the city. It reminds you of a fairy tale come to life. The people, those wonderful Danish people who laugh, and play with you, smiling and happy. I never grew up on the reservation, I was very fortunate. But I have had moments in America, and in Canada when I have shrunk back,feeling not wanted or unwelcome..and I was ..my people were there first. Not in Copenhagen, not in Denmark, did I ever feel such. It might exist ..of a certainty, but I never felt it."Den Lille Havfrue" lives there. I delight in Denmark now! Because surely she shows us what to do with regard to this threat! There is no way to let such a peaceful , idyllic scene of beauty, honor, and warmth be overrun and terrorized by cowardly people screaming religion at the top of their lungs. We need to write our newspapers diligently, call representatives of government, of congress and the senate if american, tell your neighbors, your friends, organize drives, bake sales, host debats, car washes..to raise money, to keep focus, to shout from the top of your roofs if necessary.. that people Must Stand Up for what is right. That they must stand up for Denmark. If we do not stand up for Denmark now.. Who will stand for us later! Organize make sure that your representatives, your
relatives, your governments stand beside Denmark. Organize so we do not loose Wonderful,
Wonderful Copenhagen and Denmark to muslim tyranny!

"Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
Friendly old girl of a town
'Neath her tavern light
On this merry night
Let us clink and drink one down
To wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
Salty old queen of the sea
Once I sailed away
But I'm home today
Singing Copenhagen, wonderful, wonderful
Copenhagen for me." 2

1,2 Frank Loesser

Odin be Praised! Baldur save Us!

I am reading all of these passages from those who are of islamic faith, they say islam says to be good to respect to do this to do that. It says all this, but I dont see anyone of the faith acting it out. I mean no one. Please someone show me a muslim organization that actually helps people, builds lives, instead of destroying them. Islam is a lie, or the followers are just monkeys. Maybe islam is a good religion, just the followers are some how genetically wacked, and can not act out such roles. People keep telling me its the minority population who feel this way. Prove it, all I see are fanatics----Down with Islam, may the next crusades happen soon, or maybe a decade of china rule, what ever the solution, the fact is, islam may be peaceful but muslims are not, so perhaps destroying the people instead of the religion is the better thing to do. I dont know, perhap a muslim can give me some info on areas in which muslims give back to the community, and help others. Would love to hear, I am open to be corrected.

from wikipedia again,

"There is no mention of Honor killing in the Quran or Hadiths. Honor killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against the woman, and is forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Religious authorities disagree with extra punishments such as honor killing and prohibit it, so the practice of it is a cultural issue. But since Islam has influence over vast Muslims, culturalist and murderers of females use Islam to justify honor killing even though there is no support for honor killing in Islam."

i've searched about the "honor killings" and i do repeat what i told,there is not such a thing.but also i know one other thing,if adultery is committed by a married man or woman,its punishment is death,but it needs 4 reliable witnesses.as you lived in an Islamic country i'm sure you didn't mean that punishment,but as for those honor killings as far as i know and according to what the religious authorities say,there is not such a thing in Islam.(according to what wikipedia says Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members who are perceived to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by her family for a variety of reasons including, refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has acted in a manner to bring "dishonor" to the family is sufficient to trigger an attack.)i only know its adultery part exists in Islamic rules but only when the man or woman is married.but the others may exist in conventions but Islam can not be responsible for that.

i wanted to be sure that i got you right because sometimes the names change from country to country and i wanted to be sure that you didn't mean the punishment of adultery because you said that they talked about a hadith.there are hadiths about adultery but not about honor killings. 

sorry for the misunderstanding of your religion.but you know what,i do not know any hadith about honor killings,and what you miss is that it may be a false hadith which is set up after the prophet.i think because of your marriage you have been in a country which doesn't show the peaceful side of Islam.but i've said enough i think.but about the Armenians,there is in fact no proof of that and we do know,as Turks,Armenians and Turks come along with each other quite well and we know that it is a provocation as well,but of course i can not make you believe that so it is not very reasonable to discuss that with you,because you know what you learn from your sources but the facts i believe is in here...and just one more thing i'd like to say,you talked about brainwashers,you know what,you(don't take it personally,i mean some of the West countries)are brainwashed as well...you are an exception maybe because of your bad experience,but when i read these comments i do understand it.some of them are even obsessed...but as i told before,the honor killings or such things are the applications of countries,and as you may guess ,to prove it is a right thing to do,they use religion...i told you that i am a Turk and a muslim,and have you heard something barbaric so far from me?have i shown any hatred?because i do not hate neither Armenians nor anyone who does believe in an other religion...you know what,there are a lot of people sharing my opinion.but what i may detest is the way some idiots talk in their comments...and i believe religion(whatever you call it)is not something people may make fun of.and about my name as the Lady of Shalott,i love that poem and i do use it,its Christianity is not important for me,and i do not have a problem with Christianity or the Arthurian legends,it is a very good work and i attended its courses in University and i had a final exam on it.there is a last thing i'd like to say to you,the prejudice people have,is also something i do not approve.so i hope people may be opened to the idea of my religion,and respect it.i think i deserve it as a human.

may the peace be with you

First I am not a christian, I am an Odinist.. so already you have it all wrong. I would not propose to proselytize in Turkey or any muslim country! Too many crazy people..Sunni, Shi'ia, Hanafi, Hanbli , Wahabis, Alawi, alewi, etc. No thanks! Fenris take me straight to the Goddess Hel if I ever thought such a thing * shudders violently* Secondly, was married to a muslim arab and spent more than enough time in the Middle East to know what is what. And if such things as you say "honor killings" are not Islam, then explain why the imams sanction them, nay many even applaud them citing hadith for it. Turkey is a bit more secular but then so is Lebanon, but I know Turks too that have had many problems. Cities are different than the countryside. As for the Turkish muslims love of Christians, please sell that delight notion to some of my friends..Mary Ohanian, Georgiou Khamadarian etc. There families had to flee Turkey when the "Young Turks" cam into power adn the Armenians once known as the"loyal millet" of Turkey had to flee for their lives. Oh I know it was an unfortunate incident! Right! curious though that you took the name of a tragic charcter in Arthurian literary circles, and a Christian at that!

May my gods send you on your way in peace!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

You only talked of something you really don’t know...there is not such thing in Islam as you called honor killings just because of a boy touches or be near a girl,why can’t you accept that they are the applications of some countries?It is not God’s will!!you wrote a lot and i cannot reply all,sorry for that,as a country (i live in Turkiye)we do fight against suicide bombings,and yeah i do save the people around me from all of that brainwash trickery,but you know what,people should be wiser about it and don’t sell their own religion and blood for nothing,in Turkiye we see most of the terrorists come from a poor situation and i believe if they be wiser they won’t choose such a disgraceful option.i curse them all.but what you don’t realize is that you talk of “some”people who claims to be muslims but in fact they don’t recognize their religion.you cannot blame all...because every nation or lets say every religion has some followers who are not the true believers of it,because of a few,you cannot hate all of them.ıt is not a lie as you say and i am not a liar,that is what i think,so be it,hate us all,but because of what crusades did i don’t hate Christians,or because of what christians do in Hitlers time,jews don’t hate christians...and i do condemn terrorism and whatever their beliefs are,i hope they all go to the deepest places in Hell because they are the causes of your thoughts.but why don’t you think about their sources?how do you think they find money?then cease their sources...you can be sure none of the true believers supports the terrorists...and i can not understand why you say “ stop converting the world”,nobody is trying to do it,don’t you Christians have missionary applications in Turkiye or in other Islamic countries?you show what you believe and muslims show what they believe,so what’s wrong with that?it is not one-sided as you think.the real Islam never forces.don’t judge religions because of what some fools do.if you don’t respect people,respect a religion,a belief,do not listen to our Prophet,nobody can force you of course but as i respect your religion,do respect mine,please.and one last thing,i’ve been in Arabia two times and what i saw is that girls do go to school and they become teachers,doctors and they do learn second languages...and in Türkiye also,very most of us,go to school and have a job as a woman...for example my mother is a doctor and i am a teacher.and our women go to male doctors and we don’t mind it as you think.but you know what,i can not defend what Islamic countries do all the time,but what i’d like you to understand is it is “NOT” religion,it is what people do,it is not Islam,please do not blame it.

as i said before,i talked about the "real" Islam,and yeah i condemn the people who claims to be a muslim but infact they are spitting on its idea...i hate them all and i'm trying to fight them also,but you cannot blame every muslim or most of them to be that kinda cruel.can we blame all jews to be guilty of killing the christians?or can we blame the christians for killing all the jews because of one false leader?we cannot be enemies since all of us are humans and if we talk about terrorism,can we be sure that they really do it on their own?then do we know their sources?how they find money?i'm telling it again,Islam hugs everybody.and in Islam,it is a very dreadful sin to kill a priest or a monk or people who does not do harm to the believers of Islam.It is a very dreadful sin to destroy churches or the places where people worship their own idols.but some of the muslims do not recognize or learn their own religion and they are provoked by some other forces who wants Islam to seem to be a terrorist religion.
i prove my real belief to you now,do not think that most of the muslims are cruel like that,i believe in God and because of that i can not defend any idea of terrorism,Islam condemns them all,if you like to learn more,you can just have a look at the Holy Kuran,you will see the terrorists are damned by God's own words,do not believe in what some forces say or do about it,a true believer can learn from God's own words not from some other people...and when they do that,when they kill or harm people who are not muslims,they believe that they would go to Heaven,they believe so,but is it true?of course not!they are the people who are betrayed by their leaders...i believe and wish the terrorists will go straight to hell,because they don't use their minds which is a real gift to all humans and they use the name of Islam to cover up their ugliness.and you know what,i don't call them muslims...because they are NOT.they can NOT be...we should create a new word for them...i hope my answer is satisfying enough,thank you.

You are so far off the mark on many things, One who has no son and probably never will. As for the Germany Fellowship, they are nice people and after WWII bend over backwards to be nice to everyone. Lest cretins like you run up and down the street yelling NAZI at the top of their lungs wildy gesticulating. Well ,actually One who will never have a son, according the census figures of the German Government.
The population is 82,500,000 million strong. 34% are Protestant, that comes to 28,050,000 million people. 34% are Roman Catholic, that comes to 28,050,000 million people. 3.7% are muslims that comes to 3,052,500 million people. (you are off a few hundred thousand there...no problem). 28.3% of the people are "UNAFFILIATED OR OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS" which means there are 23,347,500 million of the people, that are Hindu, Bhuddist, Jain, Zoroastrian, Norse religionist, Agnostics, Atheists etc.
Of that 82,500,000 million people 91.5 % of the population is German, comes to 75,497,500 million people. 6.1% of the population is comprised largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish, a few Chinese, some Japanese, some few Tibetans and Nepalese, which makes 3,950,000 million people which added to the previous population count accounts for 79,447,500 million people. Which leaves us with a grand total of 3,052,000 million muslims for the population ( 1,980,000 - almost 2 million alone come from Turkey)comprising 2.4% of the 3.7% of the population of the muslims, being Turkish, Which leaves the remaining 1.3% of the muslim population coming from various islamic countires around the world and what miniscule amount of germans, etc. you could bullshit into becoming muslims. Well there you have it. That fastest growing religion being imported mostly from their own homelands. The Internet portal Qantara.de promotes dialogue with the Islamic world. The project is funded by the German Foreign Office. Good relations are promoted all around because after all there are all those disenfranchised muslims doing day laborer and other really crappy jobs, in Germany today. Guest workers if I remember correctly is what many of them are called. Yes, there are many muslims that come from decent families there, opening restaurants and shops living peacefully. Policemen, doktors, accountants. Good people. One of the men who was on the planes that crashed into the World Trade center in New York, had been a student in Germany, his brother and uncle owning a restuarant and shop, he left a wife in a hospital all so he could get to his 72 virgins. He had a very pretty wife, whom he lied to. Relatives he lied to. Muslims are such liars. The German government promotes such events to ease tensions. If you think you will make vast inroads into the German population converting and becoming muslims in droves then you have about as much chance of getting elected President of the United States, One who will never have a son. That is so not going to happen. They are being polite you dim bulb. When Israeli officials show up for important meetings, they are very polite with them also. They cooperate and share information etc. German officials have attended sensitivity training sessions before. There is about as much chance that they will convert to judaism as there is to islam. They are trying to explain to the people why some of you look so strange and freaky walking around all smothered up from head to toe. German women are way too fashionable to go out looking like that. And in the land of weiner scniztel, good german beer, bratwurst, knockwurst, westphalian ham, liebfraumilch and rhone, much less the delightful mai wein. They are going to give that up for your religion..Ohhhh! Get a life! So not happening. Now they will read the pamphlets and listen and ask some questions. They will nod their heads and talk of unity, brotherhood yadada yada yakety smakety blah blah blah. Burgermeisters are great at speeches! Very uplifting! Some make look closer at the booklets. But the majority will toss it in the trash cans before they leave. Germans can be very neat you see. Some will toss them in the trash cans at home, some will toss them in the glove compartments and then toss them out after they clean out their automobile. Some will use them to help light the fires in the fireplaces, good paper always a help to burn, a good fire. I never throw away anything that can burn nicely in my fireplace. So cozy a good fire in the fireplace. Sitting there enjoyin anice glass of cognac or schnapps before the fire!. Some will write papers for school, after submitting them and the report toss them in the trash. After is all over and done with. Oh ja, you will make loads of converts there by god! SNAP OUT OF IT! Delusional damned muslim!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Loki and Fenris he is yours!

You didn't write this. Just give the link.

Later: so was this ....

Bob Doney

Just give us the link. Don't make out you've written any of this. You're cluttering up the site.

Later: this was a reply to a post which has since been removed.

Bob Doney

I don't have to agree with Muslims. They don't have to agree with me. Period.

But is it too much to ask that shouting will never help a discussion? Both sides here on these boards are not behaving... Errr... in a respectful way. This said: you xtreme jihadist better put aq fatwah on the Danish Imams. Think the Danes and the rest of normal thinking Eurolanders will be glad to hand him/them over to you.

Inch Allah... BTW, the Japanese have GREAT swords for beheading them. Piece of cake. better than Gilette.[PBUG].

The word is "bible" you ignorant piece of excrement! Muhammed is not in the Bible. The Jews are looking for the Massiach or Messiah to come! Christians received their Messiah. Guess you are all stuck with Muhammed! No where in the "Bible" have I seen Muhammed. Maybe it is in your bibal. No matter, you are a Mohammedan, guess that makes you the equivalent of an islamic version of the "Cult of Personality!"

do not loose that little green book!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

The real Islam hugs everybody? What do you call the branch of Islam that hugs innocents to get them close and blow thir innards out of their bones in an explosion. If you're a true Muslim, condemn these people, and tell them there will be no 72 Virgins for them. Until I hear you say that, all you're doing is pandering to both sides. You prove to me the extremists have the real power through your words.

about the cartoons of Mohammad the Prophet:why don't you people have some respect?lets respect "faith" for God's sake,lets respect religions of others...i really believe that this is a game to provoke the muslims and raise a hatred...i am a muslim but not a terrorist,for you think that most of the muslims are so.i respect all of the religions and also atheism or such things,and i respect people who respects my religion...i'm telling to these cartoonists,be full of peace and love,not full of hatred against muslims,because contrary to what you think,the real Islam hugs everybody...don't play games and lets live in peace forever,why is for all that hate?what will you earn?the prophet Mohammad is soo far away from what you draw,and also Jesus and the other Prophets are so far away from your drawings,lets not make fun of them,it is a very big insult.

Why is Jack Straw so concerned about protecting the "feelings" of fanatic Muslims instead of defending the freedoms that the British Government among other things sent troops to Iraq to defend?

I'll offer you two reasons, but there are others:

First, 3000 British soldiers are about to go to Afghanistan to try to counter the Taliban. Straw, along with the rest of the Labour government, is terrified that many are going to be killed. If they are, and nothing is achieved, it may bring the government down.

Second, he has a large number of Muslims in his constituency, and there is a lot of tension there in Blackburn. The "Muslim vote" will decide whether he keeps his seat in Parliament at the next election.

Bob Doney

Who says that Muslims cannot convert to another religion or become Atheist. I know a few people who have and I curse them for there is noone worse then them in the world....

THAT is called respect. You know nothing of respect. Islam teaches respect of others, non-Muslims and Muslims.

Do you not see, Imran, how inconsistent these two remarks are? You claim to respect others, but then you curse them! What a muddle!!

Bob Doney

One more thing.  Christians say that no where in the Bibal does it mention Muhammed so we do not believe in him as a Prophet.  That is just your Ignorance.  It is mentioned that there will be another final messenger after Jesus and he will be known as the Trustworthy.  And apparently if you define Muhammed from the Arabic name. It means TRUSTWORTHY.  Also before he recieved his Prophethood at the age of 40 he was known as the Trustworthy One amongst his people.  This is even before he even knew about Islam.  But he always believed in the One God.  And hated Idolatry.  Which is why he does not want people to portray images of him.

Who says that Muslims cannot convert to another religion or become Atheist.  I know a few people who have and I curse them for there is noone worse then them in the world.  As for you talking about Kingdom of Heaven. I loved the movie because it showed the truth.  How the Muslims do care for the others in the world.  And how the Muslims do respect other religions.  And the most touching part and I give respect to the Director and the Script Writers of the movie is when in the end Sallahudin was walking through the church he picked up the Cross and placed it back in its place.  THAT is called respect.  You know nothing of respect.  Islam teaches respect of others, non-Muslims and Muslims.  If the ignorant Muslims do not wish to apply to this. Do not blame the Muslims.  Blame the people who do it.  And I certainly do not and have never supported Terrorism and neither did the Final Messenger of Allah, Muhammed (P.B.U.H).

"By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god." Quote from Kingdom of Heaven

I could go on and critisize majority of the comments from Muslims defending their view and criticism of the cartoon and all the bs but what is the use when we all behave like some uncivlised idiots. We all have our fair share of being a hyprocrite.

Yes we all are just as bad amd some even worst. Many Christians and Muslims could lead the game (and please don't all you Christians and Muslim start attacking my comment. I said many, not all). They would walk around having their own interpretation of the Bible or Quran into some of the most uglist things I have ever heard, the most stupid act from war, killing of innocents, and one of the most unacceptable one oppression of womyn. Just a reminder towards Christians not to forget about what happenned during the crusades. It is just absurd.

There was a comment from someone who said that the "lies" about his prophet and because others are afraid of the "competition".... What freaking competition? As I recall, those born a Muslim are pretty much f***k since you cannot choose to convert to another religion. It is not a choice for them and I dare say a handful that I came across who aren't very happy with their "choice" either.

So again, simple and short keep this quote in mind

"By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god...."

Smash the Man (http://www.smashtheman.com) has an article posted about the whole crazy saga along with clear images of the cartoons and extensive commentary on why they caused all this commotion.

I will try to keep warm, I have promised to hold the Hammer and Shield for my beloved. so ..so I guess I had better bring in more wood. hehehe!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

I was not joking and Xenia is not in the Norse Pantheon. The Old Norse religion is legal in most Nordic countries thouhg in Denmark it has not come back fully from what I have heard. But we are not a johnny come lately group. Gaius Cornelius Tacitus of the Roman Empire knew of my faith even then in year 69. And it dates back much farther than that.

I respect Hindu, Shintoists, Confucianist, Animists, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Shamanists and many other..but only if they respect me and my religion.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Blessings to you too my Asgardian friend.

Keep Warm! Looks like Winter has returned to us in the Northern Plains.

With all your curses you forgot Xena the Warrior.

:-)

Oh Did you hear.. the USA just added three more muslim countries to the list of those who having young males between the ages of 16 and 70.. who must register with Homeland Security! Wonder if they are going to start returning people? Now that is not a joke!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

I saw it was good you really made me laugh! For that alone I will ask a blessing for you at the Kindred's Blot next weekend! That was fantastic!
Freya bless you forever!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

You are really terrible! Hahahaha! You make me laugh so hard! Honestly, you should be ashamed! That was incredibly funny! Thank You!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!